Carbon inner blades advice

[Gaucho]

I've been playing the last couple of years with some wooden blades (Yasaka Sweden Extra, Stiga Cybershape Wood, Walder Senso V2). Very nice blades and I enjoyed playing with them. Same goes for some carbon blades I've been playing with. Last 2 years I've been playing with a Butterfly Balsa Carbo X7 (very nice) and a Yasaka Ma Lin soft carbon (didn't fancy that one).

All in all I guess the standard takes about the differences between carbon and wood are quite obvious and do apply for the most part for me as well. Recently I've switched from the X7 to the Cybershape wood. A relative big switch and trade off in regards to feeling (blocking, touchplay, ball placement) and speed/kick. If possible I would like find a middle ground, I guess a carbon inner blade could serve me well, I don't have any experience playing with them.

I have a allround playstyle. I like to mix up heavy services in combination with 3rd ball attacks, heavy forehand topspin shots, soft/slow backhand topspin shots and pushing/punching with my backhand. With my current setup (Cybershape wood) I'm missing punch/speed mainly on my backhand and forehand (power) topspin. Therefor I play more responsive and with less initiative and joy so to say.

Any advice on carbon inner blades? Or other carbon blades matching requirements metioned above?

 

[Grumms]

Yinhe Pro 05, DHS Fang Bo B2, Stuor Long 5 for mid range price blades.

For low prices, Sanwei CC unbeatable.

 

[Lazer]

I've been playing the last couple of years with some wooden blades (Yasaka Sweden Extra, Stiga Cybershape Wood, Walder Senso V2). Very nice blades and I enjoyed playing with them. Same goes for some carbon blades I've been playing with. Last 2 years I've been playing with a Butterfly Balsa Carbo X7 (very nice) and a Yasaka Ma Lin soft carbon (didn't fancy that one).

All in all I guess the standard takes about the differences between carbon and wood are quite obvious and do apply for the most part for me as well. Recently I've switched from the X7 to the Cybershape wood. A Relative big switch and trade off in regards to feeling (blocking, touchplay, ball placement) and speed/kick. If possible I would like find a middle ground, I guess a carbon inner blade could serve me well, I don't have any experience playing with them.

I have an allround playstyle. I like to mix up heavy services in combination with 3rd ball attacks, heavy forehand topspin shots, soft/slow backhand topspin shots and pushing/punching with my backhand. With my current setup (Cybershape wwod) I'm missing punch/speed mainly on my backhand punch en forehand (power) topspin. Therefor I play more responsive and with less initiative and joy so to say.

Any advice on carbon inner blades? Or other carbon blades matching requirements metioned above?

Donic Appelgren WC 89 or Nittaku SC-Z. Excellent slow(ish) outer blades with good feel. Spruce outer so they are a little sensitive for splintering, need to remove rubbers carefully.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[PoppaChubby]

Agree with Lazer, if the Appelgreen WC89 isn't fast enough, you can then switch to Waldner Senso Ultra Carbon or Waldner OFF WC 89, those are basically like the Waldner Senso V2 on steroïds.

 

[latej]

VODAK Horejsi ALC

 

[Silver Server]

Agree with Lazer, if the Appelgreen WC89 isn't fast enough, you can then switch to Waldner Senso Ultra Carbon or Waldner OFF WC 89, those are basically like the Waldner Senso V2 on steroïds.

Out of the Donic blades, why isn’t Original True Carbon Inner recommended?

 

[KM1976]

I've been playing the last couple of years with some wooden blades (Yasaka Sweden Extra, Stiga Cybershape Wood, Walder Senso V2). Very nice blades and I enjoyed playing with them. Same goes for some carbon blades I've been playing with. Last 2 years I've been playing with a Butterfly Balsa Carbo X7 (very nice) and a Yasaka Ma Lin soft carbon (didn't fancy that one).

All in all I guess the standard takes about the differences between carbon and wood are quite obvious and do apply for the most part for me as well. Recently I've switched from the X7 to the Cybershape wood. A Relative big switch and trade off in regards to feeling (blocking, touchplay, ball placement) and speed/kick. If possible I would like find a middle ground, I guess a carbon inner blade could serve me well, I don't have any experience playing with them.

I have an allround playstyle. I like to mix up heavy services in combination with 3rd ball attacks, heavy forehand topspin shots, soft/slow backhand topspin shots and pushing/punching with my backhand. With my current setup (Cybershape wwod) I'm missing punch/speed mainly on my backhand punch en forehand (power) topspin. Therefor I play more responsive and with less initiative and joy so to say.

Any advice on carbon inner blades? Or other carbon blades matching requirements metioned above?

Eyes closed buy Harimoto Innerforce ALC. If you can manage with 88 grams or 89 grams it will be a gem.

 

[Lazer]

Out of the Donic blades, why isn’t Original True Carbon Inner recommended?

You could mention this too but it is stiffer and faster and I like Appelgren WC89 much better right now.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[TensorBackhand]

I've been playing the last couple of years with some wooden blades (Yasaka Sweden Extra, Stiga Cybershape Wood, Walder Senso V2). Very nice blades and I enjoyed playing with them. Same goes for some carbon blades I've been playing with. Last 2 years I've been playing with a Butterfly Balsa Carbo X7 (very nice) and a Yasaka Ma Lin soft carbon (didn't fancy that one).

All in all I guess the standard takes about the differences between carbon and wood are quite obvious and do apply for the most part for me as well. Recently I've switched from the X7 to the Cybershape wood. A relative big switch and trade off in regards to feeling (blocking, touchplay, ball placement) and speed/kick. If possible I would like find a middle ground, I guess a carbon inner blade could serve me well, I don't have any experience playing with them.

I have a allround playstyle. I like to mix up heavy services in combination with 3rd ball attacks, heavy forehand topspin shots, soft/slow backhand topspin shots and pushing/punching with my backhand. With my current setup (Cybershape wood) I'm missing punch/speed mainly on my backhand and forehand (power) topspin. Therefor I play more responsive and with less initiative and joy so to say.

Any advice on carbon inner blades? Or other carbon blades matching requirements metioned above?

For the woodiest/flexiest inner carbon blade, you need the F3 Pro.

A step up in hardness from there would be DHS Fang Bo Carbon, Yinhe Pro 05, or any other Long 5 clone.

 

[Grumms]

Which brand is F3 Pro ?

 

[TensorBackhand]

Which brand is F3 Pro ?

Sanwei. Good good blade, with speed, easy maneuverability, and lots of flex/dwell

 

[Gaucho]

Eyes closed buy Harimoto Innerforce ALC. If you can manage with 88 grams or 89 grams it will be a gem.

Played with this blade at our tt shop yesterday, I like it. It possesses the qualities I´m looking for in a blade. Spinning(power and slow)/punching/driving/blocking felt very nice. I guess I'll mainly need to get used to the touch/short game and in some way on service receive. They had Dignics 64 and Dignics 80 mounted on it, I liked playing with the 64 on both sides, maybe a bit to fast for my liking on my backhand. Played with some other composite and ZLC blades as well, I prefer your suggestion, the Harimoto innerforce ALC.

Any suggestions for rubbers? I like playing with medium hard rubbers on both wings.

 

[KM1976]

Played with this blade at our tt shop yesterday, I like it. It possesses the qualities I´m looking for in a blade. Spinning(power and slow)/punching/driving/blocking felt very nice. I guess I'll mainly need to get used to the touch/short game and in some way on service receive. They had Dignics 64 and Dignics 80 mounted on it, I liked playing with the 64 on both sides, maybe a bit to fast for my liking on my backhand. Played with some other composite and ZLC blades as well, I prefer your suggestion, the Harimoto innerforce ALC.

Any suggestions for rubbers? I like playing with medium hard rubbers on both wings.

I am glad that you liked it. From rubber perspective, here is an interesting point which you might would like to consider. I used to use Tenergy but cost was too much for me. I am around 1900 USATT and was able to play with it without any issues. I moved to other brands, have used Xiom, Andro, Gewo, Victas and Nittaku and try rubbers in the 40-50$ price range. From durability perspective and balanced performance, I would wholeheartedly recommend Nittaku Fastarc G1 on FH and Fastarc C1 on Backhand. You can use C1 on both sides, if you need something softer and more controlled.
I now use Andro, have played with C48 - good rubber but lasted only 2 months with 6-8 hours practice/play per week. Now I have R48 on FH and I see that after 1.5 months the rubber has lost its 'kick' though it is still playable and now works as a decent rubber.
Gewo - I used Superselect Nexxus EL Pro 45. - I saw that the durability ratings were very high on revspin and bought two sheets. Well for me it lasts just 2 months. Spin generation is very good, but durability is very poor and would not buy it again.
Xiom - I tried Vega X, Omega VII Pro, Omega VII Euro - All good rubbers avg. durability for 3 months or so but I never felt the bite on the ball. Somehow I need it to inspire confidence in my strokes.
Victas - Used V>15 Extra. Good rubber, lasts 3 months and playable for next 1 more month. However, between Andro and Victas for spin, I would recommend R48 over V>15 Extra.
So I might go back to Nittaku which is very good (TT11 has a sweet deal of buy 4 pay 3) and I only moved away as I wanted to check other greener pastures. Or will bite the bullet and go with Dignics.

 

[KM1976]

How’s the spin of Fastarc G1 compared to the above mentioned rubbers?

It is pretty good and very balanced. I would not rate it the spinniest (which would be either R48 or Gewo) and the best part is that the performance of Fastarc reduces gradually and there is no sudden decline.

 

[Gaucho]

I am glad that you liked it. From rubber perspective, here is an interesting point which you might would like to consider. I used to use Tenergy but cost was too much for me. I am around 1900 USATT and was able to play with it without any issues. I moved to other brands, have used Xiom, Andro, Gewo, Victas and Nittaku and try rubbers in the 40-50$ price range. From durability perspective and balanced performance, I would wholeheartedly recommend Nittaku Fastarc G1 on FH and Fastarc C1 on Backhand. You can use C1 on both sides, if you need something softer and more controlled.
I now use Andro, have played with C48 - good rubber but lasted only 2 months with 6-8 hours practice/play per week. Now I have R48 on FH and I see that after 1.5 months the rubber has lost its 'kick' though it is still playable and now works as a decent rubber.
Gewo - I used Superselect Nexxus EL Pro 45. - I saw that the durability ratings were very high on revspin and bought two sheets. Well for me it lasts just 2 months. Spin generation is very good, but durability is very poor and would not buy it again.
Xiom - I tried Vega X, Omega VII Pro, Omega VII Euro - All good rubbers avg. durability for 3 months or so but I never felt the bite on the ball. Somehow I need it to inspire confidence in my strokes.
Victas - Used V>15 Extra. Good rubber, lasts 3 months and playable for next 1 more month. However, between Andro and Victas for spin, I would recommend R48 over V>15 Extra.
So I might go back to Nittaku which is very good (TT11 has a sweet deal of buy 4 pay 3) and I only moved away as I wanted to check other greener pastures. Or will bite the bullet and go with Dignics.

Thanks, interesting suggestion. I´m playing with R45 on my fh now, It´s kind of worn out after 9 months, especially the last 2 months or so. I liked the softer top sheet (could be a little les soft) that´s why I´m considering Dignics64 as well, that's a expensive option, durability wise it might be a alternative to consider.
I've played with Omega VII Euro also on FH, a nice/ok rubber, almost forgot that one, nice do it all rubber. Had it mounted on a blade I didn't fancy.

On my bh side I'm playing with tenergy 19, also a nice rubber, I guess my technique is insufficient to get the most out of this rubber especially spinning a bit out of position and/or close to the table is difficult. Weird enough I'm sometimes able to play very nice bh spins further away from the table with this rubber but that's not a shot I frequently play. So C1 would definitely be a option to consider for bh, would G1 also be a option to consider? I like to play with medium hard rubbers on bh and a plus would be that's it a bit less sensitive to spin what could fit into getting used to the blade in regards to the touch/short game and in serve receive. Not sure if I would miss out on control or that it's maybe to fast. Options,options, options😅.

Butterfly just released a new version of the blade; Harimoto Innerforce Super ALC

Harimoto Innerforce Super ALC

Details Tomokazu & Miwa Harimoto’s Blade, With Excellent Balance of High Bounce & Stability The emergence of Super Arylate-Carbon has provided players with a blade that possesses both high reaction and low vibration properties. The slightly larger blade head and Innerfiber structure increases...

shop.butterflyonline.com

 

[riemsesy]

Out of the Donic blades, why isn’t Original True Carbon Inner recommended?

It’s an inner but imho it’s quite direct and stiff

 

[KM1976]

Thanks, interesting suggestion. I´m playing with R45 on my fh now, It´s kind of worn out after 9 months, especially the last 2 months or so. I liked the softer top sheet (could be a little les soft) that´s why I´m considering Dignics64 as well, that's a expensive option, durability wise it might be a alternative to consider.
I've played with Omega VII Euro also on FH, a nice/ok rubber, almost forgot that one, nice do it all rubber. Had it mounted on a blade I didn't fancy.

On my bh side I'm playing with tenergy 19, also a nice rubber, I guess my technique is insufficient to get the most out of this rubber especially spinning a bit out of position and/or close to the table is difficult. Weird enough I'm sometimes able to play very nice bh spins further away from the table with this rubber but that's not a shot I frequently play. So C1 would definitely be a option to consider for bh, would G1 also be a option to consider? I like to play with medium hard rubbers on bh and a plus would be that's it a bit less sensitive to spin what could fit into getting used to the blade in regards to the touch/short game and in serve receive. Not sure if I would miss out on control or that it's maybe to fast. Options,options, options😅.

Butterfly just released a new version of the blade; Harimoto Innerforce Super ALC

Harimoto Innerforce Super ALC

Details Tomokazu & Miwa Harimoto’s Blade, With Excellent Balance of High Bounce & Stability The emergence of Super Arylate-Carbon has provided players with a blade that possesses both high reaction and low vibration properties. The slightly larger blade head and Innerfiber structure increases...

shop.butterflyonline.com

You should change only one side rubber at a time. If you find Tenergy 19 too fast then try C1 on the backhand while keeping your FH rubber unchanged. Try playing BH and/or FH with C1 and see how you like it. BTW, you are not alone when it comes to using Tenergy on BH side. For amateur players like me, who played with 05FX earlier, I felt Donic Acuda S2, Nittaku FastArc C1 and Andro Hexer Powergrip SFX are simply more than adequate. You can always graduate to faster and expensive options if you think you have reached that level of play.

 

[Metaxa]

Maybe you can take a look here & there.
(If you are interested, we can speak in Dutch)

 

[zedd]

i'm using harimoto inner force from butterfly with Dignics 64 (FH) and Dignics 05 (BH), so far so good.

 

[Gaucho]

Went for a different setup. Viscaria with Dignics 05 on bh and Dignics 09C on fh. Very impressed by 09c and the stability you get on topspins.