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    Xiom Omega V Tour is really nice, but not as bouncy as Tenergy 05.

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    At the not so pro level, Xiom Vega Europe is a good BH alternative to T05. And more friendly to the pocket too.

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    #443

    What is the best alternative for Tenergy 05?

    Did anyone mention Nittaku FastArc G1 yet?

    I think the spin is similar but it’s a little less bouncy. Also, I think the feel is a bit more muted until you start counter looping with it.

    I’ve ended up with T64 on my BH instead and I’m not going back to anything else!


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    I know a 2600 player that uses Rozena over Tenergy for cost savings.

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    #445
    Now in 2021, what comes close to 05?

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    More practice.

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    I don't feel like the new rubbers that are coming out are trying to be similar to tenergy 05 anymore, like they were before. So I wouldn't look at the new stuff being released. Personally if I wanted a T05 rubber I would go for Nittaku G1 fastarc

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    There is no alternative to Tenergy 05. Stop asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brs
    More practice.

    kind of true


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    Quote Originally Posted by Baal
    There is no alternative to Tenergy 05. Stop asking.
    In all the years of trying, noone developed a rubber that felt like t05.
    You might argue that new ESN rubbers for a while have out-performed t05 in some respects, but still the feeling remained unique.

    The new Evolution MX-D puts an end to that.

    I never understood why MX-P was heralded as an alternative. Nice enough, powerful, surely one you could play with if you were willing to sacrifice the unique feeling in order to save money.
    Vega Pro/Fastarc (same generation ESN) share some characteristics (not too bouncy), but you don´t see them where the sport gets serious.
    Likewise, all the new ultramaxx/maxxx/max+ stuff is in a category of its own.

    Again, for me it is not about whether some rubber offers 5 % more spin or 5 % more speed: Nothing ever felt like t05 during ball contact, some unique feeling that is hard to describe, but gives you confidence about your shot accuracy.

    And Evolution MX-D has just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baal
    There is no alternative to Tenergy 05. Stop asking.
    I am always entertained by how frequently this old old old thread gets woken up and people jump in as though it is not over 10 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeio
    The OP was last active 2 weeks ago. I wonder what adjective he'd use now to describe the price. His use of astronomical is really fitting here, seeing the universe is still expanding at an increasing speed. Butterfly is merely taking a page from nature. So deep.
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    #453
    This thread is so stupid.
    Baal has already made it clear long ago on this and other threads that what you feel happened many milliseconds ago.
    Feelings do not trump facts.
    The question that no one has answered is, what can T05 do that other rubbers cannot?
    No one has answered this questions over many years.
    Over the years I have bought 4 sheet of T05 and 2 sheets of T25. I still play is one of the T25 sheets even though it is 9 years old.
    I do agree that Tenergys seem to last a long time. However, I don't agree they are magic and can do special things that other rubbers cannot.
    That goes for the newer version of Butterfly rubbers too.



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    #454
    Quote Originally Posted by brokenball
    The question that no one has answered is, what can T05 do that other rubbers cannot?
    There is no measurable answer, as in "the ball has 6% more rotation on a topspin hit with 72% angle".

    But I am sure a lot of players would identify t05 in a blind test, whereas they very likely wouldn´t be able to tell an Evolution from an Omega and a Rhyzer from a Nexxus.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenball
    However, I don't agree they are magic and can do special things that other rubbers cannot.
    Of course not.

    When t05 first appeared, it was unrivaled by German or other Japanese rubbers in terms of spin, certainly a very good topsheet working together with a very good sponge.
    But I guess German rubbers caught up and I also thought Mantra rubbers were the first really good Japanese rubbers in years.

    The search for "the" alternative has been a dead end for years, so that many t05 users are now even wary to try - "No thanks, I know what I have here, and the price doesn´t matter."

    So I guess we´ll be seeing t05 around for a while then, becoming the Sriver of its time.

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    #456
    They've definitely closed the gap, but I wouldn't say ESN have caught up. On the contrary, I'm unimpressed with their development after 2012. A series of experiments by Japanese youtuber Table Tennis Lab has reinforced that. The rebound height and angle at higher drop height show Butterfly still have the edge in terms of balance.

    TT11's interview of MX-D is honest and fair.

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    Release date 2008/4/21 2017/4/21 2019/4/1 2010/7/21 2014/10 2021/1
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    Thickness(mm)/hardness(°) 2.1/36 2.1/35 2.1/40 Super thick/37.5 Max/45-50 Max/47.5+-3 2.1/51.5
    Size(mm^2)/weight(g) 167x180/70 167x180/69 167x180/70 170x170/68 170x170/72 167x170/74 167x178/76
    Area/weight(mm^2/g) 429 435 429 425 401 384 391
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    100cm 58.2 56.8 57.3 55.1 53.5 57.1 56.6
    188cm 90.3 87.7 89.2 86.1 84.1 90.2 88.7
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    14.72 14.2 15 14.78 15.1 15.5 15.4
    Rebound angle 24.5 23.5 25.7 25.2 25.3 24.5 25.7
    188cm 15.11 15.1 15 15.78 16 16 16.2
    Rebound angle 13.3 14.9 14 13.6 15.4 15.3 16.6
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    It's easy. The best alternative to Tenergy is Dignics. Ask Butterfly 🤣🤣🤣

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    I still prefer cornilleau... More stable and controlled rubber. Not mention the price

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