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I don't get it. Why can't Japan make the finals? Are they drawn against China in the semifinals despite being seeded 2nd? Which ghost team could possibly be seeded between Japan and China?
Groups =/= Quarters so Groups A and B do not mean first half (unless I'm wrong?). In the second knock-out stage, winners from Group A and B will be allocated into positions 1 and 8 (i.e. different halves). Japan will only be in the same half as China (assuming they top Group A) if they are not the winner of Group B.
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Thanks in advance ! We wait !
On 2nd thought, I started one.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj_L155vUlT9r3u1hKE-hMw/community?lb=UgyHiX2H09GaauEYE3B4AaABCQ
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On 2nd thought, I started one.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj_L155vUlT9r3u1hKE-hMw/community?lb=UgyHiX2H09GaauEYE3B4AaABCQ
Thank !(I’ll go there ...)
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From the selections for Rio, Murakami explicitly told the media that the 3rd spot would be decided by world ranking. For the men's team, it would be decided by development headquarter, and in the end they went by world ranking.
5 Mizutani
12 Niwa
18 M. Yoshimura
22 Oshima
5 Ishikawa
6 Fukuhara
10 Ito
17 Hirano
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Thanks and my point exactly. Selecting Sato for this World Teams shows how conservative the JNT is despite our desires.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding! I do however, have some info to add about the reserve player from the official document for Olympic Qualifcation. Here's the google translated quotation from the 2020 Olympic Qualification Document of Japan:
４．リザーブ候補選手1 名
日本がメダルを獲得するために必要なダブルス及びシングルスでの国際競争力を持ち
合わせている者1 名を、強化本部が決定し理事会に報告及びJOC に推薦する。
リザーブ選手の発表時期はJOC へのエントリー期限直前とする。
５．補足基準
代表候補選手及びリザーブ候補選手が故障等で大会参加が不能となった場合、その代替
候補選手は、強化本部が決定し理事会に報告及びJOC に推薦する。
4). 1 reserve candidate
International competitiveness in doubles and singles necessary for Japan to win medals
The headquarters will determine one person to be combined, report it to the board and recommend it to the JOC.
The reserve players will be announced immediately before the JOC entry deadline.
5). Supplementary criteria
If the representative candidate player or reserve candidate player cannot participate in the tournament due to a failure, etc.
Candidate athletes will be determined by the Strengthening Headquarters and reported to the Board of Directors and recommended to the JOC.
International competitiveness in doubles and singles necessary for Japan to win medals
The headquarters will determine one person to be combined, report it to the board and recommend it to the JOC.
The reserve players will be announced immediately before the JOC entry deadline.
5). Supplementary criteria
If the representative candidate player or reserve candidate player cannot participate in the tournament due to a failure, etc.
Candidate athletes will be determined by the Strengthening Headquarters and reported to the Board of Directors and recommended to the JOC.
Based on the document, the reserve player will be picked based on "International competitiveness in doubles and singles necessary for Japan to win medals" not world ranking. Therefore, it's not a given that the reserve spot will be awarded to the highest WR Japanese player not part of the 3-player main team. Doubles and singles ability and team-fit will be given more importance in selecting the reserve.
Also if one of the 3 main Olympic players get injured before the Olympics start, they don't necessarily have to put the reserve as the replacement, but can opt to get someone else. For example, if Ito, Hirano and Ishikawa are the main players and Sato is the reserve, and Ishikawa gets injured before the Olympics, JTTA can opt to put Hayata in as the 3rd main player given that she's a lefty to replace another lefty and need not automatically go with Sato. However, once the Olympics start though and an injury occurs, it's only the reserve player that can fill in.
On your point of Hayata not being a reserve for the TWC, I agree with your theory. I think that Hayata was offered the 5th team spot but the problem is that the Belarus Open is a week before the TWC. Usually, the Japanese team will have at least a week-long closed training before major tournaments and Hayata can't be part of that if she joins the Belarus Open. Furthermore, Hayata may not even play in the TWC, so she may have thought it would be better for her Olympic chances to join the Belarus Open where she can gain points and showcase her talent for the Olympic selection team rather than forego the Belarus Open and be benched in the TWC. If JTTA really went by World Ranking for the TWC selection, Kato would have gotten the 5th spot, so the fact that the 5th spot is vacant could mean that it was supposedly Hayata's but she turned it down. Since the deadline for player lineups is November 4, maybe the 5th spot was left vacant in case Hayata would reconsider her decision and decides to withdraw from the Belarus Open to play in the TWC instead. Also, the men's team composition isn't based on WR order either, so definitely plausible that TWC selection isn't strictly by WR.
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I think the desire to have Hayata is leading us to construct too many narratives that keep her in the mix. Is there really a good reason not to field Hayata in Team World Cup if it is a realistic possibility? The conservative nature of the JNT selections is the consistent thread. Expectations of a radical deviation are based more on hope than experience.
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I feel the JNT has become very cautious after the dispute by Miki House on behalf of Sayaka Hirano over JTTA's decision to field Miu-Mima over Ishikawa/S. Hirano for WTTC 2015.
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Here's the selection criteria for Rio 2016. Similar footnote about international competitiveness to earn medals but no specific mention of singles and doubles.
https://web.archive.org/web/2015031...a.or.jp/topics/2016/16rioolympicselection.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/2015031...a.or.jp/topics/2016/16rioolympicselection.pdf
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https://hochi.news/articles/20191105-OHT1T50188.html
The stability has also increased, winning second place in 2 consecutive tournaments at the Swedish Open and the German Open in October. She did not participate in the tournament for 1 month in September and use it as a practice period. By expanding the range of tactics, "I can do more than before and the quality has improved a lot. It was really good to practice for a month. I was able to have a good game and have confidence."
Ito is now the pillar for singles and Baba calls Ito the "point-getter."
The stability has also increased, winning second place in 2 consecutive tournaments at the Swedish Open and the German Open in October. She did not participate in the tournament for 1 month in September and use it as a practice period. By expanding the range of tactics, "I can do more than before and the quality has improved a lot. It was really good to practice for a month. I was able to have a good game and have confidence."
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What impresses me the most is ITO's serves. I was right behind the players and with my friends we played the "guess the spin" and with ITO I was fooled all the time. or the serve was too fast we couldn't react at all. We didn't have that much feeling with any other player male or female. On top of that, she has a huge variety of serves.
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http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/pingpang/2019-11-02/doc-iicezzrr6657139.shtml
After the end of the Swedish Open, Sun Yingsha really wanted to meet Ito again during the German Open, to prove herself and to keep the record in the black. She got what she wanted, this time standing in the final where her success or failure is directly related to the title. It is impossible for Sun Yingsha to not be nervous. Before the match, Liu Guoliang, president of the table tennis association, called Sun Yingsha. "President Liu prepared the match for me. He asked me to recall the details of the preparations before the WTTC. I have been thinking about it before the match because the memory of the WTTC is particularly nice, so I felt rather at ease when actually playing, not so much pressure.” Sun Yingsha said that before the match, President Liu, coach Ma Lin and coach Huang Haicheng did all they could and it came down to me on the court.
In the match, Sun Yingsha led 1-0, but was tied by Ito afterward. At that moment, she recalled what Liu Guoliang had told her on the phone: getting 1 in the first 3 games is good enough. Take it slow even if the score was 1 to 2. You don't have to lead at all costs. Playing point by point is fine. Liu Guoliang also reminded Sun Yingsha to play the mind game with Ito. Sun Yingsha kept these in mind, dealed smoothly with Ito, and finally defeated her 4-1.
In Sun Yingsha's opinion, the Ito in WTTC and in Swedish Open were 2 different persons. "When we played in the WTTC, she was a Japanese star. It was my first time to participate in the WTTC. She didn't know anything about me. I was the challenger. I felt that Ito was carrying a burden. But in Sweden, Ito's expression made me think that she was completely different from the WTTC. She played very calmly. Yet, I panicked after she guessed a few shots right." Sun Yingsha was also observing Ito on the court, and also executed the tactics prepared beforehand, "but when she hit where it hurt, I didn't keep up with her. In the next few games, I was following her pace, and I didn't have any of idea of my own."
After the end of the Swedish Open, Sun Yingsha really wanted to meet Ito again during the German Open, to prove herself and to keep the record in the black. She got what she wanted, this time standing in the final where her success or failure is directly related to the title. It is impossible for Sun Yingsha to not be nervous. Before the match, Liu Guoliang, president of the table tennis association, called Sun Yingsha. "President Liu prepared the match for me. He asked me to recall the details of the preparations before the WTTC. I have been thinking about it before the match because the memory of the WTTC is particularly nice, so I felt rather at ease when actually playing, not so much pressure.” Sun Yingsha said that before the match, President Liu, coach Ma Lin and coach Huang Haicheng did all they could and it came down to me on the court.
In the match, Sun Yingsha led 1-0, but was tied by Ito afterward. At that moment, she recalled what Liu Guoliang had told her on the phone: getting 1 in the first 3 games is good enough. Take it slow even if the score was 1 to 2. You don't have to lead at all costs. Playing point by point is fine. Liu Guoliang also reminded Sun Yingsha to play the mind game with Ito. Sun Yingsha kept these in mind, dealed smoothly with Ito, and finally defeated her 4-1.
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In S-PARK or S1 for German Open, it's noted that she has like 5 or 6 service motions.
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