Blade and rubber combos with Butterfly Rozena as backhand

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I want a blade that can help me develop more feeling and get my shots more consistent. would a softer/flexible blade help me achieve what I have stated above?

I am a spin oriented player so speed is secondary, but I don’t want the blade to be TOO slow. Don’t think I mind the handle but I have larger hands so on the larger side maybe?

Some blades I’ve been looking into is the Primorac OFF-, Petr Korbel, Yasaka Ma Lin off, Yasaka Sweden Extra etc but I don’t know which one can give me the most control without comprising on feeling and having too much.

I am also not sure what wood properties these have but I would would a soft to medium, hard flexible (?) blade so I can pair it with harder rubbers like Fastarc G-1, D09C or G09C.

Which of these rubbers would give me control for high spin, or any other rubbers? Maybe D09C is a bit too ambitious? Or so I think
 
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All wood is defintely the call, but why worry about hardness/stiffnes so it pairs well with hard rubbers if your backhand is a soft rubber, just as a side note.

Tried Primorac with Rozena once and hated the vibration. (Im used to carbon)
Korbel or Sweden extra are quite nice and balanced in feel and power, if I remember correctly. Not too stiff, not too hard, works fine with everything. So you should be able to do spinny openups, as you stated in one of your other few threads about this topic before.

Nittaku acoustic was also extremely pleasant for me, did a few topspins and landed everything from everywhere magically.

G1 with 2mm sponge would be my choice if you are still developing, D09C and G09C are likely too hard, and might lead to inconsitent shots.

A new racket won't automatically make you a perfekt player tho, and you need proper training, but this is a solid and controlled Off setup to learn and improve on, while also having enough reserves to be good at higher levels.
 
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All your options are good choices. Pick the one that you like best and it doesn't matter why, could be looks, brand, price, whatever.

And then comes the magic trick...



Stick with it. Use the blade for 3+ years, use the same rubber model for 3+ years and you'll be so intensely one with your bat that you never want to change again.


Also, why yet another thread on the same issue? What is it, 4 now? Just pick something already.
 
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All your options are good choices. Pick the one that you like best and it doesn't matter why, could be looks, brand, price, whatever.

And then comes the magic trick...



Stick with it. Use the blade for 3+ years, use the same rubber model for 3+ years and you'll be so intensely one with your bat that you never want to change again.


Also, why yet another thread on the same issue? What is it, 4 now? Just pick something already.
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The one you put more hours in.

Stop overthinking this, really.
What would be the DIFFERENCE between them in terms of speed, control etc

There is no doubt that putting in the hours will make you better, but without knowing the characteristics of things can help you achieve what you want faster, according to your style and gameplay.
 
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If he were to say one is faster, what does this even mean to you? If you haven't tried even one yet, you are in an almost endless comparison until you know. Or do you just want to choose the one that sound better in your mind?

Usually the differences are pretty negligible if you are able to adapt. To answer your question: Soft cabon is softer, who would have guessed, and therefore more controlled. For speed it's hard to tell, since its rarely linear and depending on how you perceive speed it may be different in your eyes. On slower hits soft can be faster and viceversa on harder hits.

Hope this helps and you can finally choose a blade.
Also why don't you visit a specialised TT shop if you are so in doubt?
 
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If he were to say one is faster, what does this even mean to you? If you haven't tried even one yet, you are in an almost endless comparison until you know. Or do you just want to choose the one that sound better in your mind?

Usually the differences are pretty negligible if you are able to adapt. To answer your question: Soft cabon is softer, who would have guessed, and therefore more controlled. For speed it's hard to tell, since its rarely linear and depending on how you perceive speed it may be different in your eyes. On slower hits soft can be faster and viceversa on harder hits.

Hope this helps and you can finally choose a blade.
Also why don't you visit a specialised TT shop if you are so in doubt?
Well if he were to say one is faster, then I would think one of them were faster? I’m not trynna buy multiple blades to know which one is best, so I want to get my decision as best as I possibly can si yes if one sounds better in my head I’ll get it.

Really? Is it softer? I’ve got my decision now I have been enlightened. If the ball is going faster then there is more speed? I don’t think anyone perceives that differently. So it’s more controlled, great, some actual information and fast on slower stroke, but caps out in terms of speed on faster strokes. Is that where you’re getting at? A bit vague.

People were saying softer blades with soft rubbers have a mushy feeling which I kind of understand (I did not say this so don’t attack me for saying that different combos have different characteristics, instead of saying that ‘with enough hours it won’t matter!’

Your logic only works to an extent, in terms of equipment, because why wouldn’t everyone just get high end blades and rubbers? It’s about getting a combo that suits your play style in order to improve as quickly as possible.

In the UK (London) there aren’t any specialised TT shops, you’ll only find bad pre-mades and not the actual blades and rubbers, only online will you find this. Nor is there any good coaches in my area.
 
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All wood is defintely the call, but why worry about hardness/stiffnes so it pairs well with hard rubbers if your backhand is a soft rubber, just as a side note.

Tried Primorac with Rozena once and hated the vibration. (Im used to carbon)
Korbel or Sweden extra are quite nice and balanced in feel and power, if I remember correctly. Not too stiff, not too hard, works fine with everything. So you should be able to do spinny openups, as you stated in one of your other few threads about this topic before.

Nittaku acoustic was also extremely pleasant for me, did a few topspins and landed everything from everywhere magically.

G1 with 2mm sponge would be my choice if you are still developing, D09C and G09C are likely too hard, and might lead to inconsitent shots.

A new racket won't automatically make you a perfekt player tho, and you need proper training, but this is a solid and controlled Off setup to learn and improve on, while also having enough reserves to be good at higher levels.
What a coincidence; I am bringing in son's Nitakku Acoustic with T05H on FH + T25 on BH to tourney tomorrow. Five play flexy with hard rubber gives good kick and spin.
 
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What would be the DIFFERENCE between them in terms of speed, control etc

There is no doubt that putting in the hours will make you better, but without knowing the characteristics of things can help you achieve what you want faster, according to your style and gameplay.
I would second Tyce on this.
There is no one answer to many of these questions and what one player finds easy to use another may not.
My experience is that once you choose sensible and reasonable equipment then you'll be fine.

Choosing too fast equipment is where the problems start. Like players using Tenergy because it brings immediate speed to their beginner game, speed without them having to do anything differently. Until they try to develop their strokes to also bring more power and then they realise they cannot keep the ball on the table and keeping it on the table only comes when they use the Tenergy 'softly' which is what they did in the first place and now they have bad habits they cannot change.

So Korbel (made in Japan version recommend) along with Rozena would be a very good choice. D09c is definitely too hard. G09c seems sensible.
Then stick with it for a full year with no chopping or changing of equipment.

Overthinking this won't help. Truth is you can easily adapt to almost all reasonable equipment in and around the same level as Korbel with Rozena.
So just choose one and go with it.
But to find out if soft carbon, inner carbon or ALC is better the only way is to try, nobody else can answer that question for you.
Calling a blade controlled is very misleading though. They're either stiffer or more flexible with harder or softer layers so they impart different force onto the ball.
But it's the player that controls things so it's all dependent on players ability.
That means technique. So if your technique isn't good get something relatively forgiving. Carbon generally isn't this.
So prudently, at the beginning it's going to be safer to go with slower more manageable blades. Unless your technique is already good?

I found MLEO way too fast at 3 months in but after 2 yrs I found I loved it.
And I only switched to inner carbon after that.
My story is that my technique improved to allow me to use harder stiffer blades just fine but at 3 mths in it was too difficult for me. Any full stroke saw the ball go too fast and short game was difficult also.
But conversely, if you buy a MLEO and stick with it for a full year that can also work.
If I'd stuck with it anyway I would have eventually found it ok but it made more sense for me to just use my slower more forgiving ade for another year. 🤷‍♂️ Choose the route that feels most comfortable.

All the talk about the finer points of equipment speed etc is really only relevant to advanced players. Seriously.
At the beginner and mid level the idea that there's a blade or rubber that's going to make a big difference to your game is a misnomer.
Pros with perfect technique will loop, block etc with different combos and see where their shots land. They are not going to change their technique so they may find s new rubber that offers better results from the same input. The same, perfect, concise, consistent, powerful input, each time.
Many of us play with differing technique on different days depending on how we're feeling and then blame the equipment 😂

So, either go the equipment junkie route and find all these answers for yourself and discover that it's not the equipment but your commitment to the equipment and the training that count.
Or
Stay away from EJ, just buy a good blade rubber combo and stick with it.
My observations tho, most people who are prompted to ask all the questions you're asking are almost certainly destined to EJ because the curiosity is already there😬. (I've done it too!)

All in all, from my experience and that of another 8-10 players I've observed, learned from and helped I would say buy something of decent quality, reasonable for your level and train with it for the next 12 mths without thinking any more about equipment. That's the way forward.
Korbel, Rozena and G09c sounds like a good investment!
Buy no more equipment and spend money on coaching intead 👊
 
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Well if he were to say one is faster, then I would think one of them were faster? I’m not trynna buy multiple blades to know which one is best, so I want to get my decision as best as I possibly can si yes if one sounds better in my head I’ll get it.

Really? Is it softer? I’ve got my decision now I have been enlightened. If the ball is going faster then there is more speed? I don’t think anyone perceives that differently. So it’s more controlled, great, some actual information and fast on slower stroke, but caps out in terms of speed on faster strokes. Is that where you’re getting at? A bit vague.

People were saying softer blades with soft rubbers have a mushy feeling which I kind of understand (I did not say this so don’t attack me for saying that different combos have different characteristics, instead of saying that ‘with enough hours it won’t matter!’

Your logic only works to an extent, in terms of equipment, because why wouldn’t everyone just get high end blades and rubbers? It’s about getting a combo that suits your play style in order to improve as quickly as possible.

In the UK (London) there aren’t any specialised TT shops, you’ll only find bad pre-mades and not the actual blades and rubbers, only online will you find this. Nor is there any good coaches in my area.
I guess we are talking both over each others heads.

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This is what I mean with the speed difference and why it can be perceived different. Blue appears to be faster 95% of the time, while red is factually the faster one. Most will say blue is the faster, due to multiple factors. Either they can't apply the last percentages, or they don't the see difference it at that speeds. Unless it's a night and day difference the answer can be difficult to tell. Same goes for any other aspect, such as spin or control.
I made a comment about my understanding of control, but im nut gonna look that up.

NetProphets post is good, you can trust that.
Good luck on your journey and sorry for my passive agressive tone. I do tent to have that.
 
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I guess we are talking both over each others heads.

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This is what I mean with the speed difference and why it can be perceived different. Blue appears to be faster 95% of the time, while red is factually the faster one. Most will say blue is the faster, due to multiple factors. Either they can't apply the last percentages, or they don't the see difference it at that speeds. Unless it's a night and day difference the answer can be difficult to tell. Same goes for any other aspect, such as spin or control.
I made a comment about my understanding of control, but im nut gonna look that up.

NetProphets post is good, you can trust that.
Good luck on your journey and sorry for my passive agressive tone. I do tent to have that.
Hobby players play at the lower end of the spectrum; Blue wins!
 
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All in all, from my experience and that of another 8-10 players I've observed, learned from and helped I would say buy something of decent quality, reasonable for your level and train with it for the next 12 mths without thinking any more about equipment. That's the way forward.
Korbel, Rozena and G09c sounds like a good investment!
Buy no more equipment and spend money on coaching intead 👊
buying no more equipment after this is my plan. I was thinking because I’ve played carbon for the past year and a half, switching might throw me off. So an inner carbon blade on the low end like the MLC with Rozena and a G-1 would be my thoughts. Would this setup compare to the Korbel, Rozena, G09C? I don’t mind if it’s slightly worse or slightly better, I just don’t want it to be too good like you mentioned.

About the coaching, the ‘coach’ at my club is not good, (don’t ask why or how, it would take too long to explain) but I could get coaching elsewhere. The question is, would it be more beneficial to train 3-4 hours per week doing drills with my friends or 1-1.5 hours per week on coaching?
 
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