Dignics 09C on an Allwood blade

[Kopp]

Hi guys,

I'm thinking trying out the D09C on OFF-/+ allwood blade, generally limba, like a Korbel or YSE.

But I haven't seen many reviews on this combo.

Is it a bad idea? Or maybe it's just not a popular choice?

I'd love to hear from anyone who's tried this combo. Your experiences and recommendations would be really helpful.

Thanks!

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Hi guys,

I'm thinking trying out the D09C on OFF-/+ allwood blade, generally limba, like a Korbel or YSE.

But I haven't seen many reviews on this combo.

Is it a bad idea? Or maybe it's just not a popular choice?

I'd love to hear from anyone who's tried this combo. Your experiences and recommendations would be really helpful.

Thanks!

Looks like it will be okay. I'm no expert or even decent at this but I'm assuming it will work just fine, but not as good as 5+2 because 5 is slower. But, I'm pretty sure there would be more control and feel.

I'm just a beginner (less than a year), so take this claim with a grain of salt!

 

[Kopp]

Looks like it will be okay. I'm no expert or even decent at this but I'm assuming it will work just fine, but not as good as 5+2 because 5 is slower. But, I'm pretty sure there would be more control and feel.

I'm just a beginner (less than a year), so take this claim with a grain of salt!

Dude, same here, that's why I'm asking. The ALC blade is OK for me, but I noticed that I'm getting tired easily after a couple of sets or during a single-ball drill. I guess it's because I have to swing too fast with the carbon blade for topspin, otherwise, the ball just goes without much spin. IDK.

Considering that I'm not an advanced player, just in between beginner and intermediate, I'd like to have a more controlled all-round game. Placing the ball exactly where I want and a moderate swing that still gets enough spin and speed to trouble the opponents.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I think when you wrote YSE you mean Yasaka Sweden Extra. If that is correct, I just want to make sure you know that the Sweden Extra does not have a Limba top ply. The top ply is a wood that is harder than Limba and plays a little more like Koto but not quite as hard as Koto. If my memory serves me correctly, the top ply on the Sweden Extra is Anegre.

D09c should be fine on either blade you mentioned though.

However, if you get tired from using a faster setup, wouldn't you get more tired from using a slower setup where you need to swing with more power to get the ball going at a decent speed?

 

[Kopp]

I think when you wrote YSE you mean Yasaka Sweden Extra. If that is correct, I just want to make sure you know that the Sweden Extra does not have a Limba top ply. The top ply is a wood that is harder than Limba and plays a little more like Koto but not quite as hard as Koto. If my memory serves me correctly, the top ply on the Sweden Extra is Anegre.

Oh really? My bad, I should have researched before writing. Sorry, Carl.

D09c should be fine on either blade you mentioned though.

Thanks. Do you think this setup suits allround style?

However, if you get tired from using a faster setup, wouldn't you get more tired from using a slower setup where you need to swing with more power to get the ball going at a decent speed?

Good question, I don't know the answer, LOL. Maybe I just find excuse because I don't like carbon blade 😭

 

[NoSpin]

Works really well for me on Victas Swat (7ply 86gr Limba top)

 

[Silver Server]

I would try your current rubbers on a Korbel to see if it works for you. At your level (and mine lol) you're not going to get a ton of spin out of an external carbon blade with a koto surface if that's what you're currently using. It doesn't allow enough dwell time to grab & spin the ball.

 

[haggisv]

Considering that I'm not an advanced player, just in between beginner and intermediate, I'd like to have a more controlled all-round game. Placing the ball exactly where I want and a moderate swing that still gets enough spin and speed to trouble the opponents.

I think it will work very nicely on an all-wooden blade, and will be more controllable and easier to topspin, which sounds like what you're after. I've used it on off- wooden blades before and it felt controlled and very spinny. It will just lack a little topspeed, but should offer plenty of power at the level that you're describing.

 

[GregorTT425]

Dignics09c on an allwood blade, especially 5-ply will have magnificent feel, control and spin to it. With appropriate technique, the speed will be there too. I will do the very same soon, so go for it, you can't go wrong.

 

[Haraold]

i am tempetd do buy a Dignics or glayzer 09c first for a Palio Bow,for Backhand

 

[SlowPower]

I tried d09c on Viscaria like blades and didn't like it at all.
Then I put it on a self made inner carbon outer limba blade and it feels great, became my main racket immediately. It's 80g soft carbon and it plays essentially like a 5 ply allwood...

 

[SlowPower]

YSE has anigre top ply as far as I know...

 

[Kopp]

Then I put it on a self made inner carbon outer limba blade and it feels great, ..

When you hit and penetrate the sponge and the outer limba without activating the inner carbon, how good are the spin and speed?

 

[Kopp]

i am tempetd do buy a Dignics or glayzer 09c first for a Palio Bow,for Backhand

I don't know what your level is, but let me tell you, unless you have a strong BH and good technique, it's quite difficult to activate the G09's hard sponge and consistently hit quality shots. I've changed the G09C from my BH to FH. Rakza Z is easier for my BH. Although the sponge is quite hard, it's more lively than the G09C's sponge.

Edit: Interestingly, it's easier to play D09C in the BH than G09C. It's more lively & easier to penetrate through the sponge. At least that what I felt when testing my friend's Viscaria.

 

[Haraold]

I played the normal Glayzer on bh dor a year and my second Gear is a single Ply Hinoki which is fast compared to my other Blades,therefore i will give 09c (Glayzer) first a shot and id it isnßt for me i will switch back to normal glayzer and don´t pay that much for a Dignics 09c.
I wanted a slower Version with more spin on Bh ,my technique is good,but my footwork is bad.
I just wanted to ask if somebody made the Switch from a single ply Hinoki to Dignics.

 

[Kopp]

..therefore i will give 09c (Glayzer) first a shot and id it isnßt for me i will switch back to normal glayzer and don´t pay that much for a Dignics 09c.

I agree. I'll probably do the same. I'll test the G09C on my old allwood blade first. If it feels right, I may buy the D09C later.

 

[Peter93]

09c is an incredibly unforgiving rubber if you do not have great technique and commitment to your shots. Rubbers that hard are inherently difficult to use. Using rubbers like that is making the game harder for yourself when it doesn't have to be. I see so many people on this forum do this and it blows my mind.

 

[SlowPower]

09c is an incredibly unforgiving rubber if you do not have great technique and commitment to your shots. Rubbers that hard are inherently difficult to use. Using rubbers like that is making the game harder for yourself when it doesn't have to be. I see so many people on this forum do this and it blows my mind.

I felt the same when I had it on a vis style outer blade and K3 was much easier to play with.

Not on my soft limba blade- it is so consistent and safe!

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Oh really? My bad, I should have researched before writing. Sorry, Carl.

I just wanted you to know. Nothing to be sorry about. Yasaka Sweden Extra is a great blade. But if you got it thinking it would have a soft Limba feel and you could feel the difference, you might be upset. Whereas, if you bought it knowing that it is a flexible 5 ply blade with a harder top ply that would be a good blade to get you ready for the feel of a blade like a Viscaria, then it is an excellent choice.

So, the information was so that you knew what you were getting, not because it was a problem that the information was not quite right. That part I don't care about. I just want you to know how the product you are thinking about may actually feel when you use it.

In my opinion, equipment is not so important. Most major TT companies have good blades at the 5 ply Off/Off- level that would be good. Most companies have rubbers that would be good. If you get something in the basic range of what you need and you use it and train, you will improve.

The equipment is important in that you should have something you actually can use and progress with. After that, it is not so important and the training is much more important.

So, if you wanted a blade with a softer feel with a top ply like Limba, the Korbel is a great choice. If you wanted something with a top ply that is harder like Anegre or Koto, the Yasaka Sweden Extra is a great choice. Avalox P500 would also be a great blade if you wanted that Koto top ply feel. P500 is what Kong Linghui originally used before Butterfly made him a blade that was a clone of the P500.

How you contact the ball to spin with a blade that has a harder Top Ply is simply a little different than how you contact the ball to spin with a blade that has a softer top ply. In many ways, the harder top ply suits today's game better than the softer top ply blades do.

But it is a choice. You should understand that if you know, you feel the ball contact better with Limba, then getting Limba makes sense. If you feel the ball contact better with Koto, then getting a blade with a Koto top ply makes sense. But those choices are not about right and wrong. They are about what will work for you. And a lot of people won't even be able to tell the difference. But, if you can, then that choice would be more important.

 

[Kopp]

@UpSideDownCarl This is very interesting, now I'm learning. Please could you tell me what the difference is between playing with Koto and Limba? FYI, I've had a Korbel and still have a YSE. I've played with both but couldn't tell the difference; I thought they felt almost the same. I didn't notice any difference when hitting topspin, pushing, blocking, etc.