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Timo Boll can also hit very hard and has one of the best spinny balls in the world but he has a short stroke.
CNT players have a different technique, they hit the ball "by the legs" and this is very powerful. So they need a linear rubber. TB hit with his forearm and his wrist, this short stroke is not so powerful so you must play a really fast/powerful rubber.
When CNT players like Fan Zhendong or Ma Long are playing the forehand topspin you see a fluidly motion and it looks like they don't use any force.
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Chinese rubber has a catapult effect but only the sponge not the topsheet.
When you hit harder with a CN rubber you must hit it as a hard topspin, not flat.
A flat hit with CN rubbers is much more difficult than with tensor rubbers.
For a smash they use the backhand rubber because the CN rubber is so tacky and they will overhit.
CNT players have a different technique, they hit the ball "by the legs" and this is very powerful. So they need a linear rubber. TB hit with his forearm and his wrist, this short stroke is not so powerful so you must play a really fast/powerful rubber.
When CNT players like Fan Zhendong or Ma Long are playing the forehand topspin you see a fluidly motion and it looks like they don't use any force.
Back to the question:
Chinese rubber has a catapult effect but only the sponge not the topsheet.
When you hit harder with a CN rubber you must hit it as a hard topspin, not flat.
A flat hit with CN rubbers is much more difficult than with tensor rubbers.
For a smash they use the backhand rubber because the CN rubber is so tacky and they will overhit.
I'll try to describe what I think is the diference.
I use a chinese rubber on FH (Palio Hadou 40+), and my practice partners use euro rubbers, when they tryed my racket they said "hell this is fast, I cant put 2 consecutive topspins on the table".
The thing is, this rubber has a little of catapult and is not hard,grips the ball like hell, serve and receive is mid-slow, once you start to topspin, the ball starts to kick.
When you use euro rubbers and make the same stoke with chinese rubbers, the ball goes out because they arent used to give that much spin on the ball, they really cant control the ball that well with a straight hit on the ball, you must put spin on it.
When I give my racket to someone that puts good spin on the ball even using the euro rubbers, they can control it and like it.
It's easier to use the euro rubbers because you dont need to spin that much and they still go, but with chinese rubbers you can put much more spin and the ball goes lower, and more agressive.
When smashing, they both give good speed, but I think it's a little more safe to make it with the euro rubber, again, flat hit is not the best thing to do when using chinese rubbers.
Why I use chinese rubber and not euro rubber?
Because serve and receive are more agressive, 1st top spin is more agressive, as I play very close to the table, is easier for me to control the arc of the ball.
Euro rubbers are way more safe when attacking dead and half long balls, but are not that agressive.
I still can use both, and enjoy palying, but I like the feel of chinese rubbers and the low arc on the FH.
I use a chinese rubber on FH (Palio Hadou 40+), and my practice partners use euro rubbers, when they tryed my racket they said "hell this is fast, I cant put 2 consecutive topspins on the table".
The thing is, this rubber has a little of catapult and is not hard,grips the ball like hell, serve and receive is mid-slow, once you start to topspin, the ball starts to kick.
When you use euro rubbers and make the same stoke with chinese rubbers, the ball goes out because they arent used to give that much spin on the ball, they really cant control the ball that well with a straight hit on the ball, you must put spin on it.
When I give my racket to someone that puts good spin on the ball even using the euro rubbers, they can control it and like it.
It's easier to use the euro rubbers because you dont need to spin that much and they still go, but with chinese rubbers you can put much more spin and the ball goes lower, and more agressive.
When smashing, they both give good speed, but I think it's a little more safe to make it with the euro rubber, again, flat hit is not the best thing to do when using chinese rubbers.
Why I use chinese rubber and not euro rubber?
Because serve and receive are more agressive, 1st top spin is more agressive, as I play very close to the table, is easier for me to control the arc of the ball.
Euro rubbers are way more safe when attacking dead and half long balls, but are not that agressive.
I still can use both, and enjoy palying, but I like the feel of chinese rubbers and the low arc on the FH.
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Note that Ma Long uses one of the rubbers an Hurricane 3 made with Nittaku's Japanese sponge. Nittaku has a partnership and they make sponges with DHS rubbers. Also, let's not forget that brands use players as a front to sell products, in reality they use other material. the case of FAN Zhendong who uses Viscaria with the fist of the Stiga 😉
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Actually, Fan Zhendong was confirmed to be using the Viscaria blade without the Stiga Infinity VPS handle in the Chinese trials.
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This one did not know, that he assumed this in the Chinese championship! in any case the rubber that ma long, xu xin and FAN Zhendong use are admittedly made in Japan with Japanese and non-Chinese sponges and are by Nittaku. People like me buy the Hurricane 3 neo and after sticking it on the blade the ball doesn't reach the other side 🤣🤣🤣 (I'm exaggerating)
https://tabletennis-reference.com/rubber/detail/815
Made in Japan by Nittaku
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this is the """Sales-dribble""" from DHS........................well I'll be damned but for a change a manufacturer does not promise to make you into an Olympic champion but gives a straight and realistic description of its product. I do recommend the product, even un-boosted the rubber delivers.
"""""""Hurricane 3 was designed for the players who mainly adopt control method or have relatively weak attack power when playing 40mm ball. The rubber can reduce a feeling of ponderousness when you strengthen power and create a long arc, which benefits the ball control and exerts fast attack and loop drive at near table."""""
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Fair Play first
WYSIWYG made in Japan What You See Is What You Get
WYSISAC made in China What You See Is A Crap
WYSISAC made in China What You See Is A Crap
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I think the latter is a little bit mean, nationalistic and toxic. Not to say that it would be rather WYSIAC not WYSISAC, so it is incorrect.
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Sorry but that’s just BS. If you can’t get enough speed out of H3, then you’re using it wrong. Neo sponge, when boosted, can be very fast, especially the harder versions like 41 or more degrees. But to access that power, you must have good technique and fitness.
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"Speed will come at the expense of spin or spin at the expense of speed."
Wrong assumption build on "general" myths.
THis is NOT true!
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I agree, because this statement : """"Speed will come at the expense of spin or spin at the expense of speed.""""" will literally translate into:
Highest speed can be achieved if we whack the ball with the square blade and no spin at all.
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No, this is true. It's just the law of conservation of energy at work. E_kinetic = E_translational + E_rotational so if I want to increase the speed of the ball than there will be less energy to spin the ball and vice versa.
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This one did not know, that he assumed this in the Chinese championship! in any case the rubber that ma long, xu xin and FAN Zhendong use are admittedly made in Japan with Japanese and non-Chinese sponges and are by Nittaku. People like me buy the Hurricane 3 neo and after sticking it on the blade the ball doesn't reach the other side 🤣🤣🤣 (I'm exaggerating)
https://tabletennis-reference.com/rubber/detail/815
Made in Japan by Nittaku
The sponsorship between Stiga and FZD simply ended and it is probably better this way. No need to pretend those players use certain blades.
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No, this is not true!
It's a "general" myth.
I spoke a lot about THresholds and margins.
i that case it's more about THresholds.
EVery rubber has it own speed-to-spin Thresholds and for Every rubber the Dynamic Max Spin Graph is Speed Threshold Dependant.
No COR graph would give you that info, nor the "speed" ratings.
And not about "visual" to judge what stroke has more or less spin.
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We cannot alter the original meaning of the words. A rubber such as Hurricane 3 neo (normal) does not have a catapult effect even with 10 malogs holding the blade. Yes, they can originate more speed by giving effect, especially the excellent players. But the rubber don t have a catapult effect
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Yes.
And to be not only mentioned, but figured, tested /eventually/, analysed and rememberd - MAX Spin is always a function of a SPeed THreshold and ALL MAX SPINs are measured ABove these THresholds. There is NO MAX Spin bellow these thresholds. Rubber Max speed and/or COR has Nothing to do with that.
The Really Working factors are "hidden" in the particular rubber characteristics /many, so many, that NO player has to get to the "engineering" department of the R&D, just test, evaluate according your level and experience and use it according your level and experience, EVENTUALLY trying to find your Dream SET UP/.
That's for Some Thresholds, there are many others.
For the Player - find your Margins and try to keep the play inbetween.
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BOLLOCKS !!!! 😂
Absolutely any TT rubber has a catapult effect. Unlike an ice-hockey puck, they probably don't have one.
I had to take off my neo 37 of one of my blades because i could not handle the bouncy bounce effect.. 😀
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ttarc is correct.
What is a threshold? Making up new words now I see. Define threshold with an equation. I can define COR with an equation. I can define the hardness of a sponge with an equation. Now define threshold.
This is tangential and normal COR. if you flat hit the ball you only need to worry about normal COR. If you make eccentric contact with the ball then both CORs come into play The more you brush, the more important the tangential COR is relative to the normal COR.
I don't like the term catapult effect. The reason why that a catapult is not a rebound. I prefer trampoline effect.
Can't anybody see the difference?!
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