Andro NUZN 55 vs DHS Hurricane 3 Neo Provincial

I have been considering getting an alternate setup to my Hurricane King acB with H3N Provincial Rubbers both sides (40 BS FH and 38 OS BH). My eye is on the Andro Syntelliac VCI blade with Andro NUZN 55 rubbers both sides. How different is NUZN 55 from H3, and will it be too fast or too different characteristics? NUZN looks like a fantastic hybrid rubber but I want to know how comparable it is to a boosted H3 and how much control and spin it has, which is something i love about H3
 

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nuzn is completely different then h3. a lot of german players that hated hybrids before now switched to nuzn. and in 55 it is definitely a pro player rubber. you should better get 50 to get anything out of this setup. but that would still be overkill for most people together with the vco (not only due to the price)
 
nuzn is completely different then h3. a lot of german players that hated hybrids before now switched to nuzn. and in 55 it is definitely a pro player rubber. you should better get 50 to get anything out of this setup. but that would still be overkill for most people together with the vco (not only due to the price)
I wanted the vci actually, since I like inner carbon blades more. I think nuzn 50 degrees ESN is still a little soft for me considering I am coming from H3 no? But I am assuming you think that nuzn 55 is a rocket ship speed then?
 

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I wanted the vci actually, since I like inner carbon blades more. I think nuzn 50 degrees ESN is still a little soft for me considering I am coming from H3 no? But I am assuming you think that nuzn 55 is a rocket ship speed then?
oh sorry, but yes still a super fast blade. maybe not a rocket ship, but people i know that switched to that rubber played rasanter 53 or evolution mx-d before. but since butterfly is more common here, dignics 05 would be the right comparison.
 
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Like @K.K mentioned, NUZN 55 is a completely different rubber. Maybe it will be silimair to H3 in terms or hardness and arc. But the similarities end there. I wouldn't call the NUZN a hybrid rubber. If you were to compare NUZN to Dignics, it would be closer to 05 then 09C.

The blade is also different. I would say its more similair to a Butterfly Innerforce ALC, but slightly slower. Although the Hurricane acB is also an inner ALC blade, it has a Koto top-ply if I am not mistaken, so wi will give a different feel.

Nontheless it could be a great setup once you get used to it. The acB + H3 is quite a demanding setup to get the most out of it. With the VCI + NUZN his will be easier. I would reccommend the 50 degree version though.

But like I said, you will need to get used to this, and it will probably take a while coming from a very different setup. But once you are used to it, it will probably play great.
 
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Like @K.K mentioned, NUZN 55 is a completely different rubber. Maybe it will be silimair to H3 in terms or hardness and arc. But the similarities end there. I wouldn't call the NUZN a hybrid rubber. If you were to compare NUZN to Dignics, it would be closer to 05 then 09C.

The blade is also different. I would say its more similair to a Butterfly Innerforce ALC, but slightly slower. Although the Hurricane acB is also an inner ALC blade, it has a Koto top-ply if I am not mistaken, so wi will give a different feel.

Nontheless it could be a great setup once you get used to it. The acB + H3 is quite a demanding setup to get the most out of it. With the VCI + NUZN his will be easier. I would reccommend the 50 degree version though.

But like I said, you will need to get used to this, and it will probably take a while coming from a very different setup. But once you are used to it, it will probably play great.
Is NUZN not sticky at all? It seems from most reviews it is, but yeah I picked a slower blade vci since I have acb which is faster. It should be easier for me to play with the nuzn setup because i have a bad right knee plus I am 6 foot 2 so it’s not always the best choice for me to play H3 all the time. Nuzn seems very promising to me
 
oh sorry, but yes still a super fast blade. maybe not a rocket ship, but people i know that switched to that rubber played rasanter 53 or evolution mx-d before. but since butterfly is more common here, dignics 05 would be the right comparison.
So Nuzn is not sticky?

Also the vci probably won’t feel fast to me compared to my acB. Even dan says that the vci seems quite slow compared to a Harimoto Innerforce alc
 

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So Nuzn is not sticky?

Also the vci probably won’t feel fast to me compared to my acB. Even dan says that the vci seems quite slow compared to a Harimoto Innerforce alc
not sticky compared to chinese rubbers.
some friends of mine play with that blade and it is definitely a fast innercarbon blade! comparing to harimoto i think it is more about the weight and the headsize if there is a difference in speed. VCI is quite light around 83g. if you would get a harimoto in that weight it will be slower.
 

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Is NUZN not sticky at all? It seems from most reviews it is, but yeah I picked a slower blade vci since I have acb which is faster. It should be easier for me to play with the nuzn setup because i have a bad right knee plus I am 6 foot 2 so it’s not always the best choice for me to play H3 all the time. Nuzn seems very promising to me
if you have bad knees then you should seriously avoid h3. health is more important then looking fancy with pro rubbers! you should even avoid nuzn50 and play something that helps you create some power like vega x or nittaku g-1
 
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Is NUZN not sticky at all? It seems from most reviews it is, but yeah I picked a slower blade vci since I have acb which is faster. It should be easier for me to play with the nuzn setup because i have a bad right knee plus I am 6 foot 2 so it’s not always the best choice for me to play H3 all the time. Nuzn seems very promising to me
As a 6.2 player with an injured right knee myself, I just opted to play with softer Hurricanes (or Jupiters) on a blade with outer carbon. It shortens the required strokes to produce decent speed/spin, makes it much easier to play.

Personally, I have also considered trying NUZN 55 thanks to its praised spin. But all my previous experiments (K3, D09C, MK, Rasanter C) led me to believe nothing can replace or compare to H3N, it's just unparalleled. And the €80 price point doesn't make the experiment enticing either xD
 
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Is NUZN not sticky at all? It seems from most reviews it is, but yeah I picked a slower blade vci since I have acb which is faster. It should be easier for me to play with the nuzn setup because i have a bad right knee plus I am 6 foot 2 so it’s not always the best choice for me to play H3 all the time. Nuzn seems very promising to me
It is a bit sticky and it comes with a film, but not too much. Its enough tot pick the ball up by maybe an inch off the table, but the ball doesnt stick to the rubber.
See it for yourself:
 

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As a 6.2 player with an injured right knee myself, I just opted to play with softer Hurricanes (or Jupiters) on a blade with outer carbon. It shortens the required strokes to produce decent speed/spin, makes it much easier to play.

Personally, I have also considered trying NUZN 55 thanks to its praised spin. But all my previous experiments (K3, D09C, MK, Rasanter C) led me to believe nothing can replace or compare to H3N, it's just unparalleled. And the €80 price point doesn't make the experiment enticing either xD
but even soft chinese rubber are still demanding to play compared to cheap tensor rubbers like vega x. most players i know that have or had an injury switched their equipment, some even to pips. so really would like to know how you do it. do you play league matches?
 
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but even soft chinese rubber are still demanding to play compared to cheap tensor rubbers like vega x. most players i know that have or had an injury switched their equipment, some even to pips. so really would like to know how you do it. do you play league matches?
Well, the injury is fairly tame and only requires a knee bandage. It's about a four-to-five division level league, the whole game is about stable spin 2-3 steps away from the table, just spinning and praying the opponent fails xD
From my experience, boosted 37-38 Hurricanes require about 20-30cm arm movement to produce good spin, while the boosted 39-40 versions require 50-60cm arm movement respectively (I didn't consider the added arm movement to the head after hitting the ball, which is necessary for Hurricanes). I know 39-40-41 Hurricanes produce much more venomous attacks, but these rubbers are too demanding and unforgiving for my liking--you gotta be a pro athlete to continuously attack with these.

You're very right about Vega tho, this is the only tensor rubber I felt confident with to produce quality spin consistently. I have always believed that once I become older, I would switch to Yinhe Saturn Pro (the easiest tacky rubbers to play with from my experience), but now I believe Vega could be the new favorite :)
 
if you have bad knees then you should seriously avoid h3. health is more important then looking fancy with pro rubbers! you should even avoid nuzn50 and play something that helps you create some power like vega x or nittaku g-1
Well I just have had to wear a knee brace for the past few weeks. It should be better with rest. I don’t like the feeling of soft tensor rubbers, they feel like bottom out very easy.
 

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Well I just have had to wear a knee brace for the past few weeks. It should be better with rest. I don’t like the feeling of soft tensor rubbers, they feel like bottom out very easy.
i read this sentence very often in this forum and i really don’t know what to do with, because i know a lot of high level players that play second bundesliga wich is a translated level of 2500+ usatt and all of them play normal tensor rubbers like mx-p, tenergy 05 and rasanter 48 from the shelf. they have unbelievable power and if they are not able to bottom out a rubber, i really don’t know if that is actually something to worry about, especially as an beginner
 
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but even soft chinese rubber are still demanding to play compared to cheap tensor rubbers like vega x. most players i know that have or had an injury switched their equipment, some even to pips. so really would like to know how you do it. do you play league matches?

Two things that need to be considered here:
1. if one cannot or does not use legs, hips, body rotation etc. properly for looping which muscles/body parts will most likely be (over)used? Usually shoulders and maybe elbows and wrists. Tensor rubbers don't help with these issues and they also need proper technique to get good spin and therefore ball control.
2. what is the average rally length in TT? Three to four contacts. This usually means that these shots are played close(r) to the table and not that much movement is needed (which is also needed with tensor rubbers). Where do Chinese rubbers like the H3 shine? Serve, serve receive/short game, (counter) looping.

If one is forced to play far/further behind the table than H3 and the likes can be more demanding (or if there is not much spin and speed to work with) but closer to the table the advantages simply outweigh these disadvantages.

i read this sentence very often in this forum and i really don’t know what to do with, because i know a lot of high level players that play second bundesliga wich is a translated level of 2500+ usatt and all of them play normal tensor rubbers like mx-p, tenergy 05 and rasanter 48 from the shelf. they have unbelievable power and if they are not able to bottom out a rubber, i really don’t know if that is actually something to worry about, especially as an beginner

These players can easily bottom out such rubbers 1) but they often don't need to because there's enough incoming spin and speed to work with.

1) see e.g. Kreanga who is still using T05FX on his backhand but he is used to play with such soft rubbers and knows how to deal with them bottoming out. I can't stand the feeling if a rubber changes throw etc. when bottoming out
 
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i read this sentence very often in this forum and i really don’t know what to do with, because i know a lot of high level players that play second bundesliga wich is a translated level of 2500+ usatt and all of them play normal tensor rubbers like mx-p, tenergy 05 and rasanter 48 from the shelf. they have unbelievable power and if they are not able to bottom out a rubber, i really don’t know if that is actually something to worry about, especially as an beginner
It’s all really about comfortability with the rubber. I’m more used to and like harder rubbers with some stickiness rather than the smooth tensor rubbers that are softer. I prefer the spin and control you get from hard sticky rubbers than the bouncier tensors
 
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i read this sentence very often in this forum and i really don’t know what to do with, because i know a lot of high level players that play second bundesliga wich is a translated level of 2500+ usatt and all of them play normal tensor rubbers like mx-p, tenergy 05 and rasanter 48 from the shelf. they have unbelievable power and if they are not able to bottom out a rubber, i really don’t know if that is actually something to worry about, especially as an beginner
Just curious, who are some of them?
 
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