How does one get good at RPB

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I have not played RPB for long and only used TPB for most of the time. I am learning RPB but I seem to keep missing the ball. I just don't get the form and I need some advice. i can score points with my rpb but I just can't do rallies. Xu Xin and Wang Hao seem to have aimbot backhands while doing rallies can someone explain how I can get better at rpb
I also need advice on forehand I would really appreciate that.
I use the same grip as Xu Xin with 3 support fingers
I also change my service grip just like how Xu Xin does.

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I'd start by replacing that picture. Anyone but XX. WH, WCT, QD, ZZH, XF, F. Lebrun...
 
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The GOAT penhold video.

Hopefully it's helpful but rpb is very tricky. It takes a lot of understanding about your grip and how you play.
 
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MLin (actually started out with long pips) and XX didn't start with RPB so aren't good references. 半路出家, so to speak. So you're learning from learners, which is far from ideal.
 
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MLin (actually started out with long pips) and XX didn't start with RPB so aren't good references. 半路出家, so to speak. So you're learning from learners, which is far from ideal.
Also XX's rpb is unique as he has huge hands that he holds paddle certain way so he can fit or take advantage of his big hands, unless you also have abnormally big hands.
 
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So I should idealise someone like Wang Hao? or F Lebrun ( the second coming of Wang Hao) yk being a backhand oriented penhold player.
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MLin (actually started out with long pips) and XX didn't start with RPB so aren't good references. 半路出家, so to speak. So you're learning from learners, which is far from ideal.
I did not know that Ma Lin used long pips :0
 
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Also XX's rpb is unique as he has huge hands that he holds paddle certain way so he can fit or take advantage of his big hands, unless you also have abnormally big hands.
I started as a shakehands player then I found penhold to be cool and learned it. i used traditional 3 fingers curled only using one rubber for a while and later switched to a more modern grip with 2 fingers as support played that way for a while and spent a lot of time on it but forehand felt off and I could not do rpb at all but after switching to xu xin`s grip forehand was just easier and I am more consistent with my shots with this grip. and just like xu xin I do use a different grip for service
 
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Also XX's rpb is unique as he has huge hands that he holds paddle certain way so he can fit or take advantage of his big hands, unless you also have abnormally big hands.
And his FH-oriented footwork. XX is second to WLQ in terms of footwork, which is the hardest table tennis skill to acquire and master. At his best, XX is like a penhold version of WLQ with a much weaker defense, and WLQ is said to have the best defense on the CNT by Li Xiaodong during the MT F against FZD at National Games 2013.
 
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And his FH-oriented footwork. XX is second to WLQ in terms of footwork, which is the hardest table tennis skill to learn and master. At his best, XX is like a penhold version of WLQ with a much weaker defense, and WLQ was said to have the best defense by Li Xiaodong during the MT F against FZD at National Games 2013.
Now I just feel demovitadet :(
but do you have any tips for developing similar footwork?
 
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Best training for footwork and forehand, I've found is full table forehand. You can find many videos of pros do this exercise.

Start at backhand position, then middle, then forehand, back to middle. Back to starting position. Shuffle and stay balanced for every shot. Always aim for a specific spot on opposing side of table. As long as you focus on doing it right and with a quality feel of the ball it's one of the best drills. But it'll be hard to do at first.
 
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Now I just feel demovitadet :(
but do you have any tips for developing similar footwork?
No, which is why I urged you to ditch XX to begin with. Again, footwork is the hardest table tennis skill to acquire and master.

You have to give up at least 1 of the 3 - FH, BH, or footwork. Either (strong) FH and (strong) footwork (which together are harder than hardest) or (less strong) FH and (strong) BH (why do you think everyone plays this way nowadays?).
 
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No, which is why I urged you to ditch XX to begin with. Again, footwork is the hardest table tennis skill to acquire and master.

You have to give up at least 1 of the 3 - FH, BH, or footwork. Either FH and footwork (which together are harder than hardest) or FH and BH (why do you think everyone plays this way nowadays?).
Guess I’m ditching backhand like that other j pen dude
I am joking and will give up on footwork
 
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To be honest, for mere mortals, it's better to learn from MLin's serve-n-attack and short game than from XX's FH and footwork AND on top of that hope to be good at RPB. XX didn't even know how to FH flick as Wu Jingping told when he started coaching him.

FWIW, Jiang Jialiang said MLin's game is the ideal penhold style when he commentated for TVB during the MS F between WH and ZJK at London 2012.
 
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To improve any stroke, you do have to do hundreds of repetitions. If the stroke is really not so good, being fed multiball or using a robot can be a start. Multiball is better than a robot, but if you don't have someone to feed you multiball and you do have a robot, you use what you have.

You can even practice self hitting methods to help improve a shot.

But at a certain point, you need to be able to train your FH and RPB strokes while hitting with a real human being.

And, to get decent at a stroke you have to do hundreds of thousands of repetitions.
 
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MLin (actually started out with long pips) and XX didn't start with RPB so aren't good references. 半路出家, so to speak. So you're learning from learners, which is far from ideal.
Learners? Wow

I rather learn from learners than ob forum members to be honest.
Well that is just me.

I guess waldners coach was also a learner too
 
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