Anders Lind “get a professional racket ASAP”

[Heming Hu]

Anders Lind “get a professional racket ASAP if you care about table tennis”

I said something like this a while ago

Received a lot of backlash “heming doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he’s never coached a beginner”

I wonder if you guys still feel this way after this Anders Lind video

Price aside (that’s a different issue) then the cheap and medium rackets aren’t even the same sport as playing with a proper professional racket. Going from 1 prof racket to another (I.e viscaria to boll alc, dignics to hurricane) will not be any problem solver for club level players hoping for that “extra edge” instead of fixing their skill issues

However, we’ve All played with those high school rackets that are trash and can’t get any grip. Yep, don’t even use that as player even remotely serious about improving tt

 

[NetProphet]

I don't know who said what back when but I'd agree completely, going from a premade to Rakza 7s on a decent blade was the biggest jump in equipment I've made and also the thing that enabled the biggest jump in my game, no question.
It's also the reason why I always give my 2c in all the threads in here from beginners asking for racket advice, it can actually help.

So if serious, definitely yes, get a decent racket and set about learning how to use it. You don't have to go crazy price wise but decent (tensors or Chinese) rubbers on the right blade csn make the world of difference.

 

[NextLevel]

Here is the original thread, people can read it and see if Heming is describing what other people said fairly or not (or whether they even described his position fairly as well).

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/heming-hu-on-equipment.34290/

 

[Marc]

I saw that vid today and it's an interesting debate.
The subject comes up in all sports including golf, motorcycles etc. With motorcycles, it's not only safety that's a factor but the heavier weight and power. I met a guy at a local meetup place who had a very fast sport bike as his first bike and I know people that do this almost always take corners extra slow because of weight and power. He would have been better off buying a 400cc and training on that until he was ready to move up. Even guys with high skill levels will also have 400 cc bikes to also train on.
With golf for example I played with the same clubs Tiger used for a while. Mizuno mp4, which were not ideal for my skill level although I could play with them fairly well but the heads were very small and very heavy. The larger heads with full or half cavity back were better for my level and switched.
I think Anders should have a 7 ply blade with his name on it to offer along side his off+ blade.
Bottom line, experiment, do what you think is best and have fun.

 

[NetProphet]

I saw that vid today and it's an interesting debate.
The subject comes up in all sports including golf, motorcycles etc. With motorcycles, it's not only safety that's a factor but the heavier weight and power. I met a guy at a local meetup place who had a very fast sport bike as his first bike and I know people that do this almost always take corners extra slow because of weight and power. He would have been better off buying a 400cc and training on that until he was ready to move up. Even guys with high skill levels will also have 400 cc bikes to also train on.
With golf for example I played with the same clubs Tiger used for a while. Mizuno mp4, which were not ideal for my skill level although I could play with them fairly well but the heads were very small and very heavy. The larger heads with full or half cavity back were better for my level and switched.
I think Anders should have a 7 ply blade with his name on it to offer along side his off+ blade.
Bottom line, experiment, do what you think is best and have fun. View attachment 35318

Yes. Your motorcycle analogy I understand as I also ride but it's slightly different in that I would only compare this TT debate to track riding where you can actually measure your progress in lines and seconds rather than just riding where (as I see it) the only aim is to reach the destination safely as you have fun.

On your other analogy I will only say lucky you to be good enough at golf to notice what equipment does. I like golf too but haven't played it in 20 years but never got good enough to where equipment would have made any difference 😂
I'll just stick with the TT!

 

[mightymouse]

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Sorry to be out of topic here.
But your Yasaka W7 has different lens compared to mine. Is it the standard product available now in the store?

Thank you

 

[Marc]

Sorry to be out of topic here.
But your Yasaka W7 has different lens compared to mine. Is it the standard product available now in the store?

Thank you

Yes it's the new one. Everything else is the same.

 

[joshmak10]

Getting even a cheap "professional" blade like the Neotecc Voodoo Classic as an example (shoutout TT11) with cheap "professional" rubbers like Xiom Vega Intro, Butterfly Rozena, or any Chinese rubber is far far far better than the most expensive premades.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Here is the original thread, people can read it and see if Heming is describing what other people said fairly or not (or whether they even described his position fairly as well).

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/heming-hu-on-equipment.34290/

I remember that thread, I just went through it twice.
if Hu was indeed referring to that thread, then where in that thread did users from TTD talk about using pre-made rackets?
Sriver, Mark V??? is called pre-mades?

He did quote in post 64, so if people said he never coached beginners.. .he himself said he do not take on beginners..... so.... lol.

"I do NOT take on absolute beginners and professional players as clients - They are not my favourite type of players to coach for various reasons. As such, yes the advice of me saying "start on pricey equipment, may be subjective"

 

[NextLevel]

I remember that thread, I just went through it twice.
if Hu was indeed referring to that thread, then where in that thread did users from TTD talk about using hobby rackets?
Sriver, Mark V???

He did quote in post 64:
"I do NOT take on absolute beginners and professional players as clients - They are not my favourite type of players to coach for various reasons. As such, yes the advice of me saying "start on pricey equipment, may be subjective"

Not everyone is a fan of nuance, but it was a very nuanced discussion. Anders Lind says "get to professional racket as fast as possible" - what that means will vary from person to person, especially beginners or experienced beginners who have not progressed. I am convinced this kind of posting is about "any publicity is good publicity".

 

[Gozo Aruna]

Not too long ago I had a casual player walked into my club with a premade bat. Later, while I was resting in between games he requested to try hitting with my set-up.

He was amazed at how different it felt: Speed 90 with both side Tenergy does give out those special je ne seis quoi.

 

[blahness]

Can't play the modern game with premade bats unless you just plan to be a pushblocker.

That said, it doesn't need to be too expensive - if you see the video, the $100 racket actually fared really well.

But personally I like my expensive setup and am not gonna change it hahah.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Not too long ago I had a casual player walked into my club with a premade bat. Later, while I was resting in between games he requested to try hitting with my set-up.

He was amazed at how different it felt: Speed 90 with both side Tenergy does give out those special je ne seis quoi.

and another way around, one of my mates who is now coaching more than playing, does play with the cheapest ITTF approve pre-made he can find.
i think it is like less than 10USD, or maybe even 5 USD.
Lion 3 star or something like that.

He is about 2300 in his peak, he has now tripled in weight, doubled in age, you name it, and he still beat USATT 1800 players with that bat.

He actually said, it requires a heck lot of attention.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

The Brits says, " manners maketh the man. "

The Italians says, " the clothes maketh the man. "

This Dane, who has beaten Wang Chuqin says, equipment maketh the player. "

 

[kapahoo]

The Brits says, " manners maketh the man. "

The Italians says, " the clothes maketh the man. "

This Dane, who has beaten Wang Chuqin says, equipment maketh the player. "

The same dane who would beat 99 % of the table tennis players in the world with a mobile phone...

 

[thisisit]

Anders Lind “get a professional racket ASAP if you care about table tennis”

I said something like this a while ago

Received a lot of backlash “heming doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he’s never coached a beginner”

I wonder if you guys still feel this way after this Anders Lind video

Price aside (that’s a different issue) then the cheap and medium rackets aren’t even the same sport as playing with a proper professional racket. Going from 1 prof racket to another (I.e viscaria to boll alc, dignics to hurricane) will not be any problem solver for club level players hoping for that “extra edge” instead of fixing their skill issues

However, we’ve All played with those high school rackets that are trash and can’t get any grip. Yep, don’t even use that as player even remotely serious about improving tt

is this vid implying a(non existent) linear correlation between price of equipment and performance? yes!
is this vid an ad? yes!
is the info in this vid true? yes!

 

[NetProphet]

is this vid implying a(non existent) linear correlation between price of equipment and performance? yes!
is this vid an ad? yes!
is the info in this vid true? yes!

Well the correlation between price and performance only exists IF you have the ability to access the extra performance.
I think that point that holds true for equipment and is what many people miss in believing expensive equipment will simply (automatically) make them better players.

 

[Tyce]

Getting even a cheap "professional" blade like the Neotecc Voodoo Classic as an example (shoutout TT11) with cheap "professional" rubbers like Xiom Vega Intro, Butterfly Rozena, or any Chinese rubber is far far far better than the most expensive premades.

I'll up this one
Getting a cheap 5ply and 2x ak47 from Aliexpress for the price of 1 sheet of Rozena is still miles better than premades.

 

[Lazer]

Anders Lind “get a professional racket ASAP if you care about table tennis”

I said something like this a while ago

Received a lot of backlash “heming doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he’s never coached a beginner”

I wonder if you guys still feel this way after this Anders Lind video

Price aside (that’s a different issue) then the cheap and medium rackets aren’t even the same sport as playing with a proper professional racket. Going from 1 prof racket to another (I.e viscaria to boll alc, dignics to hurricane) will not be any problem solver for club level players hoping for that “extra edge” instead of fixing their skill issues

However, we’ve All played with those high school rackets that are trash and can’t get any grip. Yep, don’t even use that as player even remotely serious about improving tt

I find this video ridiculous of course he will have problems to play with the "high school rackets", he is used to his top quality "race car". This doesn't mean anybody could use it. I don't think anybody is recommending a "high school" racket, but a higher end premade is fine to begin with, no point in spending too much money before you know what You will like...

Cheers
L-zr

 

[joshmak10]

I find this video ridiculous of course he will have problems to play with the "high school rackets", he is used to his top quality "race car". This doesn't mean anybody could use it. I don't think anybody is recommending a "high school" racket, but a higher end premade is fine to begin with, no point in spending too much money before you know what You will like...

Cheers
L-zr

But knowing there are way better custom rackets for far cheaper, I see absolutely no point buying a premade unless your ultra casual barely knows the rules serves illegally type player