Dignics 09c vs DHS Hurricane 3 Blue versions

[deepanmania]

Hi there,
I'm currently using FZD ALC with D05 on both sides for almost a year. I need to change my FH rubber now, it's gone. D05 is good for my backhand, but on my forehand, I have mixed feelings. Sometimes I feel it's good during my multiball training sessions but during match times I'm making a lot of mistakes during actual rallies. So thought of going for some tacky slower rubber than D05.

I've used my friend's D05 once slow, a little bouncy and had a higher arc than the D05 but never tried DHS Hurricane 3 blue rubbers. I'm an intermediate player, with an attacking playstyle, who does full swing on my forehand topspins. My accuracy and footwork have improved a lot during my multi-ball training sessions but still not confident with D05 in FH during match times ending up in half action and losing the point.

I'm not sure what to choose. Help me to choose a hard tacky rubber.

 

[riemsesy]

Don't know if I'm the one to say something about this, but what I read last week, is that many have H3 BS on FH and Dignics 09c on BH

 

[deepanmania]

Don't know if I'm the one to say something about this, but what I read last week, is that many have H3 BS on FH and Dignics 09c on BH

Yes, Chinese players are using that setup, even FZD. But I just need a contrast of both rubbers characteristics.

 

[riemsesy]

DHS H3 BS 40° boosted
Just copying what I read in another topic. He used H3 39 OS and was advised to use the BS 40 and boosted.

Maybe I can find that topic…

 

[_ak]

They play very differently.

 

[deepanmania]

They play very differently.

Have you played on both?

 

[JJ Ng]

I think you should stick with Butterfly, so Dignics 09c is a logical choice.

Hurricane is an acquired taste.

I think you should try Dignics 09c first. Everyone switching equipment has to go through an adjustment period. For the sake of progress you have made so far in your table tennis training and for fun's sake, you should choose D09c over Hurricane right now. Then when you are done with Dignics 09c (which lasts forever), then you can decide to continue with Dignics 09c or switch to Hurricane then.

 

[longle]

they play very differently, H3 has much higher throw angle, D05 is easier to hit through, D05 easier to counter loop because of its powerful sponge and lower throw. You will have to change your form quite a bit to get used to H3.

 

[NextLevel]

Dignics 09c is for people who want a rubber that is fast enough to play like a Tenergy or regular Butterfly rubber but is controlled in the short game. Hurricane is for people who want to generate their own power and spin on just about every shot and have the technique, footwork and anticipation to do so.

Dignics 09c is definitely the more reasonable place to start. Not a bad place to end up either. Hurricane will suite you if you are advanced and an all out attacker and short pusher, but if you like to sometimes juat block and place the ball, stick with your current rubber, even D09c can be frustrating if you don't try to give effort, it is just not as unforgiving as Hurricane.

 

[_ak]

Have you played on both?

Not exactly with these. D09c was tried only briefly. I played with boosted H8 39 and boosted Glayzer 09c after sticking to Big Dipper for a while and ESN grippy rubbers before.

I used to brushloop with celluloid ball but shifted towards hitting through the sponge with plastic ball and switching to somewhat stiffer blades than usual 5ply, and here Butterfly feels more like home immediately, Hurricane requires much more adjustments , and it wasn't worth the trouble (for me of course)

 

[deepanmania]

I think you should stick with Butterfly, so Dignics 09c is a logical choice.

Hurricane is an acquired taste.

I think you should try Dignics 09c first. Everyone switching equipment has to go through an adjustment period. For the sake of progress you have made so far in your table tennis training and for fun's sake, you should choose D09c over Hurricane right now. Then when you are done with Dignics 09c (which lasts forever), then you can decide to continue with Dignics 09c or switch to Hurricane then.

Makes more sense, I'm addicted to the grippiness of D05 and the same top sheet is been used in the D09c also.

 

[deepanmania]

they play very differently, H3 has much higher throw angle, D05 is easier to hit through, D05 easier to counter loop because of its powerful sponge and lower throw. You will have to change your form quite a bit to get used to H3.

The lower throw is the problem for me in actual matches. I end up constantly adjusting the angle while doing topspin rallies. It's not the case with my training sessions but at actual matches, I'm exerting more power, timing problems and losing the point. I want something a little slower and with more control than D05.

 

[deepanmania]

Dignics 09c is for people who want a rubber that is fast enough to play like a Tenergy or regular Butterfly rubber but is controlled in the short game. Hurricane is for people who want to generate their own power and spin on just about every shot and have the technique, footwork and anticipation to do so.

Dignics 09c is definitely the more reasonable place to start. Not a bad place to end up either. Hurricane will suite you if you are advanced and an all out attacker and short pusher, but if you like to sometimes juat block and place the ball, stick with your current rubber, even D09c can be frustrating if you don't try to give effort, it is just not as unforgiving as Hurricane.

I'm not an all-out attacker, my timing and footwork is still not good in matches, long way to go. Sometimes I block and place the ball. And when I'm charging for a top spin in matches D05 sometimes goes to the net or out of the table. D05 is a very nice rubber, it's a spin monster when I'm doing normal topspin rallies and I have a very good placement during multiball training sessions.

But during matches, while playing against a variety of spins, my mind is not processing fast and I don't have control at all. That's why I need a little slower and controlled rubber than D05. If Glayzer 09c has 85-90% of the speed of D05, I can even go for that instead of D09c. After using D05 for so long, I can't switch to another type of rubber. I tried Rakza Z, MX-P, didn't get the same feel as D05.

Yeah, I'm now aligning with D09c.

 

[joshmak10]

So I currently have H3 Blue sponge on my FH and 09C on the BH. I’m going to test out 09C for Bh and twiddle to try FH as well but I can give you some experience from H3 Blue so far.

H3 Blue needs to be boosted to play well, so if you are not about to dedicate the time needed to boost then I would get 09C, it doesn’t need to be boosted. H3 blue has a pretty low throw angle compared to the 09C super high throw angle, so if you are used to the 05 low throw angle, H3 might be better to transition to. The short game of H3 is the best and this is one reason why I use H3, but 09C might have really good short game too, idk we shall see. Speed wise 09C will probably have more top end speed just due to the catapult effect from the Spring Sponge X but H3 can be just as fast or even faster when I use proper body transfer and full power into it, in fact, It was faster to me full power than D05. H3 is also the spinniest rubber I’ve ever tried but 09C might be just as spinny if not just a little less so we shall see. Spin sensitivity H3 is far less to me than D05, don’t know yet about 09C.

So my opinion is if you are wanting something close ish in terms of speed and feel to the D05 and a spinnier rubber than 05, go for 09C but be prepared for a transition period due to its high throw (and I’ve heard it’s REALLY high). But if you want to save money and have a similar throw rubber with more control and arguably more speed and definitely more spin than 05, go for a boosted H3 Blue. Go for 40 degrees 2 layers boosted Haifu Seamoon, this is the best H3 imo.

 

[Chang]

I would recommend getting a slower blade with those Dignics, or even Glayzer. Since you can use this combo in multiball, where all is given, where the ball will go, how fast, etc., yet you are struggling in a match, that means you have no control over it. Since you are using it in max thickness, it must be so hard to control. It would be better to go slower on the blade, where you can feel the ball. Dignics 09, K3, or Boosted Hurricane won´t solve it. These rubbers don´t forgive mistakes. That's my two cents.

 

[Federal_Agent]

In my experience the transition to hurricane 3 was easy. My technical movements are long and I am improving the generation of energy from the legs, I like the Chinese school.
Keep in mind that with H3 the trajectory of the ball is low and using the body is important for quality, when the blue sponge is activated the overal speed is high. More spin and velocity than D05.


I'm testing D09c (backhand side) and I don't consider the trajectory to be as high as they say, however the grip is excelent to spin generation, loops and loop to kill.

 

[NetProphet]

I'm not an all-out attacker, my timing and footwork is still not good in matches, long way to go. Sometimes I block and place the ball. And when I'm charging for a top spin in matches D05 sometimes goes to the net or out of the table. D05 is a very nice rubber, it's a spin monster when I'm doing normal topspin rallies and I have a very good placement during multiball training sessions.

But during matches, while playing against a variety of spins, my mind is not processing fast and I don't have control at all. That's why I need a little slower and controlled rubber than D05. If Glayzer 09c has 85-90% of the speed of D05, I can even go for that instead of D09c. After using D05 for so long, I can't switch to another type of rubber. I tried Rakza Z, MX-P, didn't get the same feel as D05.

Yeah, I'm now aligning with D09c.

I would venture that if you can do it in training, with robot and multiball etc but not in matches then the rubber is not the problem and you are likely to waste $80 without fixing the issue.
It sounds like your technique and timing let you down under pressure. If this is the case then a new rubber wont help.
Why not invest in recording some training and some matches and then some coaching to fix the issue. You can already do it quite well it seems, it may not take much to bring your training to your matches with the right advice.
Quite often (and I would say particularly at intermediate level when we've reached a plateau) the equipment gets blamed but I've seen sooo many cases (and indeed experienced firsthand) where new equipment makes no difference or even results in a setback as you try to adjust an already flawed technique to cater to another variable.

Just something to consider before dropping dollars on new equipment

 

[Aizen]

D05 and D09c are cousins. H3 is a guy from another country.

Even tough boosted h3 may have same sponge hardness with D09C, speed generation is whole different level.

 

[Dr Evil]

I play H3 BS fh and D09C bh. Completely different feel. Both are great forehand rubbers. H3 produces a more direct trajectory that dips at the last moment and kicks forwards and down. 09C has a much higher throw and produces a safer arc that bounces higher; it's easier to block or counter. H3 is slower on soft contact, faster on hard contact. They're both about as spinny as you can get. Both work best with active strokes. Blocking with both is trickier than with something like D05, but 09C is easier than H3. The short game is easier with H3. In general, coming from D05 you'll find the transition to D09C much easier. H3 is much more durable unless you use a lot of booster. The top sheet of 09C, like the few other hybrid rubbers I've tried, wears out very quickly.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

they play very differently, H3 has much higher throw angle, D05 is easier to hit through, D05 easier to counter loop because of its powerful sponge and lower throw. You will have to change your form quite a bit to get used to H3.

H3 has a lower throw angle than D09c.

I really didn't like D09c, for what it's worth. IMO Tenergy 05 Hard is a better option if you're looking for something more powerful on the forehand, and want to stick with Butterfly.

H3 blue sponge is pretty magical and it will force you to have good technique. It's worth a try. When you make a good loop with H3 it will be much harder to block/counter than a good loop with D09c. The short game is much nicer with H3 as well.