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    But it is important to know
    Maybe he choose the sponge color with the opppenent ?
    against wang hao - orange sponge
    against timo - orange sponge
    against zhang - blue sponge

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    Is there any point in arguing which color he uses, if atm we don't know what each color means, and how it affects his game?
    Its ok, im wrong ha just check a month ago on this youtube video... look here

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    Thought I would post this just for info for anyone who wanted to know.

    Both the sponge AND the topsheet determine the amount of spin generated by a particular stroke. "Mechanical spin" means that the ball gets its spin from the underlying sponge and not so much from contact with the topsheet. This is typical of the European style rubbers. Surface spin means it gets it's spin from the tacky surface of the topsheet. This is typical of the Chinese style rubbers.
    Sponges:
    Sponges come in a variety of colours, thicknesses and characteristics. The sponge colour is not really important. The thickness is something you can choose when you purchase a particular type of rubber, although sometimes there is only one choice. The only parameter of the characteristics of the sponge used is the 'sponge hardness level’, normally expresses in degrees. These hardness levels usually range from about 30 to 50, with 50 begin the hardest. In general harder sponges are better for hitting and give a little more control. Soft sponges are better for looping and producing high speed with little effort, can produce more spin, but have less control. They are also harder to hit/smash with. This is a general guide only, since in the end the amount of spin or speed you produce depend mostly on the style of game that you play.

    The choice of blade will also affect how much spin or speed you produce. In general the rubbers with softer sponges are used with ‘hard’ blades, such as the carbon/glass fiber ones, whereas the rubbers with the hard sponges are used with the ‘softer’ wooden blades. The rubber ratings of Speed, Spin and Control below, refer to the combination of both the rubber and sponge. Note that you can't really compare the rubber ratings of 2 rubbers of different manufacturers, since most manufacturers use their own ratings system. Note also that some manufacturers have changed their own ratings system in recent years, resulting in some of their old rubber being rated out, say 10, and newer rubbers rated out of 100!
    Speed:
    The numerical speed rating shown is an important guideline but is subjective because of the vast diversity of shots played and the variability of each player’s style. They have to be considered as subjective and variable because many players could effectively produce different playing characteristics from exactly the same rubber. It is there to assist you when selecting rubber. A rubbers final ‘speed’ performance will be determined by the player’s ability, sponge thickness and the blade choice.

    Spin:
    The foremost effective ‘weapon’ in table tennis. Reverse rubber types generate the maximum levels of topspin, backspin and sidespin. Rubbers with softer sponges will assist in the generation of spin while providing more feel and control. The spin rating given is also a ‘variable’ guideline and is subjective due to the wide-ranging abilities of players. The final ‘spin’ performance of rubber will be determined by the player’s technique, sponge thickness and the blade choice.
    Control:
    These ratings are again subjective and variable. A number of different factors such as rubber type, sponge thickness and blade used make a rubbers control factors difficult to precisely determine. Control is also related to a player’s experience, an aspect that can be improved and developed by practice.

    Sponge Thickness:
    This will alter the speed, spin and control ability of each rubber sheet. It is important to read the overall rubber description to understand its capabilities. In general, thicker sponges give more speed and spin, but less control.

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    The category below is in athabeticle order from the surname of each player.

    MEN:

    Boll, Timo (GER)
    Timo Boll ALC
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Carneros, Alfredo (ESP)
    Acoustic
    Tenergy 05
    Nianmor

    Chen Qi (CHN)
    Michael Maze Off
    Hurricane III Neo Blue Sponge
    Unknown Tenergy

    Chih-Yuan, Chuang (TPE)
    BTY Custom blade
    Tenergy of some sort
    Tenergy 64

    Duran, Marc (ESP)
    Korbel SK7
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Hao Shuai (CHN)
    Viscaria Light
    H3 Neo Orange Sponge
    Bryce Speed

    Hoyama, Hugo (BRA)
    Hasha Special (JPEN)
    Pryde

    Kreanga, Kalinikos (GRE)
    Primorac Carbon with K.Kreanga off handle
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Legout, Christophe (FRA)
    Timo Boll Spirit (with Legout handle)
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Ma Long (CHN)
    Timo Boll Spirit
    H3 Neo
    Tenergy 64

    Ma Lin (CHN)
    Ma Lin Extra Offensive
    Skyline II Blue sponge
    Bryce Speed

    Machado, Carlos (ESP)
    Mazunov
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Matsumoto, Cazuo (BRA)
    Hasha Special (JPEN)
    Tenergy 05

    Maze, Michael (DEN)
    Timo Boll Spirit
    Bryce Speed
    Bryce Speed

    Mizutani, Jun (JPN)
    Jun Mizutani ZLC
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Monteiro, Joao (POR)
    Michael Maze Off
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Monteiro, Thiago (BRA)
    Hinotec OFF
    Pilot Advance
    Pilot Advance

    Oh San Eun (KOR)
    Oh Sang Eun
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Ovtcharov, Dimitrij (GER)
    Waldner Senso Carbon
    Tenergy of some sort
    Donic rubber of some sort

    Panatagonis, Gionis (GRE)
    Petr Korbel Off
    Tenergy 05
    Feint Long II

    Persson, Jörgen (SWE)
    Old Persson Powerplay
    ?
    ?

    Samsonov, Vladimir (BLR)
    Stratus Carbon
    Something with purple sponge
    Something with purple sponge

    Schlager, Werner (AUT)
    Primorac Carbon with Schlager carbon handle (91 g)
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Smirnov, Alexei (RUS)
    Photino?
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Steger, Bastian (GER)
    Korbel SK7
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Süss, Christian (GER)
    Clipperlike blade with Andro handles
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Tsuboi, Gustavo (BRA)
    SK7
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Wang Hao (CHN)
    Hurricane Hao
    Skyline III Blue Sponge
    Sriver topsheet with some sort of white sponge

    Wang Liqin (CHN)
    TBS
    Hurricane II Neo Blue Sponge
    Hammond Pro Beta

    Waldner, Jan-Ove (SWE)
    Waldner Senso Carbon
    JO Gold
    JO Platin

    Zhang Jike (CHN)
    Viscaria FL
    H3 Neo Blue Sponge
    Tenergy 64

    Xu Xin (CHN)
    Rosewood
    Hurricane III Neo Orange Sponge
    Tenergy of some sort
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    WOMEN:

    Boros, Tamara (HRV)
    Korbel SK7 (FL)
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Dodean, Daniela (ROU)
    Primorac Carbon (FL)
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Gao Jun (USA)
    Matsush*ta Pro CS
    Butterfly Challenger Attack

    Liu Shiwen (CHN)
    Korbel (FL)
    H3 Neo Blue Sponge
    Tenergy 64

    Pavlovich, Viktoria (BLR)
    Defence Alpha
    Tenergy 05 1,7 mm
    Feint Long III

    Stefanova, Nikoleta (ITA)
    Korbel SK7 (FL)
    Tenergy 05 2,1 mm
    Tenergy 05 2,1 mm

    Tie Yana (HKG)
    Special Made
    Tenergy 05 2,1 mm
    Tenergy 05 2,1 mm

    Toth, Krisztina (HUN)
    Tenergy 64 2,1 mm
    Tenergy 64 2,1 mm


    Hi Dan!

    Here's something to get you started.

    I have no idea what's correct and not for the women, and some of the men might not be up to date either.

    -Schlager

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlager
    MEN:


    Boll, Timo (GER)
    Timo Boll ALC
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Carneros, Alfredo (ESP)
    Acoustic
    Tenergy 05
    Nianmor

    Chen Qi (CHN)
    Michael Maze Off
    Hurricane III Neo Blue Sponge
    Unknown Tenergy

    Chih-Yuan, Chuang (TPE)
    BTY Custom blade
    Tenergy of some sort
    Tenergy 64

    Duran, Marc (ESP)
    Korbel SK7
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Hao Shuai (CHN)
    Viscaria Light
    H3 Neo Orange Sponge
    Bryce Speed

    Hoyama, Hugo (BRA)
    Hasha Special (JPEN)
    Pryde

    Kreanga, Kalinikos (GRE)
    Primorac Carbon with K.Kreanga off handle
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Legout, Christophe (FRA)
    Timo Boll Spirit (with Legout handle)
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Ma Long (CHN)
    Timo Boll Spirit
    H3 Neo
    Tenergy 64

    Ma Lin (CHN)
    Ma Lin Extra Offensive
    Skyline II Blue sponge
    Bryce Speed

    Machado, Carlos (ESP)
    Mazunov
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Matsumoto, Cazuo (BRA)
    Hasha Special (JPEN)
    Tenergy 05

    Maze, Michael (DEN)
    Timo Boll Spirit
    Bryce Speed
    Bryce Speed

    Mizutani, Jun (JPN)
    Jun Mizutani ZLC
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Monteiro, Joao (POR)
    Michael Maze Off
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Monteiro, Thiago (BRA)
    Hinotec OFF
    Pilot Advance
    Pilot Advance

    Oh San Eun (KOR)
    Oh Sang Eun
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Ovtcharov, Dimitrij (GER)
    Waldner Senso Carbon
    Tenergy of some sort
    Donic rubber of some sort

    Panatagonis, Gionis (GRE)
    Petr Korbel Off
    Tenergy 05
    Feint Long II

    Persson, Jörgen (SWE)
    Old Persson Powerplay
    ?
    ?

    Samsonov, Vladimir (BLR)
    Stratus Carbon
    Something with purple sponge
    Something with purple sponge

    Schlager, Werner (AUT)
    Primorac Carbon with Schlager carbon handle (91 g)
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Smirnov, Alexei (RUS)
    Photino?
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Steger, Bastian (GER)
    Korbel SK7
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Süss, Christian (GER)
    Clipperlike blade with Andro handles
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Tsuboi, Gustavo (BRA)
    SK7
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Wang Hao (CHN)
    Hurricane Hao
    Skyline III Blue Sponge
    Sriver topsheet with some sort of white sponge

    Wang Liqin (CHN)
    TBS
    Hurricane II Neo Blue Sponge
    Hammond Pro Beta

    Waldner, Jan-Ove (SWE)
    Waldner Senso Carbon
    JO Gold
    JO Platin

    Zhang Jike (CHN)
    Viscaria FL
    H3 Neo Blue Sponge
    Tenergy 64

    Xu Xin (CHN)
    Rosewood
    Hurricane III Neo Orange Sponge
    Tenergy of some sort
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    WOMEN:

    Boros, Tamara (HRV)
    Korbel SK7 (FL)
    Tenergy 05
    Tenergy 05

    Dodean, Daniela (ROU)
    Primorac Carbon (FL)
    Tenergy 64
    Tenergy 64

    Gao Jun (USA)
    Matsush*ta Pro CS
    Butterfly Challenger Attack

    Liu Shiwen (CHN)
    Korbel (FL)
    H3 Neo Blue Sponge
    Tenergy 64

    Pavlovich, Viktoria (BLR)
    Defence Alpha
    Tenergy 05 1,7 mm
    Feint Long III

    Stefanova, Nikoleta (ITA)
    Korbel SK7 (FL)
    Tenergy 05 2,1 mm
    Tenergy 05 2,1 mm

    Tie Yana (HKG)
    Special Made
    Tenergy 05 2,1 mm
    Tenergy 05 2,1 mm

    Toth, Krisztina (HUN)
    Tenergy 64 2,1 mm
    Tenergy 64 2,1 mm


    Hi Dan!

    Here's something to get you started.

    I have no idea what's correct and not for the women, and some of the men might not be up to date either.

    -Schlager
    Thanks so much! your the man dude! I hope you can bring a lot of input to this forum.. speak soon!

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    np.

    I'll try to check in from time to time, but right now my studies are taking most of my time..

    Btw: The picture you have under Ma Long, is of Wang Liqin's TBS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlager
    np.

    I'll try to check in from time to time, but right now my studies are taking most of my time..

    Btw: The picture you have under Ma Long, is of Wang Liqin's TBS!
    OOOO thats why its blue sponge!! that confused me so much lol! Ok m8 well see you around

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    dan how could you have left such pro's as lloyd 'the great wall' gregory and tom 'meerkat' maynard without having their equipment and discussed with the world??!!! people all over brislington and caversham are itching to know the secrets of their powerful 'weapons' of mass winners!! i DEMAND answers!!!1 :P x

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    Quote Originally Posted by mullywully
    dan how could you have left such pro's as lloyd 'the great wall' gregory and tom 'meerkat' maynard without having their equipment and discussed with the world??!!! people all over brislington and caversham are itching to know the secrets of their powerful 'weapons' of mass winners!! i DEMAND answers!!!1 :P x
    HHAHA ok ill reveal the secrets for the Andy 'Backhand Destroyer of Multi Ball with the biggest grin ever' Mully...

    Tom Maynard
    Stiga Hybrid
    Fh: Tenergy 05
    BH: Tenergy 05

    Lloyd Gregory
    Timo Boll Spirit
    FH: Tenergy 05
    BH: Tenergy 05

    Andy Smith
    Blade: What ever he can get his hands on
    Fh: Probably Toms old ones or some cheeky sheets of some joola rubber!
    BH: Anything, his technique is sheer class!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    HHAHA ok ill reveal the secrets for the Andy 'Backhand Destroyer of Multi Ball with the biggest grin ever' Mully...

    Tom Maynard
    Stiga Hybrid
    Fh: Tenergy 05
    BH: Tenergy 05

    Lloyd Gregory
    Timo Boll Spirit
    FH: Tenergy 05
    BH: Tenergy 05

    Andy Smith
    Blade: What ever he can get his hands on
    Fh: Probably Toms old ones or some cheeky sheets of some joola rubber!
    BH: Anything, his technique is sheer class!
    haha mate rumour has it, that ive been texting ma long and giving him some advice on how to sharpen up his backhand punch....he came to the right man....ive got another one to add

    Kevin Satchell:

    Blade: 'Excalibur' (forged in the fires of mount doom)
    FH : yasaka Mark 5 still glued up from 1980 (it was that good)
    BH : brand Spanking new Tenergy 05 (just for the crack)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    HHAHA ok ill reveal the secrets for the Andy 'Backhand Destroyer of Multi Ball with the biggest grin ever' Mully...

    Tom Maynard
    Stiga Hybrid
    Fh: Tenergy 05
    BH: Tenergy 05

    Lloyd Gregory
    Timo Boll Spirit
    FH: Tenergy 05
    BH: Tenergy 05

    Andy Smith
    Blade: What ever he can get his hands on
    Fh: Probably Toms old ones or some cheeky sheets of some joola rubber!
    BH: Anything, his technique is sheer class!
    Thats very accurate

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    i cant believe tom maynard has not been giving extensive coverage on table tennis daily, its outrageous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mullywully
    i cant believe tom maynard has not been giving extensive coverage on table tennis daily, its outrageous!
    Haha I know,,, if you horses recorded your matches then there may be some matches up on TTD for the world to see!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scylla24
    Thought I would post this just for info for anyone who wanted to know.

    Both the sponge AND the topsheet determine the amount of spin generated by a particular stroke. "Mechanical spin" means that the ball gets its spin from the underlying sponge and not so much from contact with the topsheet. This is typical of the European style rubbers. Surface spin means it gets it's spin from the tacky surface of the topsheet. This is typical of the Chinese style rubbers.
    Sponges:
    Sponges come in a variety of colours, thicknesses and characteristics. The sponge colour is not really important. The thickness is something you can choose when you purchase a particular type of rubber, although sometimes there is only one choice. The only parameter of the characteristics of the sponge used is the 'sponge hardness level’, normally expresses in degrees. These hardness levels usually range from about 30 to 50, with 50 begin the hardest. In general harder sponges are better for hitting and give a little more control. Soft sponges are better for looping and producing high speed with little effort, can produce more spin, but have less control. They are also harder to hit/smash with. This is a general guide only, since in the end the amount of spin or speed you produce depend mostly on the style of game that you play.

    The choice of blade will also affect how much spin or speed you produce. In general the rubbers with softer sponges are used with ‘hard’ blades, such as the carbon/glass fiber ones, whereas the rubbers with the hard sponges are used with the ‘softer’ wooden blades. The rubber ratings of Speed, Spin and Control below, refer to the combination of both the rubber and sponge. Note that you can't really compare the rubber ratings of 2 rubbers of different manufacturers, since most manufacturers use their own ratings system. Note also that some manufacturers have changed their own ratings system in recent years, resulting in some of their old rubber being rated out, say 10, and newer rubbers rated out of 100!
    Speed:
    The numerical speed rating shown is an important guideline but is subjective because of the vast diversity of shots played and the variability of each player’s style. They have to be considered as subjective and variable because many players could effectively produce different playing characteristics from exactly the same rubber. It is there to assist you when selecting rubber. A rubbers final ‘speed’ performance will be determined by the player’s ability, sponge thickness and the blade choice.

    Spin:
    The foremost effective ‘weapon’ in table tennis. Reverse rubber types generate the maximum levels of topspin, backspin and sidespin. Rubbers with softer sponges will assist in the generation of spin while providing more feel and control. The spin rating given is also a ‘variable’ guideline and is subjective due to the wide-ranging abilities of players. The final ‘spin’ performance of rubber will be determined by the player’s technique, sponge thickness and the blade choice.
    Control:
    These ratings are again subjective and variable. A number of different factors such as rubber type, sponge thickness and blade used make a rubbers control factors difficult to precisely determine. Control is also related to a player’s experience, an aspect that can be improved and developed by practice.

    Sponge Thickness:
    This will alter the speed, spin and control ability of each rubber sheet. It is important to read the overall rubber description to understand its capabilities. In general, thicker sponges give more speed and spin, but less control.
    Dude, this is incrediable! I think you summed it all up in one! Thanks!, and yeh hardness of sponge is what the players look for and what they prefer best..

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    Yeah it was just something I found with a google search, pretty decent quick overview

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    thanks!!!, always wanted to know the blade of my favorite player.

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    I have a friend who use timo boll spirit blade with stiga boost to and 729 friendship rubber, i am using the same rubber but low quality blade and there is much difference between two rackets, it's just because of blade and blade has its own importance...i think so
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    How Do you post a thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    Not sure, im going to watch ma long on some youtube latest videos and see what hes using

    Anyways check out thse cool pictures of Zhang Jike!

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    Haha looks just like my new bat! :P

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