Backhand Rubber Suggestion

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I would not go with a tacky rubber. Maybe a Mark V. It’s slow it’s harder and linear, has good spin capabilities…

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Could you elaborate on why not tacky? They seems to provide more control in general. Requiring more strength is the only downside I can think of right now.

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i mirror the recommendation to us a hard and possibly sticky rubber on the backhand.
Good examples are:

Glayzer 09c
Rakza Z
Nittaku PK50
Joola Golden Tango PS.

Of these rubbers only the PK50 and the Glayzer 09c are available in thicknesses below 2.0mm. i would personally either go with the PK50 in 1.8/1.9 or the the Rakza Z in 2.0 simply because the opponent can not serve so hard that it flies out of the table. Basically just holding the racket neutral will probably not even have the ball clear the net, so you can decide where to place it.

I was in the same boat as you and these hard rubbers helped me with receiving quite a lot. Now i am better at receiving but still value the controlled attributes these rubbers give you.
Pushing with strong underspin is a breeze with these. One thing that even works against not that advanced players or players that do not see the spin is actually pushing a little higher with strong underspin, so that the ball is aproximately 30-40cm above table height. The opponent will attempt to flip or smash it and fail doing so because the underspin will drag the ball into the net.

At the very beginning this was basically 50% of the points i made. Funnily enough some old dudes told me "you shall not play the ball that high, you will get punished too easily", but the same dudes would blast the ball into the net trying to smash it 90% of the times and i would just smile at them.

of course those balls can get smashed, but you have to stand properly and hit through the spin and that is very hard if you are either not fit enough or not in good position to do so.
 
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Could you elaborate on why not tacky? They seems to provide more control in general. Requiring more strength is the only downside I can think of right now.

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You said it yourself. It requires more strength, also, it requires one to be 'correct' enough in every strokes (at the cost of stamina)

Why non-tacky/grippy? Because it's less sensitive to spin, which helps develop better fundamental and feeling. One might think it won't be spinny enough for generating spin, too bouncy, etc, but trust me, one coach who taught me using short pips on forehand (and until now, it sort of 'messing up' my strokes. Even now using chinese tacky rubbers on both sides, if I'm too lazy, or too exhausted, I simply whack the ball short pips-esque, and somehow it works. Theoretically it's possible and easier than using short pips :ROFLMAO:), he uses coppa jo silver for his backhand (even refuses to use any other rubber, even his students offer to buy him one. He just trust it so much after all), and he can produce spin equal to his mates who are using newer-generation rubbers.

No matter what one is using, it's all about how one's train and grind to maximize what is used (says I, who currently in a dilemma between keep using composite blades, or back to 7-ply allwood :ROFLMAO:)
 
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Could you elaborate on why not tacky? They seems to provide more control in general. Requiring more strength is the only downside I can think of right now.

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Because a tacky rubber more often than not requires a harder shot. This is the point. You have something that is too fast for you. I suggest a Mark V. Harder, slower and a capacity for good spin.

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Isn't it better to go for some beginner's tensor eraser today than the MARK V?

Xiom vega intro, for example.
 
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Mark V lasts longer. It all depends. If you want something slow and spinny Mark V it’s a good choice. A good progression from beginner is:
Mark V -> Mark V HPS -> Rakza 7.
Or maybe the blade is too fast, so go with a slower blade…

I have no problem using Mark V on a fast blade like my Tibhar 3ply hinoki…

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I currently have a MARK V on my backhand on a Donic Appelgren Allplay racquet. And I have to say it's very slow one has to work a lot on the point. But the confidence there is unreal. Now I'll try the Xiom vega Intro and see.
 
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Appelgren all play is the slowest of slow blades. In my club beginners are recommended that blade together with Mark V or a Donic equivalent.

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I often wonder if slower balde with good feel + faster rubber is better. Or faster blade and slower rubber
 
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I often wonder if slower balde with good feel + faster rubber is better. Or faster blade and slower rubber
It depends on your level of play. At the initial stage, it is better to have a not fast sensitive blade, which will help to feel the ball better, but with an increase in the level there will be more and more fast powerful balls, with which stiffer blades work better, which have lower sensitivity and higher speed. The feeling of the ball will be increased by the player himself as a result of prolonged exercise.
But in fact, this is a common opinion, which suitable for many, but not sure if it will work for you. Only practice is the criterion of truth. Try it, and practice will show it works for you or not.
 
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I often wonder if slower balde with good feel + faster rubber is better. Or faster blade and slower rubber
I have tried both and I definitely prefer a slower blade with faster rubber. This also gives a bigger spectrum from slow to fast.

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Linear rubbers will give you better control in the short game, and you could try an untacky one like 729 Focus III Snipe, available in 42 & 44deg or Palio AK47 Blue.

Tacky, harder Chinese rubbers could be good in the short game and service, but these are very spin sensitive and they'll give you a hard time when you want to top spin. So if your backhand technique isn't superb, you could check out the rubbers I first mentioned.

Then there are some really good softer, controllable, tacky Chinese rubbers like 729 Cross General, Giant Dragon Submarine, Yinhe Mercury II and in a really good price range as well.
 
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Hello,

Slightly tacking onto this thread, since this is for backhand rubber. Would these recommendations also work well for learning how to ?loop? or train a backhand using RPB? I'm suffering from tendinitis in right shoulder so wanted to train w/my left using RPB vs right hand SH. (training using Amicus robot, generally)

I had also read in another thread here that 729 Focus III Snipe is reasonable equivalent to Mark V, so that could work. Was hoping to buy multiple Fextra blades on Aliexpress bc Princett is OOS and megaspin wants $33 for theirs. I just received a Ma Lin Extra offensive in CP, but grip is too thick for my old hands, so i'm going to have to sand the heck out of it or find a 5-7ply wood blade in CP with a much smaller handle.

@mocker88, would you recommend the Snipe III for RPB in 42 or 44, if trying to use it as a Mark V replacement?

Finally, I have heard good things about Vega Europe as BH rubber, but $34/sheet at megaspin is a bit more than i would want to spend, if possible.
 
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Hello,

Slightly tacking onto this thread, since this is for backhand rubber. Would these recommendations also work well for learning how to ?loop? or train a backhand using RPB? I'm suffering from tendinitis in right shoulder so wanted to train w/my left using RPB vs right hand SH. (training using Amicus robot, generally)

I had also read in another thread here that 729 Focus III Snipe is reasonable equivalent to Mark V, so that could work. Was hoping to buy multiple Fextra blades on Aliexpress bc Princett is OOS and megaspin wants $33 for theirs. I just received a Ma Lin Extra offensive in CP, but grip is too thick for my old hands, so i'm going to have to sand the heck out of it or find a 5-7ply wood blade in CP with a much smaller handle.

@mocker88, would you recommend the Snipe III for RPB in 42 or 44, if trying to use it as a Mark V replacement?
The 42deg could be a bit slow, so I would go with the 44deg.
Finally, I have heard good things about Vega Europe as BH rubber, but $34/sheet at megaspin is a bit more than i would want to spend, if possible.
 
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I have a serious question:

When I use my BH with full force, I can feel and hear the sound of the ball hitting the wood with a Phak! sound.

I am using Donic Bluefire M1 on my BH. Does this means it is too soft and is bottoming out? Example of BH I am referring to below:

 
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chtt.se does not carry Vega Rubber, unless it goes by a different name.

the have Xiom Vega rubber but only Tau II
 
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