Is weight gain/muscle gain detrimental to table tennis?

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A famous US player who is known as HEAVYSPIN on US forums plays 2 levels above me (despite his temporary decrease in ratings) and he doesn't do all that crazy combination footwork except only every now and then. he can still move at who knows his weight, but it is easily 50 kg more than myself and I am seeming to do everything to try to crack 100 kg... and I am not going to be accuse of being a tall dude either.

Ask anyone who has seen my in person, decent muscle mass and some extra fat on Ur body isn't going to hold you back significantly... until you are approaching national level. None of us amature crowd is going to get there anytime soon.

Worth noting that said dude can throw around some big weights as well. I'd say the heavier one weighs, the more resistance training is going to help.
 
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Any muscle gain is not detrimental to table tennis. Fat gain is. Those overweight local league table tennis champions(including Waldner) would be better player if they lose few pounds of fat.

That said, if we only have say couple 2 hours pracitices per week, that time would be better spent on practicing skills because 2 hours practice would not be enough to transfer the effect of muscle gain to the sport.
 
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A simple way to think about it is power to weight ratio. Usually people who are not taking steroids and who actually make time for table tennis and don't just go to the gym to try to increase muscle mass will get stronger but not a lot heavier. You are thinking you will gain 7 kg. That is quite a lot considering your height. Is it enough to slow you down? Hard to say, I would guess not assuming you work your whole body. However I would strongly predict that a training plan that can accomplish that will not leave a lot of time for TT. Of course to help TT, one wants to get stronger in muscles that really matter for table tennis -- which is quite lot of them -- which means it pays to kind of work everything. WLQ was the first TT player I know of who managed to get really ripped, but he was not bulky.
 
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Heys guys

I am about 178cm tall and about 68kg right now. I usually get to around 75kg but strength and size increase considerably. This may be a silly question but I am asking it anyway.


If you were 178cm and only 68kg so you were really skinny or skinny fat. I am going weight training to the gym regularly (currently 4 times a week, but will increase to 6 times as I'm planning to change my routine and use a different split) and also I am 178cm height and my weight is 75kg. Also I am really lean with a very low body fat (I think around 10%). So if you could achieve that it would give you only positive effect for your TT play. If you gained weight to 75kg but gained not only muscle but also fat (gaining only muscle while bulking is pretty hard to achieve), it wouldn't have any negative effect to your TT as well, as being 75kg at 178 is also really ok. And, as everyone mentioned in multiple examples, table tennis is not about muscles or body mass or age. It's everything except that :)

To gain the levels of muscle that would have a negative effect for playing table tennis, you have to go into some very serious bodybuilding (for example had a weight of a 100kg for your height while still being on normal body fat levels). But if you somehow got there, it would definitely decrease your TT performance.

by the way, as this post is a couple of years old, did you achieve your goals?

...and with strict diet getting lots of protein and as less fat as possible

that's not how it should be done. Basically your diet should be calculated in the following way:
-calculate the amount of calories you need to consume daily (depending on your physical activity, age, height, body composition and your goal -maintain, gain muscle mass, lose fat)
-then (depending on your goals) adjust macros: firstly the amount of protein needed (a lot more if you are on a weight loss diet to preserve your lean muscle mass), then the amount of good fats needed which is constant and independent on your goals, the remaining calories can be consumed as carbs.

So basically you shouldn't use as little fats as possible as they are vital for your body function.. but use no less than the minimum healthy amount for you and then add carbs if you are bulking and cut them if you want to lose fat
 
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All fat is not equal. All carbs are not equal. If one wishes to keep it simple, keep the protein high (and use animal proteins instead of plant proteins), load up on veggies (darker color is best, and potatoes should be treated as about as useful as table sugar), and get enough good fats (i.e. fish or fish oil and some nuts). Fish fats actually promote weight loss. Don't concentrate too much on macros. Low fat diets work and so do low carb diets. Do what works best for you.
 
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If you were 178cm and only 68kg so you were really skinny or skinny fat. I am going weight training to the gym regularly (currently 4 times a week, but will increase to 6 times as I'm planning to change my routine and use a different split) and also I am 178cm height and my weight is 75kg. Also I am really lean with a very low body fat (I think around 10%). So if you could achieve that it would give you only positive effect for your TT play. If you gained weight to 75kg but gained not only muscle but also fat (gaining only muscle while bulking is pretty hard to achieve), it wouldn't have any negative effect to your TT as well, as being 75kg at 178 is also really ok. And, as everyone mentioned in multiple examples, table tennis is not about muscles or body mass or age. It's everything except that :)

To gain the levels of muscle that would have a negative effect for playing table tennis, you have to go into some very serious bodybuilding (for example had a weight of a 100kg for your height while still being on normal body fat levels). But if you somehow got there, it would definitely decrease your TT performance.

by the way, as this post is a couple of years old, did you achieve your goals?



that's not how it should be done. Basically your diet should be calculated in the following way:
-calculate the amount of calories you need to consume daily (depending on your physical activity, age, height, body composition and your goal -maintain, gain muscle mass, lose fat)
-then (depending on your goals) adjust macros: firstly the amount of protein needed (a lot more if you are on a weight loss diet to preserve your lean muscle mass), then the amount of good fats needed which is constant and independent on your goals, the remaining calories can be consumed as carbs.

So basically you shouldn't use as little fats as possible as they are vital for your body function.. but use no less than the minimum healthy amount for you and then add carbs if you are bulking and cut them if you want to lose fat


as less fat as possible basically u analyzed my quote in a more detailed manner but the result is still the same. to be accurate I should have used the phrase "as less fat as viable" . nbut in the end of the day we are on the same page here :)
 
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lol I cant remember well but I did not get up to 75kg, I have previously gotten up to that around 2012 but working out 6 days a week (I am a hard gainer/ectomorph). I probably got up to 72kg at most but I am relatively happy now at 70kg (can attach photos if anyone is really interested) for the amount of time I put into the gym (2 sessions of 45min each).

as for TT, I got into it with a different smaller club thats really close to my house. I got up to a decent level (I dont know the USATT levels etc to give an estimation, can attach a video or someone recommending a video that explains the USAtt levels would be helpful). The club was really small and mostly 50+ guys, I am in my 20s, so I got to as high a level as I think I was gonna playing twice a week as they do and the resources they had.

now I am currently into the idea of even more multi-faceted approaches to sport and fitness. So I am looking into the minimum time put into the gym to maintain a muscular aesthetic physique and strength (hence the 45min twice a week regimen). Currently I can bench around 80kg for a double (I avoid single/max rep as the injury/benefit ration is too high) @ 70kg bodyweight, deadlift around 80kg for 6-8 reps (lower back is an issue right now so working on figuring that out), leg press is probably around 120kg for doubles. I am looking at other protocols for going past this plateau like higher reps, more rest etc.

I have taken up tennis as I felt I had gotten to as high a level as I was going to get for the amount of time and resources available I could play. I also became interested in Racketlon and guys developing their all round racket skills. So I play 2-3 times a week. Really enjoying being able to improve so rapidly since I already understand spin from so many years of TT but also having to learn the effects of the larger heavier ball and strings vs rubber etc

I was also looking into seeing if I could get my 5km run time to 30min but I have held off on that since I fell like I need more recovery time. I think its possible since I have found and looked into guys like Alex Viada and Ross Edgley.

(Alex Viada : https://completehumanperformance.com , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STM9sA_F0bM)
(Ross Edgley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gSe42VB968)
 
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lol I cant remember well but I did not get up to 75kg, I have previously gotten up to that around 2012 but working out 6 days a week (I am a hard gainer/ectomorph). I probably got up to 72kg at most but I am relatively happy now at 70kg (can attach photos if anyone is really interested) for the amount of time I put into the gym (2 sessions of 45min each).

I don't think it would be a problem to get more muscles at your age and your weight if you wanted. More food consumed regularly (you should count your macros!!!) and I think some more time at the gym, cause 2X45 min seems on the lower side. But if you are happy with your present shape- even better:) Sure, attach the photo, cause I am of your height and I'd like to know, how I would probably look at 70kg. A couple of years ago with a lot of efforts, I've reached around 72kg, but I felt super shredded with veins popping from my quads.

as for TT, I got into it with a different smaller club thats really close to my house. I got up to a decent level (I dont know the USATT levels etc to give an estimation, can attach a video or someone recommending a video that explains the USAtt levels would be helpful). The club was really small and mostly 50+ guys, I am in my 20s, so I got to as high a level as I think I was gonna playing twice a week as they do and the resources they had.

Try this link for a rough estimation of your level https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?18163-Different-countries-ranking-systems .

now I am currently into the idea of even more multi-faceted approaches to sport and fitness. So I am looking into the minimum time put into the gym to maintain a muscular aesthetic physique and strength (hence the 45min twice a week regimen). Currently I can bench around 80kg for a double (I avoid single/max rep as the injury/benefit ration is too high) @ 70kg bodyweight, deadlift around 80kg for 6-8 reps (lower back is an issue right now so working on figuring that out), leg press is probably around 120kg for doubles. I am looking at other protocols for going past this plateau like higher reps, more rest etc.

yes, your deadlifts are on the lower side. But if you have some back issues, go see a specialist and sort that out first. I also had some problems with my lower back, but now i'm practically over them. My glutes and lower abs weren't strong enough, hamstrings were tight and that made my lower back constantly tight. So, muscle imbalances... I like your multi-faceted approach. That's the right thing to do. I feel I should shift to that side too, but can't find enough time. Cause I really like TT and I really like going to the gym and it takes a lot of my time already... Common practice for gaining more strength would be lower reps, higher weights, compound exercises...

I was also looking into seeing if I could get my 5km run time to 30min but I have held off on that since I fell like I need more recovery time. I think its possible ...

it's possible for sure :)
 
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