Observation on blade designs of various well-known brands(controversial...probably)

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I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of the definition of design. When I said design, I meant visual elements, which as you can tell is a much longer word. That the only reason I used that word. This thread is typed with exaggeration so some brands do actually have good looking blades but like I said in the beginning that it is a generalisation. I don't fundamentally hate simple looking blades, which is different from a blade with what I call a lazy over used design. However, it is true that I don't like the purest wood looking blade (like nothing, just wood)
 
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I think that the opening post is a good base for a research study on some aspects of gender oriented consumer psychology.
Here is a list of 58 gender options:

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/02/heres-a-list-of-58-gender-options-for-facebook-users

It would be very difficult for the visual designers to meet the aesthetics preferences of every single gender type.
Or to find a single gender tolerant metro design.

My personal observation is that most of the forum members are interested more on what the top players equipment is and its playing characteristics, rather than its visual design.

Though we may distinguish at least three categories - fashion players, paying more attention to the visual design; game players, interested in equipment functionality only; and metro players, minding fuctionality, but strict on fashion.

If you think about it you may find representatives of all groups in every club, but I'm glad that the game players prevail.
 
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I think that the opening post is a good base for a research study on some aspects of gender oriented consumer psychology.
Here is a list of 58 gender options:
How dear you assume my gender. I Identify as an opening attacking top spin. Who needs freedom of speech. If you don't comply with my speech you are oppressing minority!:mad:

My personal observation is that most of the forum members are interested more on what the top players equipment is and its playing characteristics, rather than its visual design.
True.Same for me.

Though we may distinguish at least three categories - fashion players, paying more attention to the visual design; game players, interested in equipment functionality only; and metro players, minding functionality, but strict on fashion.
If you think about it you may find representatives of all groups in every club, but I'm glad that the game players prevail.

Basically 2 variables. How much you care about visual design and how much do you care for you game. I don't necessarily see a perfect negative correlation by logic.
 
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How dear you assume my gender. I Identify as an opening attacking top spin. Who needs freedom of speech. If you don't comply with my speech you are oppressing minority!:mad:

There is nothing wrong in my speech. Its fair and tolerant all the way.
Wrong interpretations do not help the freedom of speech.
I don't care at all about your gender and its out of discussion. I'm good with it, whatever.
What I did is to give an example about the visual designers challenges in the modern world.
All I stated is real in that modern world and many specialists in different fields do work hard to meet and answer these challenges. Closing eyes, ears amd mouth doesn't help.
 
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I think we are coming down to the core of the problem here. And it is good.
I think I have stated it clear as well. There is an abundance of option that the question of design vs function is irrelevant. You can get both!!!!:eek: (not really a surprise)
So it allows me to "never buy and use them no matter how good they are to use" because there are alternatives.

Now let's go back to the original point of you not happy with me saying "never buy and use them no matter how good they are to use". This question is suppose to make this a wrong thing to say, i suppose? It certainly failed to do that. But it is still a valid question but totally another topic

You're a master avoider! :) I give up!

I was first to bring up that, of course, there are many alternatives and it's great, you don't need to stress that point any more than you have already in order to avoid my simple question, nor do you have to answer it, though I would have liked to know if you prefer aesthetics or function...

I'm not "not happy" about what you said and it's not wrong to say what you said, it just supposed that you prefer aesthetics over function, which is your right if that's the case, just wanted some clarification, but I'm not getting clear answers. I'm guessing the answer is yes?

If it's a valid question like you said, please answer it! Or I can create a specific post lol, although it certainly is not off topic since it's design over function, something you chose to distinguish very clearly in your OP.
 
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There is nothing wrong in my speech. Its fair and tolerant all the way.
Wrong interpretations do not help the freedom of speech.
I don't care at all about your gender and its out of discussion. I'm good with it, whatever..

Even though, you did not enjoy my joke on gender and freedom of speech, I appreciate the fact that you are bothered by the gender non-sense, though you brought up the topic in the first place. I don't really understand how this nonsensical example is associated to what you are trying yo say.

I'm not denying the the job of a visual designers is a hard job to do. I'm just adding my observation that I don't think there is a direct relationship between how good a player plays and how much the player cares about the appearance. A person could be from beginner to advanced while still have any level of standard on visual design.
 
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How dear you assume my gender. I Identify as an opening attacking top spin. Who needs freedom of speech. If you don't comply with my speech you are oppressing minority!:mad:

There is nothing wrong in my speech. Its fair and tolerant all the way.
Wrong interpretations do not help the freedom of speech.
I don't care at all about your gender and its out of discussion. I'm good with it, whatever.
What I did is to give an example about the visual designers challenges in the modern world.
All I stated is real in that modern world and many specialists in different fields do work hard to meet and answer these challenges. Closing eyes, ears amd mouth doesn't help.

Just to clarify, the whole phrase by nivekkan was a meme based joke. He was not really accusing you.

It was pretty funny actually :p
 
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You're a master avoider! :) I give up!
I would say the dodging skills are at 9/10.

But you didn’t give up also, did you?

Both very sneaky, great thread!
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To me the funny part of caring about appearance is that, when you play, there are rubbers on the blade face, so, no matter how nice the blade face looks, it is covered, and when you play, your hand is on the handle, so, regardless of how the handle looks, it is covered as well.

The shape of the handle, how the handle feels in your hand, the kind of wood used, how well it absorbs sweat while you are playing so your grip can be relaxed but firm....those things matter to me about the handle.

The ply construction, how thick the blade is, what kinds of wood are used, the size of the blade face, how much flex, how the wood feels on ball contact, speed, dwell time, ease of control, linearity....these things matter to me.

Things like:

A faster blade makes it so you get more of a speed/spin ratio, so you get less arc and more speed, and this makes it harder to land the ball closer to the net (easier to land the ball near the end line) which makes it harder to create bigger angles and so, makes your game rely more on speed and power between the side lines of the table.

A slower blade with more flex and dwell time makes it so you can have a higher spin/speed ration so you get more spin and more arc on your shots which makes it easier to land the ball closer to the net when you want and create bigger angles. This also makes it so you can place the ball better and move people around more.

I also find interesting how as a result of the construction of the plies, the kind of glue used, wood treatments, the thickness of the plies, you can make a blade faster/slower, more/less dwell time, more/less spin, more/less flex.

When you understand the kinds of feeling you get from different woods like Hinoki, Limba, Koto....etc, you start having actual things to choose from that will effect your play.

I am interested in that. I don't care what the pros use. I do know what I like. I know I like softer woods like Limba and Hinoki for my top ply. I know I can play with harder woods like Koto, Rosewood, Ebony, etc, but I know I don't enjoy it anywhere near as much. And I know I can do so much more with softer woods to bend the ball to my will.

To me, spin is the most important part of what I want from the equipment. I am strong enough to supply the power with a moderate speed blade. And with a blade that is a moderate speed, it allows me to add so much more spin and do so many more things with the ball that make it awkward for the opponent. Especially when we are talking about hooking a loop wide to the FH side and how that can make a player more uncomfortable.

But from an aesthetic standpoint, I like wood with wood stain, that could be how Ross Leidy uses colored wood stain to create different colors (as in the photos of his blades I posted earlier in this thread), or it could be simple shades of brown. But I don't like the kinds of colors most major TT brands use on the woods in their handles for the reason that, when you really use your equipment and play hard and sweat hard, those colors fade and then they start looking not good at all.

But, still, I am really unconcerned by the aesthetics of what my hand and my rubber are hiding when I hold my racket. :)
 
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The shape of the handle, how the handle feels in your hand, the kind of wood used, how well it absorbs sweat while you are playing so your grip can be relaxed but firm....those things matter to me about the handle.
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Since you mentioned it, those blades you posted look pretty indeed, but I have a feeling those shiny handles would feel bad in hand, especially when the sweat comes in. Have you tested it?

Also, how the non-laminated wood handle on the Virtuoso+ (or in general) behaves on this matter?
 
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To me the funny part of caring about appearance is that, when you play, there are rubbers on the blade face, so, no matter how nice the blade face looks, it is covered, and when you play, your hand is on the handle, so, regardless of how the handle looks, it is covered as well.

It is very much true but just the snippets moment when I pick it out from the case, put it back into the case and clean the rubbers gives me enough time to feel the visual elements of it.


after a month of play my sweat will wash away 40% of the wood dye anyway. And when those colored woods fade, it looks sad.

It didn't happen to my old DHS pre-made which I definitely used for more than half a year and it is made of coloured wood. The colour is darker than the brand new colour but I can still see a well-defined outline of separate chunks of colour. I suppose I'm luck that my palm don't sweat as much.


I am interested in that. I don't care what the pros use. I do know what I like. I know I like softer woods like Limba and Hinoki for my top ply. I know I can play with harder woods like Koto, Rosewood, Ebony, etc, but I know I don't enjoy it anywhere near as much. And I know I can do so much more with softer woods to bend the ball to my will.
I'm going to play with hard rubber in the foreseeable future so me too is very unlikely to get a blade with hard top ply. Although, I don't know what it is like and whether it is good to play with a hard sponge without Chinese tacky topsheet. An example would be MX-P 50 deg. version.

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I like blades that I feel I can go into battle with, bang up, and not worry what they look like when they are banged up. A blade with some battle scars, a blade that wears the battle scars well....I like that.

This is an interesting view that I can relate to at some level but the part of me that enjoy some more extra design overwrites the part of me that feels bothersome to have that level of design most of the time.
 
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Since you mentioned it, those blades you posted look pretty indeed, but I have a feeling those shiny handles would feel bad in hand, especially when the sweat comes in. Have you tested it?

Also, how the non-laminated wood handle on the Virtuoso+ (or in general) behaves on this matter?

Truthfully, Ross Leidy's blades feel amazing in every way.

But there is no handle I have ever played that I like as much as the handles from my OSP blades.

And I am not quite sure what you mean by laminated or not laminated.

Here. A few angles on the handle of my Virtuoso Plus:

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It is entertaining, the dings and nicks and bangs in my handle, they are not as easy to see or as handsome in the photos as they are in person. :)
 
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You're a master avoider! :) I give up!
I'm not "not happy" about what you said and it's not wrong to say what you said, it just supposed that you prefer aesthetics over function, which is your right if that's the case, just wanted some clarification, but I'm not getting clear answers. I'm guessing the answer is yes?

So from what I understand so far of what you want from my answer is that, you don't actually want to know what I would do in real life when choosing blades. Since I won't even get myself in the situation where a have to choose between functionality and appearance due to the unlimited alternatives as I explained before.

You want me to stay in rule of the game, which is a hypothetical situation where there are only two blades to choose from in this universe. One for functionality only and another is for appearance only.

First of all, it is an absurd hypothesis that I wouldn't have come up with by myself. But let me break it down.

look only: It would make the act of playing table tennis not fun because I would not be able to execute the shot the way I want. So I would not even picked up the sport of table tennis in the first place.

functionality only: I would still play table tennis with a very strong urge to throw it in the bin every time I see it and make my way to get a better looking blade. However the god of this universe forbid people from getting a blade that both play well and look good for some reason according to your rules.

So it becomes a question of whether you want to die before you are born or live the rest of your life with the pain of terminal cancer.
That is a serious mind f^ck question that you are asking here. Honestly, I don't even know the answer.
 
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And I am not quite sure what you mean by laminated or not laminated.

By laminated wood I’m referring to the majority of handles that are made of “strips” of wood glued together to make a piece, instead of actual solid wood, like Virtuoso and the ones you posted.

Like this:

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I have the impression that these would deal better with sweat absorption, but that’s only a guess.
 
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Here. A few angles on the handle of my Virtuoso Plus:

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It is entertaining, the dings and nicks and bangs in my handle, they are not as easy to see or as handsome in the photos as they are in person. :)

Speaking of pretty blades…


Oh man, that’s way too pretty. The one blade that puts my Korbel in check.
 
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By laminated wood I’m referring to the majority of handles that are made of “strips” of wood glued together to make a piece, instead of actual solid wood, like Virtuoso and the ones you posted.

Like this:

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I have the impression that these would deal better with sweat absorption, but that’s only a guess.

The photos of my handle show that there are 4 plies on each side of the handle. So, 8 total if you don't count the 5 plies of the blade face. 13 if you do. :)

The photo of the Viscaria has 5. (10 for both sides, 17 with the plies of the blade). So, the Viscaria's handle actually only has one more ply on each side of the handle.

I would say, without question, I like a Viscaria handle, but nowhere near as much as the OSP handle. And the OSP handle is made of wood that is so much better than the wood of any mass produced blade I have tried. Those little dings I have gotten on my OSP handle would have resulted in massive chunks from a Viscaria's handle.
 
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