How is this coach salary - England?

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Table Tennis England - National Pathway Coach - Table Tennis England

The National Pathway Coach role is a significant opportunity for an individual who believes they cansupport a player to build world class fundamentals in order

www.tabletennisengland.co.uk

could the English users comment how a 30-32k GBP salary fare in the the scope of things in England (low/medium/high etc)

 

[NetProphet]

Table Tennis England - National Pathway Coach - Table Tennis England

The National Pathway Coach role is a significant opportunity for an individual who believes they cansupport a player to build world class fundamentals in order

www.tabletennisengland.co.uk

could the English users comment how a 30-32k GBP salary fare in the the scope of things in England (low/medium/high etc)

In national wage terms its low.
Average UK wage is appx £40k, in London it's appx £50k.
I assume it would be a part time position tho so probably tenable with another salary supplementing.
If you need to be in and around London to work with and train players it's not going to go very far though.
London is just astronomically expensive!

 

[vvk1]

Low obviously.

 

[JJ Ng]

Cost of living is high in UK so a 30-32k GBP a year does not get you far. It is the equivalent of $30-$32k a year job in the US which is not very high.

Taiwan has unusual low cost of living (especially in regard to food). I don't know how Taiwan does it; low cost of living and low wages. But in the US and in UK, the cost of living is quite high so 30-32k GBP a year does not buy you much even though that kind of salary looks to be very high when converted to new Taiwanese dollars.

 

[d3nium]

It's a rubbish wage, especially considering all the travelling that will be involved, and it being London based.

This is why the UK sucks at table tennis. Too many fat men/women in suits doing nothing, taking a massive wage & won't pay for quality coaches.

 

[Dominikk85]

In national wage terms its low.
Average UK wage is appx £40k, in London it's appx £50k.
I assume it would be a part time position tho so probably tenable with another salary supplementing.
If you need to be in and around London to work with and train players it's not going to go very far though.
London is just astronomically expensive!

That happens unfortunately in many entry level coaching positions, pay is very low because they are selling the "dream" and climbing the ladder.

This is even more extreme in more popular sports like soccer and baseball.

Often the deal is "get paid part time but work full or overtime". 2 or 3 years ago there was a big scandal in soccer in Germany. Clubs have youth academies where youth players live and get trained full time and they had youth coaches hired who were paid part time but worked much more and where instructed to not record work time when they traveled on tournaments.

Still they would find coaches who would do it because they where dreaming to get promoted to a higher paying position (ideally a pro head coach of course).

 

[Bran]

The application form mentions the job being located in the Elite Training Centre, which seems to be based in Sheffield. This wage in Sheffield may be more reasonable than in London.

Application form

PLACE OF WORK:
The place of work will be where our Elite Training Centre is based with significant international and domestic travel to meet the player’s needs.

Article mentioning the Elite training centre in Sheffield

The Elite Training Centre in Sheffield recently hosted the first Pathway Development Centre (PDC) training weekend, bringing together 12 talented players and coaches from across the PDC network.

PDC players and coaches get Elite Training Centre experience - Table Tennis England

Video: The Elite Training Centre in Sheffield recently hosted the first Pathway Development Centre (PDC) training weekend, bringing together 12 talented players and coaches from across the PDC network.

www.tabletennisengland.co.uk

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Cost of living is high in UK so a 30-32k GBP a year does not get you far. It is the equivalent of $30-$32k a year job in the US which is not very high.

Taiwan has unusual low cost of living (especially in regard to food). I don't know how Taiwan does it; low cost of living and low wages. But in the US and in UK, the cost of living is quite high so 30-32k GBP a year does not buy you much even though that kind of salary looks to be very high when converted to new Taiwanese dollars.

only bad thing about cost of living in Taiwan is buying a property.

someone who finish school without those top degrees will earn say 30k ntd salary, but to buy a 20 million property (which is small and old). If you double the earning (or with a partner), 60k per month or say 700k per year at full salary requires mortgage for 30 years.
unrealistic hey? haha
I read someone that Taiwan is 3 times worse than the USA when comes to property price - salary.

but food is cheap, education, healthcare is cheap and very high standards (I think Taiwanese health insurance is ranked 1st in the world). I also have no idea how they keep it so low.

Due to Taiwanese semiconductor industry (which has push up the avg salary), the average salary reported in 2023 was 58k a month. Min salary is 23k a month

Coaches can earn 60k to 80k, so this is double your classmates when you in your 20s. So being a table tennis coach is attractive. But the working hours are afternoon to evening, and includes weekends.

good coaches who rich folks will "hire you out" and just look after 1 or 2 kids, generally get 80k to 140k a month.
In US terms, that is nothing, 140k is only 4600 usd.

 

[youngstt]

It's a rubbish wage, especially considering all the travelling that will be involved, and it being London based.

This is why the UK sucks at table tennis. Too many fat men/women in suits doing nothing, taking a massive wage & won't pay for quality coaches.

Many reasons why England don't have more high level players. That wage is only average for Sheffield. Easy to say spend more on better coaches? Table Tennis England operates at a small loss, so where is the money coming from ?

I just looked at the accounts & didn't see evidence for fat people taking massive wages.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Many reasons why England don't have more high level players. That wage is only average for Sheffield. Easy to say spend more on better coaches? Table Tennis England operates at a small loss, so where is the money coming from ?

I just looked at the accounts & didn't see evidence for fat people taking massive wages.

will any of the existing coaches go for that role
i mean, maybe coach is earning more than that already? so won't downgrade to lower salary
or maybe coaches are earning less, so they would go for it?

 

[youngstt]

will any of the existing coaches go for that role
i mean, maybe coach is earning more than that already? so won't downgrade to lower salary
or maybe coaches are earning less, so they would go for it?

In London some freelance coaches may have set hours at a big club, but will get paid more per hour with private sessions. But of course private sessions are never guaranteed, so income is variable.

Most smaller clubs don't have a coach at all which makes it difficult to raise playing standards here.

Would be great to get a top coach leading England, but would someone come from Germany or Sweden for that salary........

 

[d3nium]

Many reasons why England don't have more high level players. That wage is only average for Sheffield. Easy to say spend more on better coaches? Table Tennis England operates at a small loss, so where is the money coming from ?

I just looked at the accounts & didn't see evidence for fat people taking massive wages.

Have you been to the nationals recently? There's boat loads of TTE suits wandering around doing nothing. TTE are a joke of an organisation. It's a crap wage anywhere in the country. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

 

[youngstt]

Have you been to the nationals recently? There's boat loads of TTE suits wandering around doing nothing. TTE are a joke of an organisation. It's a crap wage anywhere in the country. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

How do we get more money into the sport in England ?

 

[hallohallowhatuwant]

this is junior doctor level and they're all on strike....

 

[JJ Ng]

only bad thing about cost of living in Taiwan is buying a property.

someone who finish school without those top degrees will earn say 30k ntd salary, but to buy a 20 million property (which is small and old). If you double the earning (or with a partner), 60k per month or say 700k per year at full salary requires mortgage for 30 years.
unrealistic hey? haha
I read someone that Taiwan is 3 times worse than the USA when comes to property price - salary.

but food is cheap, education, healthcare is cheap and very high standards (I think Taiwanese health insurance is ranked 1st in the world). I also have no idea how they keep it so low.

Due to Taiwanese semiconductor industry (which has push up the avg salary), the average salary reported in 2023 was 58k a month. Min salary is 23k a month

Coaches can earn 60k to 80k, so this is double your classmates when you in your 20s. So being a table tennis coach is attractive. But the working hours are afternoon to evening, and includes weekends.

good coaches who rich folks will "hire you out" and just look after 1 or 2 kids, generally get 80k to 140k a month.
In US terms, that is nothing, 140k is only 4600 usd.

Yes I heard that rent is cheap but yet property value is super high?

Just to put the number in perspective, it is 33 NTD to 1 USD. So say a new grad going to Taiwan semiconductor industry, then 58k NTD a month is only $1757 per month or $21,000 USD a year. That is not a lot of money, considering many new grads in the US going into computer science could start with a new job paying them $70k to $150k a year depending on which part of the US they are going to be living at. Property values are high in the US but at least the salary kind of matches it to some degree.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yes I heard that rent is cheap but yet property value is super high?

Just to put the number in perspective, it is 33 NTD to 1 USD. So say a new grad going to Taiwan semiconductor industry, then 58k NTD a month is only $1757 per month or $21,000 USD a year. That is not a lot of money, considering many new grads in the US going into computer science could start with a new job paying them $70k to $150k a year depending on which part of the US they are going to be living at. Property values are high in the US but at least the salary kind of matches it to some degree.

58k is the national avg.
semiconductor start job, i'm not sure, but it surely is 80k +
which isn't high in US terms for sure.

the salary-property price in USA i recall, is average 7 times your annual salary, Taiwan is 20 something times your annual salary.

so yeah, Taiwan's income in generally is lower. Other than property price to purchase, everything else (including rental) is very affordable. This is something USA doesn't have and need a higher income to sustain - and also why Sally, Darryl and probably over a dozen American travel to Taiwan for training.
Erica Wu used to train in Taiwan too, so it isn't just nowadays.

Taiwan property price was actually inflated in an alarming scale when the then ruling party in Taiwan (who was China friendly), opened the doors to China and allowed Chinese investors to buy properties, and the volume of property investors has since then hurt local buyers (sounds the same in every country). The price hasn't come down yet.

But back to coaches in Taiwan, they earn above avg incomes, and of course the more accolades they had as a player, or as a coach will push up the price.

There are also many former CNT turn JNT player/coaches who prefer to coach in Taiwan than Japan.
That is also one I am now connected to JNT

 

[NetProphet]

Yes I heard that rent is cheap but yet property value is super high?

Just to put the number in perspective, it is 33 NTD to 1 USD. So say a new grad going to Taiwan semiconductor industry, then 58k NTD a month is only $1757 per month or $21,000 USD a year. That is not a lot of money, considering many new grads in the US going into computer science could start with a new job paying them $70k to $150k a year depending on which part of the US they are going to be living at. Property values are high in the US but at least the salary kind of matches it to some degree.

But converting the Taiwan wage to USD and comparing to the wage in a America makes no sense and only leads to incorrect conclusions.
It's the cost of living that determines if a wage is good, bad or otherwise and almost everything in Taiwan is less expensive than the massively over inflated cost in the US.

Property in Taiwan is also an exception with its own rules because there are almost 25 million people living in an area less than one tenth the size of California. That's half the size of Ireland, approximately the size of Maryland! Taiwan is the 2nd most overpopulated country (population density) in the world!

Anyway, point is that $1800 a month in Taiwan is actually pretty good and affords you a higher standard of living than the average American. That's factoring in Education, Healthcare, Food, Travel, food, clothing etc.