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Through my personal experience, also outside of TT, I've come to the realization that there are great differences in the ways people learn skills and absorb information. In contrast, I see pretty much every single trainer apply the same basics: they show and/or guide a movement, and when the player repeats that movement long enough, something is supposed to click into place, making it "work".
I, for one, find actually learning something this way very ineffective.

So here's my take on the different types of learning that I *know*.

The repeat-ingrain process.
As mentioned, this is where you see, hear and/or feel a movement, and repeat it multiple times in order to reproduce the same effect. This is how a drill sargeant works: they say "attention" and your instinctive reaction will become to salute. They say "topspin loop" and, well, you'll sort of salute, too.

The cause-and-effect process.
A little different, for instance here you'll hold out a bat to receive a ball, and feel/see/hear what it does when it makes contact. Great for learning the basics about spin, and you can combine with pre-drilled motions to learn what stroke has which consequence.

Most training I've seen and received in person end here, as far as strokes are concerned. Of course, you'll mix in footwork, and generic tactics, but that's where it ends.
Outside of TT, this is also where most courses stop. You get a follow-the-steps tutorial, a few questions, and then you "know" the thing. Ehh no.

The process of understanding the inner workings.
This is where I personally *love* to be. All the time. I dread tutorial-work, following basic steps. It just doesn't help much. And to be honest, I've done most of that already.
To me, this is the place things start to really click.
Example:
In 10+ active years of table tennis experience, I have *never*, not *once*, stepped back and thought about how a rubber grabs and propels a ball. In my head, things were simplified to: "The blade hits the ball for speed, the rubber does the spin." So for a fast shot, the blade needs to move fast, for a slow shot, the blade needs to be held pretty much still.
But that's not even half of it!
Only earlier this year did I realize, the force generated by the ball sinking into, and snapping out of, the rubber, has a significant effect on how fast the ball will travel. I've come to this epiphany on my own after fiddling around with a rubber band... Those things hurt like hell when you put tension on it, not when you throw them at someone really hard :p
So the elusive terms like "brushing a ball" (it's not a damn brush, it's rubber on wood) suddenly started making sense, because I would be using the rubber to *drag* the ball's surface.
I've learned about "driving" a ball what, two weeks ago. Acceleration while contacting a ball, allowing it to sink deeply into the rubber, apparently, so that the rubber and sponge contributes a whole lot more to the speed of the ball.
Also, I have thought for years that the notion of "it's all in the wrist" is some stupid saying by people that don't play TT. Little did I know wrist action allows for a lot of racket speed on contact and as such, can contribute to generating serious amounts of spin (and speed!).

...and why did I not know these things, despite having had formal training by licensed trainers for years? Because *none* of them explained the workings. Zero. Nobody thought, hey, let's explain the details and why they are important. Maybe this guy, and/or others, are very receptive to theory, mechanics and whatnot.

One can easily demonstrate the theoretical bits with a few basic exercises, make it accessible, and just make things click for people with minds that work like mine. And when I get the concepts, the why behind netting a ball, not landing a push, whatever, it is infinitely easier for me to make adjustments.

How does this work for you? Some people are absolute geniuses in that they can watch someone demo a stroke, and subsequently do it well themselves in 1-2 repeats. Some fare really well on feeling and seeing what the ball does in seperate situations, and maybe there are more different mechanics?

What's your best learning method?
 
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If you were to put it on a pyramid, it would be a weird shaped pyramid because the understanding would be the base, and the repetition would be on top because I agree with you that if you don't understand why you are doing something, it is harder to make adjustments.

However, for example, you can understand the physics behind generating power on your loop, but until you can actually do the movement repeatedly, you are not going to improve.

The more I learn about this sport, the more I realize the concepts (of the techniques) are not very complex, it's the execution where I fail, and really the only way to not fail is to practice those techniques thousands of times in a systematic way.

Also, I weight repetition significantly higher because the reality of this sport is that it is extremely fast paced, so often times, the decisions we make are made on muscle memory, which derives from repetition.

Of course, I am talking strictly about technique. When it comes to executing in-game tactics, which can only be done effectively once you have a solid foundation of technique, I rate conceptual understanding to be 80% of tactics and repetition to only be 20%, for me personally. Learning and improving tactics is more about understanding the game and your opponent. If you know your strengths, your opponents weaknesses, you understand the concept behind a tactic, AND you have a solid foundation of technique, you do not need a lot repetition to instantly and successfully implement a new tactic into your game.
 
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70% repetition

For me, it is depending who I am coaching.
kids, conceptual understand will be maybe 10~30%, depending how young
for adults, it would be 70%+

Repetition will be depending on how much time they have, obviously talking about adults as kids is normally not a problem.
 
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For me, it is depending who I am coaching.
kids, conceptual understand will be maybe 10~30%, depending how young
for adults, it would be 70%+

Repetition will be depending on how much time they have, obviously talking about adults as kids is normally not a problem.
For the masses, you would know way better than me! lol. I am speaking from my personal experience. Adults are able to understand the concepts of the physics behind table tennis more than children i'm sure, but when it comes down to it, you have to be able to execute. The only way to do that is to hit the ball and make the adjustments.

This might be an extraordinary situation, but one of my club mates has what I call "paralysis but analysis". He spends way too much mental effort thinking about the why of table tennis instead of simply executing his strokes with a muscle memory. You can literally see his mind churning a million different ways before a point trying to decide what serve to do. He wants to talk about each and every point during a fun match about why it worked or why it didn't work. I'm just like- dude the club is only open for 2.5 hours. We need to HIT the ball. Not TALK about hitting the ball lol.
 
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I learn best when these conditions / circumstances are present:
1. Access to a pro coach.
2. I need a coach because I can only learn through human-human interaction and tactile input.
3. To elaborate on point No.2: I need a coach to mollycoddle me, like hold my hand and simulate the stroke so that my mind can register the sensory input. Without all these, my mind cannot process the stroke.
4. That is why internet video or wordy descriptive writing is unable to penetrate my mind. My mind will automatically shut-down / log-off.
5. It suxs to be not able to get free stuff off the internet and have to pay a real professional to teach me TT.
6. It suxs because I need to pay the coach which means less resources to allocate towards EJ'ing!
 
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If you watch some Quanshibao videos, they do explain a lot of very important details which a lot of coaches dont do unfortunately.

For eg the method of looping pendulum (clockwise) sideunder and sidetop vs reverse pendulum (anticlockwise) sideunder and sidetop for BH and FH are quite different. I seen precisely 0 English tutorials talking about this (ie it is much better and easier to go with the spin rather than against the sidespin) and for me it was a huge problem for my game before I learnt it.

A lot of English tutorials actually teach the wrong concept and you only get a single 'FH loop against backspin' tutorial, with no elaboration of how to adjust for both sidespin directions, length of ball, degree of heaviness in the backspin and how to read and adjust for it, etc...

The way a lot of coaches go about it is to drill 1000 loops against pure backspin and then wonder why they keep missing in actual matchplay....

But for pro players, it is obvious that they learnt all of these stuff and have ingrained them (they could also be adjusting unconsciously for these variations due to way too much experience). It is definitely not as simple as 'loop vs backspin' the way some ppl are talking about it.
 
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Tldr: By getting private coaching.

Even I watch multiple times video, rehearse by shadow drill, catch video, then go play. I may fail, and repeat mistakes.

But with a proper coaching, I can understand better, or better embrace the concept by instant feedback and multiple repetition.

There are many players, I can explain concepts better then them, but they will play better than me.

Of course there is a thing as the skill which makes difference, someones are naturally inclined to learn faster.

I haven’t tried but the second be online coaching.
 
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I find the best way of learning to be taught by someone that already knows how to do what want to do. And that knows which issues you should fix first, instead of trying to fix 10 things at once.

Because it can be very hard to know what exactly is the issue is. You could think your technique for a specific stroke isn't good enough, so you keep training it. But after training it alot, you still get limited progress...

I have had this as well when I started playing again last year after 5 years of not playing. My old playing level came back quite quickly. Once you know how to do something you simply dont forget. But then I hit the same plateau as I did back then. To help me get past this plateau, I have had the privilege to have a few sessions with an ex National coach of our country: Anne Vlieg.

And we didn't focus much on technique at all. He said I had a good serve, forehand and backhand already. But the issues lied in the anticipation and footwork. Here are the points we adressed during the first session;

1. After I served I wouldn't get ready in time, I was too busy watching my own serve. This was a bad habbit I probably developed by practicing new serves so much and look if it had the desired spin and placement. As soon as you served, you can't change it. "You need to look at your opponent so you can see what he will do with your serve before he plays the ball. This gives you more time to anticipate."

2. In the rallies I had the same issue. I was caught ball watching. And this goes for the same as with the serve: "After you hit the ball you can't influence your shot anymore, so take this time to look at your opponent instead. Right before strikes you should look at the ball again. This is really important for anticipation."

3. The middle area... When played in my elbow area, I wasnt making a choice whether I wanted to play backhand or forehand. I was pretty much picking the option I could do without moving, lol.

4. Getting (and staying) lower when I play. I was standing way too upright. Not only does getting lower make it easier to move, it also makes it less likely play the ball off the end of the table.

So I pretty much dedicated my entire season focussing on these. The ball watching was easy one to focus on. After I eliminated this my serve recieve game became so much easier. Because I could see early if my opponent was going to push, or attack the next ball. I was getting slight improvements on playing in a lower position and moving around my elbow, but in faster rallies I would start to gravitate away from the table and stand upright again.

After the season was over, I decided to join a bootcamp from Rudi van der Schoot, an ex Eredivision coach. We focussed more on the staying lower and elbow area and maybe even more important: "You have to stay close to the table before you can play away from the table."

I was a bit sceptical at first about the playing close to the table part. Because my strenght was to hit winners from mid-distance. But he let his son play against me, he is a 1st division player. He pretty much gave me no pace, and wide angles, which I couldn't do anything against because I was standing to far from the table. I wasn't standing crazy far away, just about 4 feet away, but against that opponent, it was to far away. I had to reach further for wide angles, and the ball wouldnt come deep enough to get a proper attack in.

So we pretty much focussed for 2 months on these points. Even though I struggled with staying close and low, slowly but surely I adjusted.

Its now 4 months later and man its so much better to play close to the table. Just by playing close and low makes it so much easier to pressure your opponent. It also makes it easier for yourself because the distance you have to move is less. And just keeping the ball on the table when staying close already puts som sort of pressure on your opponent. Now the new season has started again and I already beat 2 players that are 100-200 points higher in rating.

Okay I kind of lost track with typing the whole story... Haha.

Oh yeah right. Having someone to work with you physicly and point out the slight flaws you have in your game has been the most effective so far. If you cant find anyone to guide you in person, then I think having someone like Heming guide you online could work as well, but the feedback wont be as instant.
 
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Anne! I had a great chat with him the other day when I was at the Sport Europe shop :) excellent person, very insightful and he really has his own perspective on things.

Because it's a pretty unique perspective within training here, you're bound to learn something from it just by looking at your game in a different way. But as with all methods, it doesn't cover other perspectives ;) so it will have its own shortcomings.

At our club we have Jochem de Hoop doing the training, and in the recreational and lower classes, it's basically 80% about footwork, irregular drills (so dealing with unpredictable balls) and a little bit of technique here and there. It works, because it can be done by anyone in the group and at the same time focuses on matchplay simulation at least in the department of footwork and decision making.

I'd love to join in on some training camp, just to as you said, really figure out which steps will be useful to improve (and why, please tell me why, too).
I'm realizing my birthday is probably during off season... Hmm:unsure:
 
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Anne! I had a great chat with him the other day when I was at the Sport Europe shop :) excellent person, very insightful and he really has his own perspective on things.

Because it's a pretty unique perspective within training here, you're bound to learn something from it just by looking at your game in a different way. But as with all methods, it doesn't cover other perspectives ;) so it will have its own shortcomings.

At our club we have Jochem de Hoop doing the training, and in the recreational and lower classes, it's basically 80% about footwork, irregular drills (so dealing with unpredictable balls) and a little bit of technique here and there. It works, because it can be done by anyone in the group and at the same time focuses on matchplay simulation at least in the department of footwork and decision making.

I'd love to join in on some training camp, just to as you said, really figure out which steps will be useful to improve (and why, please tell me why, too).
I'm realizing my birthday is probably during off season... Hmm:unsure:
Well you could contact Rudi through Sport Europe. He leads the SE Experience center and he usually does group sessions off season, but also occasionally sessions during the season in weeks where there is no matches.
 
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You may know this when you've learned to play music: learn a piece so slowly that you don't make mistakes. Then gradually up the tempo.
When you go too fast you can fall in the trap of repeating a mistake.. and that gets ingrained. Hard to unlearn mistakes.

The same principle applies to many skills, including sports like table tennis. When you practice slowly and correctly, you build a solid foundation. Speeding up too soon can lead to ingraining mistakes, which are much harder to correct later on. It's all about patience and precision.

That's why it's so important not to have a too fast setup when you're not ready for it.
Learn the skills slowly, repeat and when you can repeat it without failure up the tempo.
 
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You may know this when you've learned to play music: learn a piece so slowly that you don't make mistakes. Then gradually up the tempo.
When you go too fast you can fall in the trap of repeating a mistake.. and that gets ingrained. Hard to unlearn mistakes.

The same principle applies to many skills, including sports like table tennis. When you practice slowly and correctly, you build a solid foundation. Speeding up too soon can lead to ingraining mistakes, which are much harder to correct later on. It's all about patience and precision.

That's why it's so important not to have a too fast setup when you're not ready for it.
Learn the skills slowly, repeat and when you can repeat it without failure up the tempo.
Funny you say that. I'm actually getting used to a fast blade, coming from a slow one. I find that it works beneficial because I have to slow down my movements and make them fluent, which in turn makes them less risky.
 
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So I pretty much dedicated my entire season focussing on these. The ball watching was easy one to focus on. After I eliminated this my serve recieve game became so much easier.
Your points 1 to 4 describe me EXACTLY as well, which makes me think it's a very very common problem. My theory about watching our own service is because during training we have to watch the ball to get feedback that we are doing it correctly. Repeat this thousands of times, and it becomes ingrained in us.

How did you eliminate the (serve) ball watching? What specifically did you do to eliminate this?
 
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Your points 1 to 4 describe me EXACTLY as well, which makes me think it's a very very common problem. My theory about watching our own service is because during training we have to watch the ball to get feedback that we are doing it correctly. Repeat this thousands of times, and it becomes ingrained in us.

How did you eliminate the (serve) ball watching? What specifically did you do to eliminate this?
What I did was make sure to get into a ready playing position right after the serve. Because being ready for the next ball is whats most important. Even if your anticipation is good, if you are not ready then you can’t play properly. I would say something to aim for is to be ready before your serve bounced on the opponents side.

This was the easy bit. What was more difficult was to watch the opponent instead of the ball. And not actually doing it, but reminding myself to do it before every serve. I might do it the first 4 serves, and then the drive to win kicks in and you start focusing more on winning then on what you are trying to improve.

Try to make yourself remember every time you have the ball in your hand before serving. Eventually you don’t have to think about it too much anymore.
 
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Here's a little different perspective which still belongs here IMO:

"You should learn your strokes with slow equipment"

I no longer agree with this statement.

I've played for 15 years with a slow all-wood blade and soft rubbers. 15 years where I have developed a style of wild, overhitting, flailing almost just to hopefully launch a mediocre attack. My FH loop was high risk, hardly landed, and not really dangerous to be fair. The same can be said for my BH attacks, and even BH opening loops. They sucked! It left me plateauing for years on end only to quit playing in 2010.

Forwarding to 2024 - I've restarted, and learned SO MUCH in such a short period of time. About equipment, technique, movement, posture... It's insane. And what am I using right now? A fast, outer-fiber blade, with much harder rubbers. It's unforgiving, and as such it forces me to make better strokes. Those wild strokes of old, they go over, into the net, hit my opponent in the eye and whatnot. Actually the same as before, only much faster. It forced me to slow down, focus on playing a fluent, lighter shot, contact the ball and pull it, so much more than just whacking around and hoping the ball will exit the rubber correctly. Whacking like a wild rabid dog just doesn't make any sense! It doesn't work to hit harder, the ball will fail even harder.

I would NEVER have learned this without trying much faster and harder equipment, and finding out that my speed limit doesn't actually increase much at all. I have an insane whip of a flat hit smash (which doesn't really land much) and it goes just as fast with the slow blade as it does with the fast one. Why? Because my stroke is not effective.

It is much, much more effective to play a compact(ish) stroke, not a whole lot of backswing, and use that extra time to position myself better for the shot. It is much more effective to accelerate throughout the contact, rather than backswinging up to sonic speed and hitting the ball without further acceleration. (The acceleration will allow the ball to stick to the bat just a little longer, and push it into the rubber just a little bit more)

What I DID learn from slow equipment: serving well, playing a good short game, as well as a lot of touch-feeling. I also learned a lot about watching what the ball does, judging spin and speed, a *lot* of anticipatory skills (because I didn't develop the qualities needed to initiate).

What I WILL be using slower equipment for (eventually): verifying that my adjustments translate to a more effective stroke. If I can play strong, dangerous attacks with a slowish 5-ply and actually produce penetrative power, that's when I know it worked. But without playing fast stuff, I would have never gotten this insight.
 
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Not sure if 'slow' is always good. Slow setups forces you to learn how to use body to hit hard, but fast setups really punish suboptimal control strokes like short push if they are not done correctly. If you can short push sidetopspin serves with primorac carbon + dignics, you can short push everything lol. Same with active blocking etc. A lot of ppl just rely on equipment for control when really it is more in the technique!
 
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Here's a little different perspective which still belongs here IMO:

"You should learn your strokes with slow equipment"

I no longer agree with this statement.

I've played for 15 years with a slow all-wood blade and soft rubbers. 15 years where I have developed a style of wild, overhitting, flailing almost just to hopefully launch a mediocre attack. My FH loop was high risk, hardly landed, and not really dangerous to be fair. The same can be said for my BH attacks, and even BH opening loops. They sucked! It left me plateauing for years on end only to quit playing in 2010.

Forwarding to 2024 - I've restarted, and learned SO MUCH in such a short period of time. About equipment, technique, movement, posture... It's insane. And what am I using right now? A fast, outer-fiber blade, with much harder rubbers. It's unforgiving, and as such it forces me to make better strokes. Those wild strokes of old, they go over, into the net, hit my opponent in the eye and whatnot. Actually the same as before, only much faster. It forced me to slow down, focus on playing a fluent, lighter shot, contact the ball and pull it, so much more than just whacking around and hoping the ball will exit the rubber correctly. Whacking like a wild rabid dog just doesn't make any sense! It doesn't work to hit harder, the ball will fail even harder.

I would NEVER have learned this without trying much faster and harder equipment, and finding out that my speed limit doesn't actually increase much at all. I have an insane whip of a flat hit smash (which doesn't really land much) and it goes just as fast with the slow blade as it does with the fast one. Why? Because my stroke is not effective.

It is much, much more effective to play a compact(ish) stroke, not a whole lot of backswing, and use that extra time to position myself better for the shot. It is much more effective to accelerate throughout the contact, rather than backswinging up to sonic speed and hitting the ball without further acceleration. (The acceleration will allow the ball to stick to the bat just a little longer, and push it into the rubber just a little bit more)

What I DID learn from slow equipment: serving well, playing a good short game, as well as a lot of touch-feeling. I also learned a lot about watching what the ball does, judging spin and speed, a *lot* of anticipatory skills (because I didn't develop the qualities needed to initiate).

What I WILL be using slower equipment for (eventually): verifying that my adjustments translate to a more effective stroke. If I can play strong, dangerous attacks with a slowish 5-ply and actually produce penetrative power, that's when I know it worked. But without playing fast stuff, I would have never gotten this insight.
I kind of agree with you
i now play with the fastest equipment and have always been increasing speed / spin at each change (i seldom change equipment)

EXCEPT in 2023 where i slowed down a bit (from Acoustic Inner+T80+D80 to MK Carbon + Hybrid MK + K3) and because i felt the Tibhar setup was so slow i had to learn how to better use my body and wrist.
then i came back with my current setup and all my strokes were more controlled and more effective.

with the faster blade, you need more compact strokes and know how to use your body. Its something its easier to learn with slower equipment because with faster equipment, the lazier players wont learn it as just putting your racket and blocking the ball will already put it on the table easily
 
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