Call for Awareness and Action | Corruption and Fraud at ITTF/WTT

[TableTennis Fans]

Hi everyone,

Hope you’re all doing well as we kick off 2025!

After hearing multiple athletes complain about low bonuses and high penalties of WTT tournaments, we—a group of table tennis fans—decided to investigate the public financials of ITTF and WTT. What we uncovered is alarming: evidence of questionable governance, potential fraudulent transactions, and proceeds from events being transferred through under-the-table arrangements.

What We Advocate For​

Transparency

• Immediate release of ITTF and WTT financials in 2023 required by laws, which is long overdue

Restructuring WTT Governance

• WTT’s Board of Directors currently consists solely of employees from ITTF/WTT. To ensure proper oversight, the board should include more ITTF officials and, critically, independent members from outside.
• ITTF leadership must actively fulfill its governance and fiduciary responsibilities, which are currently inadequate.

Representation for Athletes and Member Associations

• A task force should be established to address athlete concerns, with direct representation from member associations, players, and independent third parties.
• The task force announced by ITTF on January 3rd consists entirely of internal employees, which undermines its ability to deliver meaningful solutions to address athlete concerns.

Why We Think Financials and Operations of ITTF/WTT are Relevant​

There have been ongoing complaints from athletes and fans about WTT, including:

• Disorganized events with tight schedules
• Low bonuses for players and high penalties
• Unreasonably high ranking points (2000 points for WTT grand slams and Olympic championship)

These complaints are closely tied to how WTT operates as a business. Disproportionate ranking points, lack of transparency, and inadequate bonuses compel athletes to participate in as many WTT events as possible, even when it leads to financial loss or unsustainable scheduling.

These rules appear designed to maximize revenue by ensuring top athletes’ participation, which aligns with WTT’s for-profit strategy. While profit-making is not inherently problematic, it must be conducted legally, compliantly, and in alignment with ITTF’s stated vision. Proper governance by ITTF and independent oversight of WTT are crucial to balancing profit motives with the long-term health of the sport.

We believe these issues stem from ITTF/WTT’s flawed values and operational practices. The economic arrangements behind WTT and lack of governance are at the heart of the problem. Since these two organizations shape the future of table tennis and its athletes, proper governance and compliance are essential. However, their financials and other public reveal the very opposite.

What We Found (Summary)​

For details and evidence, please refer to the attached files.

1. Suspicious Minority Shareholder Ownership
   • WTT contributes over 90% of ITTF's revenue and its 85% equity is owned by ITTF. However, WTT's operations seems to be fully controlled by minority shareholder World Sports Industry Holding ("World Sports), and little governance was provided by ITTF.
   • The inception of World Sports’ stake in WTT is highly suspicious. Just months prior, WTT’s audited report claimed the company was valued at zero due to ongoing losses (Amazon will be laughing at this statement). World Sports then acquired 15% equity through irregular means: 1) Conversion of a 10-year “coaching service" valued at $12M; and 2) Conversion of two loans totaling $3M.
   • These transactions appear highly uncommon and alarming, with discrepancies in WTT’s financials and ITTF shareholder meeting minutes.
   • addition - why WTT valuation of 0 raises red flags
     • WTT had positive net assets in 2021 and 2022, with $3M and $6.7M in cash and $2–4M in debt and payables, far from illiquidity.
     • Valuation, particularly for companies with valuable IP or long-term potential, is based on future cash flows, not just historical losses; the company valuation has little to do with book value of net assets. Many high- growth companies (e.g., Amazon pre-2023, OpenAI today) operate at a loss but are highly valued.
     • WTT holds the Master License Agreement (MLA), granting exclusive rights to ITTF’s commercial events—a significant asset capable of generating future profits. Instead of a zero valuation, restructuring and leveraging this IP could have been a more viable path forward. A valuation of zero is highly suspicious and raises red flags.
     • WTT did show 30%+ revenue growth in both 2023 and 2024 by running commercial events through the MLA. This potential for future growth should have been a critical consideration for ITTF leadership when evaluating the valuation report and assessing the inception of minority shareholders back in 2022. However, they chose to agree to a 0 valuation.
2. Use of Shell Companies for Events
   • WTT events are often operated by shell companies created shortly before the events. Evidence suggests these companies are controlled by the same beneficiaries behind World Sports.
   • There is no evidence showing any proper diligence or procurement process was followed before WTT engaged these operating companies.
3. Lack of Financial Transparency since 2023
   • WTT has not filed its 2023 financials with Singapore’s Accounting and Corporate Regulatory Authority (ACRA), despite legal requirements.
   • Quite conveniently, ITTF also pulled its 2023 financials from its website, raising further concerns about transparency.
   • 2023 marked the first year that WTT events and sponsorships gained significant traction, making it particularly suspicious that both institutions failed to fulfill their disclosure obligations
4. Understatement of Revenue and Proceeds
   • WTT’s CEO Steve Dainton estimated 2024 revenue at $50M in ITTF board meeting, but this figure doesn’t align with the scale of WTT events or sponsorship deals. We suspect underreported revenue and proceeds being diverted to beneficiaries controlled by minority shareholder World Sports and other related parties.

We believe these circumstances are not only irregular but also present significant risks of financial fraud, governance failures, and potential corruption within ITTF and WTT.

What We’ve Done and Plan to Do​

• Sent multiple emails to ITTF officials (including the Audit Committee and Integrity Board), requesting the release of 2023 financials and explanations for these alarming concerns.
• Reached out to member associations and relevant authorities (e.g., tax, anti-bribery, anti-fraud bodies).
• Now, we are seeking your attention and support.

How You Can Help​

• Spread Awareness: Share this information within the global table tennis community.
• Contact Authorities: If you know channels to get regulatory authorities and media coverage involved, please let us know.
• Share Evidence: If you have additional information on WTT’s fraudulent activities, email us at [email protected].

Our analysis is based entirely on publicly available information. As external observers, we acknowledge that we may lack full context or have errors and omissions. However, these do not change the validity of our concerns or the urgency of addressing them.

Our goal is simple: to ensure a fair, transparent, ethical, and sustainable future for table tennis - one where WTT’s toxic practices have no place. We hope you’ll join us in making that vision a reality.

Best regards,
Table Tennis Fans

 

[TableTennis Fans]

Hi everyone,

Hope you’re all doing well as we kick off 2025!

After hearing multiple athletes complain about low bonuses and high penalties, we—a group of table tennis fans—decided to investigate the public financials of ITTF and WTT. What we uncovered is alarming: evidence of questionable governance, potential fraudulent transactions, and proceeds from events being transferred through under-the-table arrangements.

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Why We Looked into Financials of ITTF/WTT​

There have been ongoing complaints from athletes and fans about WTT, including:

1. Disorganized events with tight schedules.
2. Low bonuses for players and high penalties
3. Unreasonably high ranking points (2000 points for WTT grand slams and Olympic championship)

We believe these issues stem from ITTF/WTT’s flawed values and operations, and the economic arrangements behind WTT are the core of the problem. Since these organizations dictate the future of table tennis and its athletes, proper governance and compliance are critical. However, their financials and other public information reveal the very opposite.

---

What We Found (Summary)​

For details and evidence, please refer to the attached files.

1. Suspicious Minority Shareholder Ownership
   
   • WTT contributes over 90% of ITTF's revenue and its 85% equity is owned by ITTF. However, WTT's operations seems to be fully controlled by minority shareholder World Sports Industry Holding ("World Sports), and little governance was provided by ITTF.
   • The inception of World Sports’ stake in WTT is highly suspicious. Just months prior, WTT’s audited report claimed the company was valued at zero due to ongoing losses (Amazon will be laughing at this statement). World Sports then acquired 15% equity through irregular means: 1) Conversion of a 10-year “coaching service" valued at $12M; and 2) Conversion of two loans totaling $3M.
   • These transactions appear highly uncommon and alarming, with discrepancies in WTT’s financials and ITTF shareholder meeting minutes.
2. Use of Shell Companies for Events
   
   • WTT events are often operated by shell companies created shortly before the events. Evidence suggests these companies are controlled by the same beneficiaries behind World Sports.
   • There is no evidence showing any proper diligence or procurement process was followed before WTT engaged these operating companies.
3. Lack of Financial Transparency since 2023
   
   • WTT has not filed its 2023 financials with Singapore’s Accounting and Corporate Regulatory Authority (ACRA), despite legal requirements.
   • Quite conveniently, ITTF also pulled its 2023 financials from its website, raising further concerns about transparency.
   • 2023 marked the first year that WTT events and sponsorships gained significant traction, making it particularly suspicious that both institutions failed to fulfill their disclosure obligations
4. Understatement of Revenue and Proceeds
   
   • WTT’s CEO Steve Dainton estimated 2024 revenue at $50M in ITTF board meeting, but this figure doesn’t align with the scale of WTT events or sponsorship deals. We suspect underreported revenue and proceeds being diverted to beneficiaries controlled by minority shareholder World Sports and other related parties.

We believe these circumstances are not only irregular but also present significant risks of financial fraud, governance failures, and potential corruption within ITTF and WTT.

---

What We Advocate For​

1. Restructuring WTT Governance
   
   • WTT’s Board of Directors currently consists solely of employees from ITTF/WTT. To ensure proper oversight, the board should include more ITTF officials and, critically, independent members from outside.
   • ITTF leadership must actively fulfill its governance and fiduciary responsibilities, which are currently inadequate.
2. Representation for Athletes and Member Associations
   
   • A task force should be established to address athlete concerns, with direct representation from member associations, players, and independent third parties.
   • The task force announced by ITTF on January 3rd consists entirely of internal employees, which undermines its ability to deliver meaningful solutions to address athlete concerns.

---

What We’ve Done and Plan to Do​

• Sent multiple emails to ITTF officials (including the Audit Committee and Integrity Board), requesting the release of 2023 financials and explanations for these alarming concerns.
• Reached out to member associations and relevant authorities (e.g., tax, anti-bribery, anti-fraud bodies).
• Now, we are seeking your attention and support.

---

How You Can Help​

• Spread Awareness: Share this information within the global table tennis community.
• Contact Authorities: If you know channels to get regulatory authorities and media coverage involved, please let us know.
• Share Evidence: If you have additional information on WTT’s fraudulent activities, email us at [email protected].

---

Our goal is simple: to ensure a fair, transparent, ethical, and sustainable future for table tennis - one where WTT’s toxic practices have no place. We hope you’ll join us in making that vision a reality.


Best regards,
Table Tennis Fans

Attachment 1 - the email we sent to ITTF outlining our concerns
Attachment 2 - evidences supporting our findings in the email

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Wow… so in 2026 no more TT tournaments as there will be no WTT or ITTF anymore with everyone in prison ?

 

[TableTennis Fans]

Wow… so in 2026 no more TT tournaments as there will be no WTT or ITTF anymore with everyone in prison ?

Well, if there’s actual corruption, then yeah, someone should be in jail—but hopefully not everyone! 😉

The real goal is more and better tournaments that treat athletes and fans the way they deserve. A brighter (and drama-free) future hopefully

 

[cybershapedragon]

Dig into Chinese WTT news if possible. Lots of information there.

 

[TableTennis Fans]

bumping this

 

[TableTennis Fans]

[Note: Resubmitting the post—let's see how it goes this time! ]

Hi everyone,

Hope you’re all doing well as we kick off 2025!

After hearing multiple athletes complain about low bonuses and high penalties of WTT tournaments, we—a group of table tennis fans—decided to investigate the public financials of ITTF and WTT. What we uncovered is alarming: evidence of questionable governance, potential fraudulent transactions, and proceeds from events being transferred through under-the-table arrangements.

What We Advocate For​

Transparency

• Immediate release of ITTF and WTT financials in 2023 required by laws, which is long overdue

Restructuring WTT Governance

• WTT’s Board of Directors currently consists solely of employees from ITTF/WTT. To ensure proper oversight, the board should include more ITTF officials and, critically, independent members from outside.
• ITTF leadership must actively fulfill its governance and fiduciary responsibilities, which are currently inadequate.

Representation for Athletes and Member Associations

• A task force should be established to address athlete concerns, with direct representation from member associations, players, and independent third parties.
• The task force announced by ITTF on January 3rd consists entirely of internal employees, which undermines its ability to deliver meaningful solutions to address athlete concerns.

Why We Think Financials and Operations of ITTF/WTT are Relevant​

There have been ongoing complaints from athletes and fans about WTT, including:

• Disorganized events with tight schedules
• Low bonuses for players and high penalties
• Unreasonably high ranking points (2000 points for WTT grand slams and Olympic championship)

These complaints are closely tied to how WTT operates as a business. Disproportionate ranking points, lack of transparency, and inadequate bonuses compel athletes to participate in as many WTT events as possible, even when it leads to financial loss or unsustainable scheduling.

These rules appear designed to maximize revenue by ensuring top athletes’ participation, which aligns with WTT’s for-profit strategy. While profit-making is not inherently problematic, it must be conducted legally, compliantly, and in alignment with ITTF’s stated vision. Proper governance by ITTF and independent oversight of WTT are crucial to balancing profit motives with the long-term health of the sport.

We believe these issues stem from ITTF/WTT’s flawed values and operational practices. The economic arrangements behind WTT and lack of governance are at the heart of the problem. Since these two organizations shape the future of table tennis and its athletes, proper governance and compliance are essential. However, their financials and other public reveal the very opposite.

What We Found (Summary)​

For details and evidence, please refer to the attached files.

1. Suspicious Minority Shareholder Ownership
   • WTT contributes over 90% of ITTF's revenue and its 85% equity is owned by ITTF. However, WTT's operations seems to be fully controlled by minority shareholder World Sports Industry Holding ("World Sports), and little governance was provided by ITTF.
   • The inception of World Sports’ stake in WTT is highly suspicious. Just months prior, WTT’s audited report claimed the company was valued at zero due to ongoing losses (Amazon will be laughing at this statement). World Sports then acquired 15% equity through irregular means: 1) Conversion of a 10-year “coaching service" valued at $12M; and 2) Conversion of two loans totaling $3M.
   • These transactions appear highly uncommon and alarming, with discrepancies in WTT’s financials and ITTF shareholder meeting minutes.
   • addition - why WTT valuation of 0 raises red flags
     • WTT had positive net assets in 2021 and 2022, with $3M and $6.7M in cash and $2–4M in debt and payables, far from illiquidity.
     • Valuation, particularly for companies with valuable IP or long-term potential, is based on future cash flows, not just historical losses; the company valuation has little to do with book value of net assets. Many high- growth companies (e.g., Amazon pre-2023, OpenAI today) operate at a loss but are highly valued.
     • WTT holds the Master License Agreement (MLA), granting exclusive rights to ITTF’s commercial events—a significant asset capable of generating future profits. Instead of a zero valuation, restructuring and leveraging this IP could have been a more viable path forward. A valuation of zero is highly suspicious and raises red flags.
     • WTT did show 30%+ revenue growth in both 2023 and 2024 by running commercial events through the MLA. This potential for future growth should have been a critical consideration for ITTF leadership when evaluating the valuation report and assessing the inception of minority shareholders back in 2022. However, they chose to agree to a 0 valuation.
2. Use of Shell Companies for Events
   • WTT events are often operated by shell companies created shortly before the events. Evidence suggests these companies are controlled by the same beneficiaries behind World Sports.
   • There is no evidence showing any proper diligence or procurement process was followed before WTT engaged these operating companies.
3. Lack of Financial Transparency since 2023
   • WTT has not filed its 2023 financials with Singapore’s Accounting and Corporate Regulatory Authority (ACRA), despite legal requirements.
   • Quite conveniently, ITTF also pulled its 2023 financials from its website, raising further concerns about transparency.
   • 2023 marked the first year that WTT events and sponsorships gained significant traction, making it particularly suspicious that both institutions failed to fulfill their disclosure obligations
4. Understatement of Revenue and Proceeds
   • WTT’s CEO Steve Dainton estimated 2024 revenue at $50M in ITTF board meeting, but this figure doesn’t align with the scale of WTT events or sponsorship deals. We suspect underreported revenue and proceeds being diverted to beneficiaries controlled by minority shareholder World Sports and other related parties.

We believe these circumstances are not only irregular but also present significant risks of financial fraud, governance failures, and potential corruption within ITTF and WTT.

What We’ve Done and Plan to Do​

• Sent multiple emails to ITTF officials (including the Audit Committee and Integrity Board), requesting the release of 2023 financials and explanations for these alarming concerns.
• Reached out to member associations and relevant authorities (e.g., tax, anti-bribery, anti-fraud bodies).
• Now, we are seeking your attention and support.

How You Can Help​

• Spread Awareness: Share this information within the global table tennis community.
• Contact Authorities: If you know channels to get regulatory authorities and media coverage involved, please let us know.
• Share Evidence: If you have additional information on WTT’s fraudulent activities, email us at [email protected].

Our analysis is based entirely on publicly available information. As external observers, we acknowledge that we may lack full context or have errors and omissions. However, these do not change the validity of our concerns or the urgency of addressing them.

Our goal is simple: to ensure a fair, transparent, ethical, and sustainable future for table tennis - one where WTT’s toxic practices have no place. We hope you’ll join us in making that vision a reality.

Best regards,
Table Tennis Fans

Attachments of evidence (all based on public info)

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

[Note: This post was previously removed shortly after being published on TTD, staying live for about 2 hours. We reached out to TTD founder Dan, who appeared unaware of the removal. Resubmitting the post—let's see how it goes this time! ]

It was not REMOVED. It was trapped by our spam catching software. The software identified your IP address as a threat and associated it with a past account that is a known spammer.

Things stay in that spam catching software until they are approved by a human who can confirm that you are a real person.

You made this thread THREE TIMES. THREE TIMES. You also bumped this thread the same day as you made the first two threads. First thread 7:11am on Tuesday 1/7/2025. Second thread 7:19am on Tuesday 1/7/2025. Bump 10:01pm Tuesday 1/7/2025.

You are not supposed to make multiple threads of the same content.

You are also not supposed to bump threads without leaving at least two days between your last post and your bump of a thread.

All of the posts are here in this thread. I have merged your threads into one since they are the same content.

Another issue the anti-spam software may have seen is that your first post on the forum does contain links. You are not supposed to be able to post links till after your fifth post. And another thing may have raised a red flag is that your IP address says NYC and your flag indicating your location says Nigeria. Now this is not unheard of. But those things will cause a profile to wind up trapped by the anti spam software and put into the approval queue.

I doubt anyone on TTDaily thinks ITTF/WTT should be fining pro players for not wanting to participate in events that ITTF/WTT says are mandatory without even asking players if they are able to attend these events. Anyone with any sense realizes that ITTF has been bungling the job of being the officiating body of the sport of table tennis for way longer than just a few decades.

But you have to let your threads sit and wait for people to respond rather than posting the same thread twice in 8 minutes and then bumping it shortly after that. And if our anti-spam software does flag you, in time, one of the TTD moderators will pull you out of that unless you are a troll or an actual spam account.

But it might actually be good for you to post in some other threads made by other members, and make it so people get to know you rather than only posting on one single topic on the TTD forum. If people get to know you and get to see your opinions and your way of expressing yourself about other aspects of the sport, they will be more likely to listen to what you have to say on the subject you are presenting here. Even though, as I said, I doubt there are very many members on TTDaily who are going to be Pro ITTF/WTT.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Here:

 

[Kopp]

I will create an open source table tennis federation hoping will solve your problem.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I have to admit, the spelling on the blade listed also kind of raised a red flag; but of course, that could easily be a typo. But if I read it on my profile, I would not leave it as is. That would get changed pretty quickly.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I doubt anyone on TTDaily thinks ITTF/WTT should be fining pro players for not wanting to participate in events that ITTF/WTT says are mandatory without even asking players if they are able to attend these events. Anyone with any sense realizes that ITTF has been bungling the job of being the officiating body of the sport of table tennis for way longer than just a few decades.

1. Singapore Smash on Chinese New Year
The preliminary schedule for Singapore Smash on CNY has been release to all MA months before. I got the information in October, which is 4 months notice only. I am sure CTTA has that information way earlier than me, considering the heads are all the same person - LGL.
MA can comment on the schedule, what ever happened, has been decided, with the input from all MA, including those that celebrate Chinese New Years (or Lunar New Years for others that celebrate it).

2. Ma Long is retiring, CM is retiring, FZD has said he will retire with ML.
I have posted information on how toxic CNT environment is with grandslams, seems like only Ma Long is the poster boy, while the others before him, ZJK, CM, LXX, FZD, WH has all had to face toxicness towards the end of their careers.
I personally feel there is more to WTT in the 2 weibo posts, and the true attack is towards the leaderships that share the 3 different hats.

3. Aruna saying he doesn't know the rules, despite fighting is great in a way, because I do feel players need to speak out more. and most Asian players are very quiet about matters and won't fight, especially Chinese players who would get in trouble for speaking out. So players voice is very important to any sport.
But Aruna did agree to the rules of which he signed and just maybe, he didn't read it properly. Like FZD seems to be clueless on how the rules work - thinking there are new in 2025.
The USD5000 fine was not because Aruna missed WTT Champions, but rather he missed WTT mandatory event to play some other event. and this part holds a hectic fine to it. Not knowing about the fine, is either a players problem or MA problem, but the rules are for public viewings....
There is no other fines, other than ZPP for missing.
Some other clever players lost in the first round of the WTT events, to fly back to Europe to play Champions League, those players didn't get in trouble.

And yes, schedule was terrible before and very short notice. For 2025, since I got the schedule very early, I have seen huge improvements on this part.
Overall most leagues do dodge WTT and having schedule earlier, that is then more the responsibility of the leagues than it is of WTT. WTT can't go and dodge everyone else.

4. and it is so easy to get a doctors note, since many players have medical staff. and since every player has injury, a medicate certificate can be used to decline participation. It has been used many times and had no zpp.
But you can't use medical and then go play some other event....

lastly, I feel if OP is serious, they should actually become a legal person and not some anonymous and challenge who they want to challenge in official manner. Just like Aruna is challenging them as a legal entity, and not hiding behind some new account on forums.

From what I am told, 20% of WTT revneue is the prize money. I believe this is high than pre WTT era and certinaly the prize money from WTT 2025 or even 2024 is way more than pre WTT era. It isn't ideal, but if you allow pros to not play events, the overall value of the event will drop and so would prize monies/sponsors.

You can't compare TT to tennis per such, as TT primary income is club table tennis, just like some other sports is club / leagues, while international mostly holds no monetary income, other than winning the world champsions or olmypics.
Tennis solely relies on international incomes, but other than the top, many tennis players can't even break even. Even the guy that make 300k in his best year while sleeping on other people's floors to save on accomdation costs, he still made a 13k loss.

While interational TT income isn't great, I doube changing WTT to ATT or BTT or CTT will become any better.
Players should try and gain more income from clubs and for those elites that are forced to play the smash/champions, it is just a flight cost, and the income there certainly has potential to cover flight costs (or many times, flight costs are spnosored). The points of those event surely are very delicious.

and the argument of 2000 points for Smash, I also thought it was wierd, but it is the same players winning the Olympics and Smashes, so what different does it make really, lol.

Maybe without the main Chinese taking part, it will allow others to get that 2000 points, maybe Felix, or Harimoto, or even Aruna.

 

[Sland]

I would be absolutely ASTONISHED if WTT's revenue was 50M or greater. 80% of their events last year looked so undersold. Youtube's livestream numbers are really not that impressive. Only thing that I will say I have no idea about and would love to be educated on is if the licensing and revenue coming from China/other asian countries where table tennis is popular are just filling these gaps in that we see from the West's point of view.

 

[TableTennis Fans]

It was not REMOVED. It was trapped by our spam catching software. The software identified your IP address as a threat and associated it with a past account that is a known spammer.

Things stay in that spam catching software until they are approved by a human who can confirm that you are a real person.

You made this thread THREE TIMES. THREE TIMES. You also bumped this thread the same day as you made the first two threads. First thread 7:11am on Tuesday 1/7/2025. Second thread 7:19am on Tuesday 1/7/2025. Bump 10:01pm Tuesday 1/7/2025.

You are not supposed to make multiple threads of the same content.

You are also not supposed to bump threads without leaving at least two days between your last post and your bump of a thread.

All of the posts are here in this thread. I have merged your threads into one since they are the same content.

Another issue the anti-spam software may have seen is that your first post on the forum does contain links. You are not supposed to be able to post links till after your fifth post. And another thing may have raised a red flag is that your IP address says NYC and your flag indicating your location says Nigeria. Now this is not unheard of. But those things will cause a profile to wind up trapped by the anti spam software and put into the approval queue.

I doubt anyone on TTDaily thinks ITTF/WTT should be fining pro players for not wanting to participate in events that ITTF/WTT says are mandatory without even asking players if they are able to attend these events. Anyone with any sense realizes that ITTF has been bungling the job of being the officiating body of the sport of table tennis for way longer than just a few decades.

But you have to let your threads sit and wait for people to respond rather than posting the same thread twice in 8 minutes and then bumping it shortly after that. And if our anti-spam software does flag you, in time, one of the TTD moderators will pull you out of that unless you are a troll or an actual spam account.

But it might actually be good for you to post in some other threads made by other members, and make it so people get to know you rather than only posting on one single topic on the TTD forum. If people get to know you and get to see your opinions and your way of expressing yourself about other aspects of the sport, they will be more likely to listen to what you have to say on the subject you are presenting here. Even though, as I said, I doubt there are very many members on TTDaily who are going to be Pro ITTF/WTT.

Thanks for your detailed response. Based on the information provided in your post, may I confirm if this reply is from the official TTD team?
Also some questions to you and your team:

1. You mentioned that this IP address is flagged as belonging to a spammer. Could you please provide evidence supporting this claim? This is the first time I, as the person posting on behalf of our group, have ever registered on TTD. I’m curious to know what IP address is showing on your end that would lead to this accusation. Simply labeling someone as a spammer after removing their posts feels dismissive and too convenient.
2. Until yesterday when we reposted with the note of contacting Dan, our account showed zero posts, and this is 4 days after our initial posts attempt here. How is that not considered "posts being removed"? So posts disappearing from users' account is not because they were removed but because their IP are spammers IP? Isn't that too convenient for the community mgmt?
3. Regarding your assertion that the initial post was removed due to containing links, this is incorrect. The original post is the same as this one and did not include any links. After it was removed without notification, we posted a blank post with a Reddit link, as the content there had garnered meaningful discussions, and that post was removed also. Can you clarify which post you’re referring to? If it’s the second one, it still doesn’t explain why the initial post, which contained no links, was removed.
4. You stated that we posted three times, implying spamming behavior. To clarify, the first two posts were made separately in the General Talks and Interviews sections because the one in General Talks received no views after an hour. The 3rd post with the reddit link was posted a few days later than the initial two posts. You seem to try accusing us of spamming, which again is not true.
5. You advised us to merge our content with other posts. We’ve conducted thorough analysis based on publicly available information, and we believe our findings warrant a standalone post. If there’s an existing post that covers similar analysis, kindly direct us to it, and we’ll be happy to merge or delete as needed.

 

[TableTennis Fans]

I would be absolutely ASTONISHED if WTT's revenue was 50M or greater. 80% of their events last year looked so undersold. Youtube's livestream numbers are really not that impressive. Only thing that I will say I have no idea about and would love to be educated on is if the licensing and revenue coming from China/other asian countries where table tennis is popular are just filling these gaps in that we see from the West's point of view.

WTT has not yet filed its 2023 financial statements with Singapore ACRA, which are now overdue. Similarly, ITTF has not published its 2023 financials on its website, as it has done in prior years. However, we obtained relevant information from ITTF committee meeting notes available on their website, linked and attached below. During the meeting, Mr. Brown (former WTT CFO) provided an estimated revenue figure for WTT as part of the budgeting process, referencing a $50M target for FY2024. The actual revenue figures for 2023 and 2024 will only become clear once their financials are filed.


https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/default/files/public/2024-06/2024-02-19_EB_Minutes_p_0.pdf (See page 5)

 

[TableTennis Fans]

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I have to admit, the spelling on the blade listed also kind of raised a red flag; but of course, that could easily be a typo. But if I read it on my profile, I would not leave it as is. That would get changed pretty quickly.

Hey there—thanks for pointing that out.

In case it's not obvious already, this account on TTD was created specifically to share our analysis and raise awareness. I don’t actually use a Korbel blade or Rozena rubber.

We understand that creating a new account might raise some eyebrows, but the members of our group preferred not to use their personal social media profiles to post this. Hopefully, that's understandable.

Please focus on the content and analysis we’re sharing. Our sole goal is to shed light on WTT’s practices and lack of compliance. As long as we can achieve that, we’re okay with being called spammers—like UpsidedownCarl did earlier.

 

[TableTennis Fans]

I will create an open source table tennis federation hoping will solve your problem.

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Thanks for the funny and snarky comment—clearly, that’s a more productive effort than spending hours poring over ITTF/WTT documents in our free time which we chose to do.

If you actually take the time to read our analysis and what we’re advocating for, you’ll see that we’re not calling for the removal of ITTF or WTT. We fully understand that commercialization is the path to making a sport truly robust and sustainable and companies like WTT are necessary.

What we’re asking for is better transparency and, more importantly, improved governance at WTT, overseen by both ITTF and independent directors (including athlete representatives or neutral third parties). Only with transparency and proper governance can an organization like WTT—or any league—strike a balance between profit maximization and preserving the integrity of the sport.

 

[TableTennis Fans]

Someone commented on the Reddit post that maybe the practices of WTT and ITTF are exactly what the table tennis community deserves. At this point, we’re starting to feel like that might be true.

As fans of the sport with absolutely no economic interest in this, we’ve spent hours reading documents, writing to authorities, and working toward a simple goal: promoting awareness and advocating for transparency and better governance at ITTF and WTT. And how has the community responded? The most liked reply in this thread is from UpsidedownCarl, who called us spammers, followed by a meme mocking our claims. It makes us wonder—has anyone actually read through the analysis before dismissing it and turning it into a joke?

We don’t regret the time we’ve spent advocating for a better future for table tennis, but perhaps it’s all meaningless after all. The very existence of WTT and its popularity already seems to reflect what the community wants, its values—and maybe what it deserves.

 

[Kopp]

Thanks for the funny and snarky comment—clearly, that’s a more productive effort than spending hours poring over ITTF/WTT documents in our free time which we chose to do.

If you actually take the time to read our analysis and what we’re advocating for, you’ll see that we’re not calling for the removal of ITTF or WTT. We fully understand that commercialization is the path to making a sport truly robust and sustainable and companies like WTT are necessary.

What we’re asking for is better transparency and, more importantly, improved governance at WTT, overseen by both ITTF and independent directors (including athlete representatives or neutral third parties). Only with transparency and proper governance can an organization like WTT—or any league—strike a balance between profit maximization and preserving the integrity of the sport.

You should follow Magnus Carlsen steps. He is the world #1 chess player.

Magnus created the Freestyle Chess Players Club (FCPC) and the Freestyle Chess Grand Slam Tour. It's a real threat to the World Chess Federation (FIDE).

 

[SrSTT]

Thanks for your detailed response. Based on the information provided in your post, may I confirm if this reply is from the official TTD team?
Also some questions to you and your team:

1. You mentioned that this IP address is flagged as belonging to a spammer. Could you please provide evidence supporting this claim? .....

Call me old fashioned, but I highly doubt challenging the mods and generally being argumentative is going to win you many allies regardless of the conduct of your target. Like UDC said, post in some other topics and let folks get to know you.