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      Quote Originally Posted by RIPPER View Post
      Btw where in england do u play I used to play in bristol
      thanks what youve said is very encouraging i play in sheffield ive done most the GP circuit this year

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      Quote Originally Posted by RIPPER View Post
      I would make sure that you have a good level of fitness and they also have a very nice gym there that you can use whenever you want. They will see what level you play at and then put u in a squad they haveall different kinds of players turning up there so it doesnt matter what level u play at. They will fit u in the right squad and then if u ever feel tht u need to go up or down a squad or u would like matches then just ask the coach and they will arrange it for u. From memory u will start training at 8am ish and after lunch a lot of the players have a nap which I would recomend and then second training at about 2pm then dinner and the third sessio is optional if u want to do service receive practice most of the tym
      Correct, make sure you take the nap - you will need it for the afternoon session.
      Also, how many hours are you training a week now? If very little, your body won't adapt well to 40+ hours a week.

      Training 2 months full time for first timers may end up pretty boring and tiring. So I hope you have the will power of going through with it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      Correct, make sure you take the nap - you will need it for the afternoon session.
      Also, how many hours are you training a week now? If very little, your body won't adapt well to 40+ hours a week.

      Training 2 months full time for first timers may end up pretty boring and tiring. So I hope you have the will power of going through with it.
      yes at the moment i am at low amount of around 10 but have done 20 hours in the past and haven't struggled out of everything i would say fitness is low down on my worries.

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      Quote Originally Posted by thethundertt View Post
      yes at the moment i am at low amount of around 10 but have done 20 hours in the past and haven't struggled out of everything i would say fitness is low down on my worries.
      Don't underestimate 20 hours vs 40 hours and also 8 x 40 hours.
      Playing 6 hours+ a day vs 3 hours+ a day is very different. I know because I used to train 40 hours a week.
      I have students that train around 10 to 15 hours a week, I can promise you none of them can handle 40 hours.
      Injury from over working your body is the last thing you want during your trip.

      Other than that, just get used to some Chinese food (rice/noodle + dishes)

      Another thing that might be a small issue is your skills, as some times certain coaches may hold back teaching you "everything". But no matter what, I"m sure you will learn and train a lot and get into a better form.
      Some bad things I heard is that certain skills are so bad that the coach require to spend half the time undoing those bad habits, so after a month or 2, the player isn't really playing better, but is playing correctly. Correctly does not equal winning.
      This is all normal for improvements, so it depends on how you see what improvement is.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      Don't underestimate 20 hours vs 40 hours and also 8 x 40 hours.
      Playing 6 hours+ a day vs 3 hours+ a day is very different. I know because I used to train 40 hours a week.
      I have students that train around 10 to 15 hours a week, I can promise you none of them can handle 40 hours.
      Injury from over working your body is the last thing you want during your trip.

      Other than that, just get used to some Chinese food (rice/noodle + dishes)

      Another thing that might be a small issue is your skills, as some times certain coaches may hold back teaching you "everything". But no matter what, I"m sure you will learn and train a lot and get into a better form.
      Some bad things I heard is that certain skills are so bad that the coach require to spend half the time undoing those bad habits, so after a month or 2, the player isn't really playing better, but is playing correctly. Correctly does not equal winning.
      This is all normal for improvements, so it depends on how you see what improvement is.
      i understand, how would you suggest preparing myself for the 40 hours a week then?

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      Quote Originally Posted by thethundertt View Post
      i understand, how would you suggest preparing myself for the 40 hours a week then?
      In the area you live you can easily have access to a running court ? a swimming pool ? a gym ? Whatever it is go for that and don't do galactic exercises do stamina exercise. For example if you go at the swimming pool dont do 50 meters sprint. Do 100 or 200 meters with small brakes. You don't need to go into muscul oriented exercise you need heart to work in high pace. In general improve your fitness. Good luck ,have fun, and im Jealous

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      Quote Originally Posted by SquareBall View Post
      In the area you live you can easily have access to a running court ? a swimming pool ? a gym ? Whatever it is go for that and don't do galactic exercises do stamina exercise. For example if you go at the swimming pool dont do 50 meters sprint. Do 100 or 200 meters with small brakes. You don't need to go into muscul oriented exercise you need heart to work in high pace. In general improve your fitness. Good luck ,have fun, and im Jealous
      Yeah, building in stamina is good.
      But doing a FH stroke for few thousand times in a day is also different too.

      I would suggestion that you train a few 6 hours days (3 hours in the morning and 3 hours in the afternoon) building up to your departure.
      IE, every saturday for 1 months leading up to your trip.
      Make sure its not just the hour but the intensity level too.

      So with what Squareball mentioned - try and do 30 mins a day on jogging, long distance swimming etc.
      Do your normal 15 hours a week - and the extra full day or two in a week.
      This should come to 25 hours or so.
      Then I think it should be fine.

      When you in China, make sure you do enough stretches and cool downs.
      Do it even when you wake up and before you go to sleep

      First few days it may be tough, but after a week you will get used to it.
      After two weeks to three weeks you may start getting tired
      After 4 weeks of the same thing, you may start getting bored
      So it all depends on how exiting the program is, and your attention level

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      Yeah, building in stamina is good.
      But doing a FH stroke for few thousand times in a day is also different too.

      I would suggestion that you train a few 6 hours days (3 hours in the morning and 3 hours in the afternoon) building up to your departure.
      IE, every saturday for 1 months leading up to your trip.
      Make sure its not just the hour but the intensity level too.

      So with what Squareball mentioned - try and do 30 mins a day on jogging, long distance swimming etc.
      Do your normal 15 hours a week - and the extra full day or two in a week.
      This should come to 25 hours or so.
      Then I think it should be fine.

      When you in China, make sure you do enough stretches and cool downs.
      Do it even when you wake up and before you go to sleep

      First few days it may be tough, but after a week you will get used to it.
      After two weeks to three weeks you may start getting tired
      After 4 weeks of the same thing, you may start getting bored
      So it all depends on how exiting the program is, and your attention level
      thanks that seems achievable as my lifestyle is already rather active.

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      has anyone that has been know how many overseas people are usually there and whether many english speakers go?

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      Quote Originally Posted by thethundertt View Post
      yeah thanks i hope so how much by percentage would you say you improved?
      Hard to say.. the changes in your playing will be big though. Actually there was a same kind of thread like this before, I wrote more about my visits experiences there: http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/fo...nning-in-China

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      "I've been in China twice to train there a couple of weeks each time. Those trips were really nice. I was in a sports school in Beijing (same from where Ma Long and Ding Ning has come from). It was 5h training/day and 6 days/week. This school had quite young players, everything from 7 to 15- or 16- years old I believe.
      The trainings were very different than European trainings. Firstly, the warming up was very long, we hit sometimes like 20 minutes only FH.. Secondly, the exercises we made was quite easy. The point in that was to do many repeats and in that way become a more secure player. Even the youngest were like machines when doing those exercises, they were so secure doing them. But when we started to play matches it was different of course, it was quite easy to win the youngest players because they didn't really have match experience (retrieving serves etc.).

      The couches were quite tight on the chinese players, they really wanted them to do well when they played against us. They made sure that we got good practice, even though they didn't give us so much advices. But what they taught us was totally different things than we had been taught to here in Europe. The technique is so different (especially for FH). After some weeks of training there I had my best FH ever, but when I returned back to Finland it kind of disappeared again because nobody knows that real (chinese) technique. So my playing style kind of returned to the same old "European"-style after some months.

      Anyway it was truly amazing trips. I totally recommend to go and experience it yourself also. You can't imagine the level of the players before you see them with your own eyes. We actually also got to play with maybe the best 7-year-old boy in the world, he was unbelievable good. But table tennis is probably the only sport in the world that makes it possible for a 7-year-old to be as good as many (ok/good-leveled) adults."

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      Yep, thats the thing

      Training to fix technique, or training for the sake of training.
      That is a big difference

      2 weeks, 2 months is not a lot of time to fix technique - in terms of sufficient time for it to totally become your new habit.
      It all depends on the coach and how much effort he/she is willing to put into you.

      In both your instances, you both are young, but maybe a bit too old in some coaches eye.
      So it all got to do with what program, coach and your condition/technique.

      No matter what, it will be a life time experience for sure.

      Btw, you should ask Zheng Ding if there are going to be other foreigners there. It differs time to time.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      Yep, thats the thing

      Training to fix technique, or training for the sake of training.
      That is a big difference

      2 weeks, 2 months is not a lot of time to fix technique - in terms of sufficient time for it to totally become your new habit.
      It all depends on the coach and how much effort he/she is willing to put into you.

      In both your instances, you both are young, but maybe a bit too old in some coaches eye.
      So it all got to do with what program, coach and your condition/technique.

      No matter what, it will be a life time experience for sure.

      Btw, you should ask Zheng Ding if there are going to be other foreigners there. It differs time to time.
      thanks i will ask them i would say my technique is rather orthodox for here in things i think i will gain the most is footwork currently i would say that that let the rest of my game down

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      i would say a good exercise will include the use of dumbells,especially on your racket hand.We dont you to drop your racket because your hand becomes too
      weak!

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      Quote Originally Posted by mahomedy13 View Post
      i would say a good exercise will include the use of dumbells,especially on your racket hand.We dont you to drop your racket because your hand becomes too
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      No, that is totally something very different.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      No, that is totally something very different.
      I am also a tennis player so I don't lack in upper body strength endurance is probably what I need more then anything

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      Quote Originally Posted by thethundertt View Post
      I am also a tennis player so I don't lack in upper body strength endurance is probably what I need more then anything
      I'm also not talking about upper body strength.
      Any ways, go and see for yourself.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tony's Table Tennis View Post
      I'm also not talking about upper body strength.
      Any ways, go and see for yourself.
      I was agreeing with you unless you think dumbbells can be used for something other then upper body strength

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      Quote Originally Posted by thethundertt View Post
      I was agreeing with you unless you think dumbbells can be used for something other then upper body strength
      lol, okay.
      I thought you were disagreeing, my bad

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      Like i said before,good luck,train hard and tell us what you experienced,and whether you feel you have improved or not.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mahomedy13 View Post
      Like i said before,good luck,train hard and tell us what you experienced,and whether you feel you have improved or not.
      I'm sure he will, just give him a chance to go to China first lol

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