Changing rubber or changing blade?

[hayhayc86]

Hi, been lurking on this forum for awhile and finally join and post for 1st time, please be gentle with me guys!

Essentially: nittaku so-ten - FH H3 BH razer 7 --> soten FH G1 BH Z2 --> ovt IF FH D09c BH t19--> ovt IF FH D09c BH G09c -->
?ovt IF FH H3 BH G09c
or ? H2/tmxi pro FH H3/d09c BH G09c

Return to play TT 2 years ago after a 20+ years hiatus. Started on a so-ten with FH H3 and BH rakzer 7.

Out of interest and want to get some freebie from esn, changed to FH G1, BH Z2. Quite like the z2 but not really liking the G1 at all, felt it's 'too much catapult'

Went on a trip to Japan and cannot resist the low exchange rate and switched to a ovtcharov IF blade with D09C FH and T19 BH. Getting on OK with the D09c but again not getting on well with the tenegy. So switched to G09c in BH which I like.

My issue now is with the D09c, I get good spin and speed but somewhat lacking control. im constantly worry if i go full force, the ball go out of table. I'm wondering should I change to a slightly less stiff blade like a nittaku H2 or a xiom txmi pro. Or to switch the rubber back to H3 and stay with the current blade.


Definitely a 'hobbit' player although I started when I was 13 yo back in HK so I do have some decent foundations, just now completely ruined by lack of reaction speed and generally aging body!

 

[latej]

I'd go back to H3, or similar rubber. If you constantly worry, then I think it's a no brainer... I also think H3 is good for development, or re-development ;-) if you take the not overly hard version, say H39...

 

[hayhayc86]

I suppose that's cheapest option. How hard is d09c compare to h3 however?

 

[Lazer]

Hi, been lurking on this forum for awhile and finally join and post for 1st time, please be gentle with me guys!

Essentially: nittaku so-ten - FH H3 BH razer 7 --> soten FH G1 BH Z2 --> ovt IF FH D09c BH t19--> ovt IF FH D09c BH G09c -->
?ovt IF FH H3 BH G09c
or ? H2/tmxi pro FH H3/d09c BH G09c

Return to play TT 2 years ago after a 20+ years hiatus. Started on a so-ten with FH H3 and BH rakzer 7.

Out of interest and want to get some freebie from esn, changed to FH G1, BH Z2. Quite like the z2 but not really liking the G1 at all, felt it's 'too much catapult'

Went on a trip to Japan and cannot resist the low exchange rate and switched to a ovtcharov IF blade with D09C FH and T19 BH. Getting on OK with the D09c but again not getting on well with the tenegy. So switched to G09c in BH which I like.

My issue now is with the D09c, I get good spin and speed but somewhat lacking control. im constantly worry if i go full force, the ball go out of table. I'm wondering should I change to a slightly less stiff blade like a nittaku H2 or a xiom txmi pro. Or to switch the rubber back to H3 and stay with the current blade.


Definitely a 'hobbit' player although I started when I was 13 yo back in HK so I do have some decent foundations, just now completely ruined by lack of reaction speed and generally aging body!

It takes time to get power in BH. Practice, practice and more practice. It all in the timing. You will get better and don’t forget: The winner is usually the player that gives away less easy points…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[hayhayc86]

Yes, I have to completely relearn how to do BH, have to keep it more compact. A bit of bounce from the rubber certainly helps. I think the stiffness of ovt IF doesn't help however with timing

 

[PoppaChubby]

Yes, I have to completely relearn how to do BH, have to keep it more compact. A bit of bounce from the rubber certainly helps. I think the stiffness of ovt IF doesn't help however with timing

Prithika Pavade went from an Apolonia blade (quite popular at that time in the France's women's team) very early in her development to the OVT IF ALC she uses now since only a year or so. Inner ZLC, and specially the Apolonia, have way more control than the OVT IF ALC that has a really thick core, that's why it's so powerfull. That blade is really thick compared to other IF ALC or ZLC blades, say the Apolonia or the Harimoto.

 

[Lazer]

Yes, I have to completely relearn how to do BH, have to keep it more compact. A bit of bounce from the rubber certainly helps. I think the stiffness of ovt IF doesn't help however with timing

No if you want to relearn it is better to get the power from you. So no bounce is the best. What the bounce does it makes you hold back because you hit long so Starr with a non bouncy rubber. After you get your technique set the you go for a little bouncier rubber.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[hayhayc86]

Hence the reason why I'm consider changing blade, maybe it's too stiff for a hobbit player like myself. However maybe @latej is right it's a logical step to change the rubber first and then see how it goes

 

[hayhayc86]

No if you want to relearn it is better to get the power from you. So no bounce is the best. What the bounce does it makes you hold back because you hit long so Starr with a non bouncy rubber. After you get your technique set the you go for a little bouncier rubber.

Cheers
L-zr

I do have a h3 37 degree as my next rubber to try on my bh next. I do think I'm getting on better with the g09c than with the t19. So I think ill stick with the g09c for a bit longer first.

It's just so hard to know what will suit me more until I try them but then there are so many things I want to try. If I keep changing then it's hard to consolidate my technic. Chicken vs egg

 

[Lazer]

I do have a h3 37 degree as my next rubber to try on my bh next. I do think I'm getting on better with the g09c than with the t19. So I think ill stick with the g09c for a bit longer first.

It's just so hard to know what will suit me more until I try them but then there are so many things I want to try. If I keep changing then it's hard to consolidate my technic. Chicken vs egg

Don’t go too soft, the softer the harder your slow game becomes. H3 37 is a great hardness for BH.

I have had a lot of success with Donic Accuda S2. But now I found a cheaper rubber 729 Dragon F the softer version, It works for me.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[WingTT]

What you are uncomfortable with is how unsuitable softer/medium hard rubbers are with the plastic ball when attacking. There's a reason there is a trend towards hard rubbers nowadays. If you still have your So Ten, try boosted H3 on the FH and the D09C on the backhand and see if that works out better for you.

 

[latej]

I suppose that's cheapest option. How hard is d09c compare to h3 however?

The D09C is like cca H40. In H3 you have a range H37 - H41, or more ;-) While you could say, oh D09C is like H3 H40, it is not so, the sponges are really different... But, let's not go down this road...

Practise is all that matters as @Lazer says... You do practise, good, and you complain you fear you overshoot. I first thought you speak about FH, but it seems you have similar problem on the BH... Anyway, regarding BH, I also think the H3 OS H37 is very good rubber, and good for you too. E.g. I tried to play with it, but I got overpowered in rallies. If my BH was better, I wouldn't be, obviously, people like ML don't get overpowered in rallies ;-) But the point is, that the H3 OS H37 really is slower rubber, it simply is obvious. So don't worry, take it, play with it for 1/2 year and see then. Big diff. to rubbers like T19, I'd not recommend for starters... About Z2 I'm surprised you liked it on the BH, the top-sheet felt too hard on the BH for me to grab the ball...

The blade I think is a really good blade. It's perhaps I am a bit biased, when I say it would be a pitty to change. There is many good blades... But I think you won't make a mistake if you stay with it...

On FH, I initially suggested the H3 H39, but don't be afraid to take H37 on the FH too, or H38... Actually, I'd suggest H37 on both sides now... The point is that you later recognize what you want... Again, when I play with these rubbers, H3-like on the FH, it's often not me who complains they are slow, but my training partners ;-) Again, the point is, they really are slower, and I'm sure you won't fear overshooting with them... So, cheers and have fun...

Edit: They may even use derogatory names for my beloved R9, like the black bitch... But that belongs to that other thread ;-)

 

[Amayzde]

Just try the G09C you already have on the forehand as well, as it is litterally the same rubber as D09C with a slower sponge. I think you will like it.

It also wouldn't require a drastic change in technique as if you were to switch to H3.

 

[hayhayc86]

Just try the G09C you already have on the forehand as well, as it is litterally the same rubber as D09C with a slower sponge. I think you will like it.

It also wouldn't require a drastic change in technique as if you were to switch to H3.

I'll give that a try too. To be honest, I'm very used to h3 as back in the days that's what I used to use. Probably why I can't get used to the esn ones and at least after a lot of practice I'm okish with the dignics but still overshoot from time to time.

 

[hayhayc86]

So I listened to the great advice and put the h3 39 on the fh and played some (low tier) league matches, the fh felt dead but I am a lot more consistent. Think I have been playing at my best.

Bh with the g09c is letting me down, so I'll listen to the other advice and put the 37 h3 on and see how it goes.

Caught the ej bug during 11.11 and bought a loki w81 inner so I might toy with that as a spare bat during the hiatus mid season.

 

[Lazer]

On FH a slow rubber is good for me, but on BH I need a little more help with speed…. But it generally if you can get good speed with your BH, go for it…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[hayhayc86]

I think ill need some more try and error with bh. Will try h3 37 first and then either go back to tenegy19 and give it one more try. Just not having enough dwell to open up with tenegy and the short game was difficult for me last time I used it.

At least I'll stay with h3 on fh for awhile anyway.

 

[Zwill]

Dunno man, H3 37 on backhand is very uninspiring unless you know what you are doing.
You could get the Yinhe Moon 12 Blue Medium- on your backhand and feel more comfy and just enjoy playing and maybe experiment with your shots. But I would actually encourage you to use G-1 on the backhand. It's funny you find G-1 so bouncy, while I won't doubt it, I think it is bouncy, but compared to Tenergy or Z2 it's much more subtle.

 

[hayhayc86]

I think I'm used to playing the h3 way in fh, go all body weight in for power that I can't control it with esn rubber.

G1 I think have speed but I find it hard to 'grip', z2 seems to be easier to 'grip' the ball to open up. T19 is actually OK to grip apart from I think I'm not skill enough to constantly make the right contact during the short dwell.

If I like the tacky but need more speed then I will go tacky but faster. If I don't find the tack helpful, then back to square 1 and plan again. I'll check out yihin moon 12

 

[Zwill]

I think I'm used to playing the h3 way in fh, go all body weight in for power that I can't control it with esn rubber.

G1 I think have speed but I find it hard to 'grip', z2 seems to be easier to 'grip' the ball to open up. T19 is actually OK to grip apart from I think I'm not skill enough to constantly make the right contact during the short dwell.

If I like the tacky but need more speed then I will go tacky but faster. If I don't find the tack helpful, then back to square 1 and plan again. I'll check out yihin moon 12

Hmmm, It's just so bizarre since G-1 has the most automatic grip from all rubbers. Like if you touch the ball you have great grip already. Most rubbers will slip at thin or weak contact but G-1 is pretty great even at those. And G-1 is pretty easy to use and understand. It's a rather simple rubber to use.