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    Xu Xin illegal Serve in Detail

    OK, so im not going to outline Xu Xin here as a bad person as hes my second favourite player to Boll however. There is growing speculation over the internet that Xu Xin is serving illegally and he is gaining a huge advantage over his opponents. Especially in the deciding points of the sets. I have took two types of Xu Xin's serves from the most recent event he took part in, which he infact won. The Qatar Open 2011 Congrats Xu! Amazing!

    Well heres my editing of the serves, what do you think everyone? Speculation true or false? Legal or Illegal? What did you put... Debate now.

    Xu Xin vs Ma Long - Semi Final
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    Xu Xin vs Timo Boll - Final

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    #3
    great theard thanks for posting!!!

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    #4
    When Xu Xin vs Timo Boll in the final. The audience can not see the ball, but Timo Boll has full perspective, I think

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    it is illegal, but the services of everyone else, except a few, are the same illegal

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    #6
    illegal, all in all xu xin has the most illegal serve
    do the same thing with ma long and timo boll pls

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    #7
    not illegal, hand is not obstructing movement...

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    illegal serve at all i agree !!! i think the refs should have given some points to Timo!!!! But I think the refs had to make a desicion, so they let the game continue !!!
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    #9
    true the hand or arm is not obstructing the ball but the body is and the way he has his body turned the ball is past the plane of his body which is VERY ILLEGAL!!!

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    i dont know if the ball is invisible from timo's position but xu throw it backward instead of vertically upward. this gives him advantage in generating spin according to me
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    Please slice the couple of points agains Ma Long. The ones where Ma Long failed to read the spin and return in the net and off the table.

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    Here are the Rules directly from the Offical Laws book

    2.6.1 Service shall start with the ball resting freely on the open palm of the server's
    stationary free hand.

    2.6.2 The server shall then project the ball near vertically upwards, without
    imparting spin, so that it rises at least 16cm after leaving the palm of the free
    hand and then falls without touching anything before being struck.

    2.6.3 As the ball is falling the server shall strike it so that it touches first his court
    and then, after passing over or around the net assembly, touches directly the
    receiver's court; in doubles, the ball shall touch successively the right half
    court of server and receiver.

    2.6.4 From the start of service until it is struck, the ball shall be above the level of
    the playing surface and behind the server's end line, and it shall not be hidden 2: The Laws of Table Tennis
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    wear or carry.

    2.6.5 As soon as the ball has been projected, the server’s free arm and hand shall
    be removed from the space between the ball and the net.
    The space between the ball and the net is defined by the ball, the net and its indefinite
    upward extension.


    2.6.6 It is the responsibility of the player to serve so that the umpire or the assistant
    umpire can be satisfied that he complies with the requirements of the Laws,
    and either may decide that a service is incorrect.

    2.6.6.1 If either the umpire or the assistant umpire is not sure about the legality of
    a service he may, on the first occasion in a match, interrupt play and warn
    the server; but any subsequent service by that player or his doubles
    partner which is not clearly legal shall be considered incorrect.

    2.6.7 Exceptionally, the umpire may relax the requirements for a correct service
    where he is satisfied that compliance is prevented by physical disability.

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    #13
    Looks illegal to me. The rule states that the server should project the ball "near vertically upwards" and from the photos, we can clearly see he was throwing it backwards towards his body. Thanks Dan for posting this interesting thread!

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    You can also see Ma Long trying to bend around to view around Xu Xui's body

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justchill
    not illegal, hand is not obstructing movement...
    This is not the deciding factor for the rule

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    the upper body makes the ball invisible => wrong serve

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    if his opponents couldnt see his serve...wouldnt they complain to the umpire?? just asking....

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    #18
    Yeah seriously, this is kind of a meaningless debate. From the videos we get this distant, straight on view, that is nothing like what Xu Xin's opponents see. Look at the Boll match. They are standing diagonally to each other, that makes it so that you have a way better view. And in the clips that Dan provided, you can see the ball when it contacts the paddle, which is the only real crucial thing that is needed. If it was so illegal, you can bet as hell Boll and his opponents would complain to the judges. Even the judges are probably partially bias against Chinese players, because as part of the ITTF they don't want Chinese to dominate, so they actively look for any chance to mark a serve as illegal.

    People complain about Ma Lin's serve all the time, and yet Dan at least from his personal experience said it was completely visible.

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    #19
    Quote Originally Posted by VANS
    i dont know if the ball is invisible from timo's position but xu throw it backward instead of vertically upward. this gives him advantage in generating spin according to me
    Everyone throws it back a little. And as long as you throw it up from your palm, its really hard to get any spin.

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    as scylla said people have complained about ma lins serves for years and they must be legal for him to be doing them for so long and xu xins serves proberly were legal if you were in timos or ma longs position

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