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No, definitely not: I've used a Butterfly Omar Assar for some time, and even with years and years of experience, it was too much for me. And expecially with those Rasanters R series that are damn bouncy ! specially in the Ultramax thickness. The Andro treiber CI OFF is exactly the same as the BTY OA, it's in the 1350 -1400 hz range, reduce to 1250 hz and it will be perfect for you, if you want to go carbon, the Donic Waldner Senso Carbon is the way to go, without carbon the Yasaka Sweden Extra will do a perfect job.
 
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No, definitely not: I've used a Butterfly Omar Assar for some time, and even with years and years of experience, it was too much for me. And expecially with those Rasanters R series that are damn bouncy ! specially in the Ultramax thickness. The Andro treiber CI OFF is exactly the same as the BTY OA, it's in the 1350 -1400 hz range, reduce to 1250 hz and it will be perfect for you, if you want to go carbon, the Donic Waldner Senso Carbon is the way to go, without carbon the Yasaka Sweden Extra will do a perfect job.
I agree with this, use a slower blade because you are still improving and don't need a faster blade :)
 

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Hey! I do agree with both the guys above, it's probably best at the moment to go for something a little more controlled while still developing your technical skills. I would usually recommend players stick to an all wood blade until you have good fundamentals. Of course it always comes down to personal feel and preference in the longer run when you improve further :)
 
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No, definitely not: I've used a Butterfly Omar Assar for some time, and even with years and years of experience, it was too much for me. And expecially with those Rasanters R series that are damn bouncy ! specially in the Ultramax thickness. The Andro treiber CI OFF is exactly the same as the BTY OA, it's in the 1350 -1400 hz range, reduce to 1250 hz and it will be perfect for you, if you want to go carbon, the Donic Waldner Senso Carbon is the way to go, without carbon the Yasaka Sweden Extra will do a perfect job.
According to this Database the Andro Treiber CI OFF is at 1330 Hz (still quite fast)
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I have no idea how accurate the data is.
 
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Hi guys, im a developing beginner-intermediate player - looper. I just want to know if the Andro Treiber CI Off is good for Andro R42 Max both wings. Thanks guys
Another good idea would be to try different blades. What blade and rubbers do you currently use? Do you already use the Andro R42? If you want, since you're a developing player I can lend you a blade or something for you to try out since I notice you're in the Philippines like me.
 
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i switched from Pro Black (7 ply) to CI OFF, mainly to reduce the thickness. Speedwise both blades were similar. And i wouldnt mind to give the Pro Black an intermediate player.
 
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According to this Database the Andro Treiber CI OFF is at 1330 Hz (still quite fast)
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I have no idea how accurate the data is.
I've done it quite simple: this database has only one blade registered. So to avoid that I' came to Youtube to record all the guys testing the blade with a ball bouncing on it, the results were more into the 1380 after 4 different videos, some were 1345, others literally 1400 ! bear in mind blades are not that consistent even from manufacturers like Butterfly, the general consensus is that Kevlar carbon inner blades are n the 1350+ zone.
 
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i switched from Pro Black (7 ply) to CI OFF, mainly to reduce the thickness. Speedwise both blades were similar. And i wouldnt mind to give the Pro Black an intermediate player.
I'm about to do something similar, stepping from a Clipper wood to the Treiber CI OFF, I hope it's not too much
 
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Hi guys, im a developing beginner-intermediate player - looper. I just want to know if the Andro Treiber CI Off is good for Andro R42 Max both wings. Thanks guys
Butterfly SK7 or other blades with a classic "loop" composition (Limba and ayous or even hinoki plys) will fit perfectly. if you want a carbon blade, i'll recommend something with soft carbon or alc, cuz it will not affect the feeling that much.
 

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I actually just did a test, using my Iphone and a sound analyzer software.
I used 2 different ball brands and the results are similar.
Stiga Clipper Wood: ~1250 Hz
Andro Treiber CI/OFF: ~1460 Hz!
A friend's Stiga Carbonado 190: ~1380 Hz.
I wonder how's that possibile? The Treiber CI/OFF faster than the Carbonado 190?
 
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I actually just did a test, using my Iphone and a sound analyzer software.
I used 2 different ball brands and the results are similar.
Stiga Clipper Wood: ~1250 Hz
Andro Treiber CI/OFF: ~1460 Hz!
A friend's Stiga Carbonado 190: ~1380 Hz.
I wonder how's that possibile? The Treiber CI/OFF faster than the Carbonado 190?
That might be possible, as I've said consistency and wood manufacturing/design sometimes bring surprises. Being a musician since a very young age, and having bought custom instruments made for me many times, and also comparing our views and feelings with other musicians and friends, and of course luthiers, there are of course some guidelines to get the right instruments, but there are surprises also.

When you get a custom blade supposed to be at least 1250 Hz that is only 1170 after 2 months of use after receiving it, that's a "surprise". Marcus Miller has been buying in the last decade dozens of 1975 to 1978 Fender Jazz Basses with ash bodies and maple necks to get only 2 or 3 that would match the tone of the one he plays since 45 years !

EDIT: and believe it or not, brokenball will correct me if I'm wrong, but even in electronics you can get some inconsistencies. There are 2 notorious NYC pro jazz bassists I know who have been influencing the secondhand market for a single effect pedal: the BOSS OC-2.

There have been multiple iterations of that pedals made in Japan until 1986, and then in Taïwan. The Made In Japan is supposed to be better, but still... those two guys have found that the MIJ era OC-2s had differences in tone between them ! still... after giving some of them to the 3Leaf Audio guru boutique pedals maker for further inspections, Spencer Doren found nothing different with the PCB, wiring or even components ! the only differences he noticed were the components being different with the Made In Taïwan ones. But he agreed that some of the MIJ pedals sometimes sounded "surprising" ...
 
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I think deriving a blade´s characteristics only from the frequency can be misleading.
And shouldn´t for that comparison all blades tested be at least the same weight?

Treiber CI as an inner carbon blade should provide good enough touch and not be an awful lot faster than a Clipper or SK7 of the same weight.

Whether R42 ULTRAMAX is the perfect choice I am not so sure, though.
How about a thinner sponge, or a slighty harder but more easily controllable rubber like Hexer Grip?

In that case at least, the Treiber would be a nice basis for further development.
 
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