Hurricane 3 neo

[lucatt]

Hi guys,
so im like an intermideate player can play every shot but need to work on consistensy. My dream setup, im looking for right now is:
Blade: Donic Original True Carbon Innerforce
BH: Xiom Vega Pro H max red
FH: Hurricane 3 neo 2.2 black
Would you recommend this setup, do you think it would fit me, because im not sure like what my level really is and what setup would be good for me. Can you say anything on the Blade and rubbers?
I am also a bit worried abou the Hurricane, because i've heard some players say that it's really hard for not chinese or asian that played with that rubber for there whole life that it's really hard to play with because you need a lot of weight transfer.
And if I buy Hurrican, do you think I should boost it or not, does it get to fast if I boost it? Sometimes they also are pre-boosted in the factory.
Thank you all.

 

[Zeen]

IMO, hurricane is not good for developing players. The commercial version is too inconsistent in quality, needs a long boosting procedure before working properly and overall needs too high of a level to play properly.
I know a developing player in my club who is obsessed with DHS equipment, and guess what, he is playing a carbon blade with double hurricane, which stunts his growth massively. Sometimes he hits rockets, sometimes he hits anywhere but on the table.

If you are looking for consistency, stay away from hurricane. You played a all-wood blade with a 45 degree rubber, a setup that is perfect for developing a consistent technique. If you have problems with consistency, the main issues you should look into are your technique. The true carbon blade also will be way way faster and less feeling than your ma lin. If you switch into hurricane and hard fast carbon blade you can expect to lose out massively on the consistency department.

What is wrong with your current equipment that makes you want to change? You think your "dream" equipment will magically make you play better? To me it sounds like you fell hard for some marketing blurb.

 

[Tyce]

I second this part: if you need to work on your consistency, why are you looking to change equipment?
If you feel like your equipment is troubling you in terms of concistency, and you need to change it to rebuild, opt for slower, more controlled equipment rather than a rocketship dream.

 

[Sims]

I second this part: if you need to work on your consistency, why are you looking to change equipment?
If you feel like your equipment is troubling you in terms of concistency, and you need to change it to rebuild, opt for slower, more controlled equipment rather than a rocketship dream.

+1 on this
I played the Ma Lin Extra Offensive and found it a bit fast and lacking feeling. Of course not everyone experiences this blade this way but I say it because a slower blade with more feeling might be all you need to attack your next 6 mths of training and make big strides in your consistency. It worked for me to the point where people were commenting and I went from finishing 14th (from 18) to finishing 5th from 20 players the following season.
This is just personal experience of course but it might be good to start there and invest in the best blade for your game and keep the rubbers if you like them.

 

[doppelmoral]

I agree, you dont need hurricane, its all about technique.

I dont agree about the part of hurricane not being good for development players. I am one and hurricane fits me better than any other rubber that I tested, mainly because I love how it plays in serve receives, it just boosts my confidence.

For looping, I‘d say it doesn’t matter if I use hurricane or a ESN type like fastarc g1, can get used to either one.

On a sidenote, the vega pro H is rlly slow on BH and was not so much for me (but need to test it more)

 

[lucatt]

I agree, you dont need hurricane, its all about technique.

I dont agree about the part of hurricane not being good for development players. I am one and hurricane fits me better than any other rubber that I tested, mainly because I love how it plays in serve receives, it just boosts my confidence.

For looping, I‘d say it doesn’t matter if I use hurricane or a ESN type like fastarc g1, can get used to either one.

On a sidenote, the vega pro H is rlly slow on BH and was not so much for me (but need to test it more)

I'd also think Hurricane would fit me well, do you have any recommendations for backhand, i like to flick so a good one for flicking? And do you think if I get the Hurricane 3 neo commercial, i need to boost it?

 

[lucatt]

I agree, you dont need hurricane, its all about technique.

I dont agree about the part of hurricane not being good for development players. I am one and hurricane fits me better than any other rubber that I tested, mainly because I love how it plays in serve receives, it just boosts my confidence.

For looping, I‘d say it doesn’t matter if I use hurricane or a ESN type like fastarc g1, can get used to either one.

On a sidenote, the vega pro H is rlly slow on BH and was not so much for me (but need to test it more)

And also would you recommend 39 degree or 37 and to boost them or not

 

[doppelmoral]

Get 39 degree, try it unboosted or put 1 layer of booster and try it then, whatever you like

 

[greenbeanmachine]

I played the Ma Lin Extra Offensive and found it a bit fast and lacking feeling.

Ma Lin Extra Offensive is a blade made for penholders. It is made so that you have good feeling in the penhold position -- thumb and index on the wings, other fingers behind the blade. If you're not a penholder, you are somewhat misusing this blade and will miss out on the feeling that it offers. @lucatt are you a penholder?

 

[Lazer]

If You are still working on consistency, You should go down in speed. Donic Original True Carbon Innerforce is too fast. And the part about that Hurricane is more difficult and You need to have a perfect physical condition... bla bla bla. Its a hunk of horse sh-t. The simple fact is that since it is a slower rubber You need to hit harder and yes You will have a slight advantage using an Chinese (longer) FH compared to a European (shorter) FH. But there is absolutely. In reality, this doesn't mean dudley squat on the level I have seen on this forum. If You want to use Hurricane go for it.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[dingyibvs]

If you need more consistency, then work on consistency. Nothing else matters in the long run. If you change equipment, it'll probably slow down your development by a couple weeks, but it won't matter in the long run. A slower setup may give you a temporary boost in consistency, a faster one may give you a temporary detriment, but at the highest power level most equipment can generate rockets. When you get to the point where you can get into position and swing hard every shot, you'll simply need consistency in technique for consistency.

 

[NextLevel]

If you need more consistency, then work on consistency. Nothing else matters in the long run. If you change equipment, it'll probably slow down your development by a couple weeks, but it won't matter in the long run. A slower setup may give you a temporary boost in consistency, a faster one may give you a temporary detriment, but at the highest power level most equipment can generate rockets. When you get to the point where you can get into position and swing hard every shot, you'll simply need consistency in technique for consistency.

I strongly endorse this post and argue that technical stability and the ability to find range in technical stability is more important than equipment speed when you are learning. What it means to swing hard changes in meaning as you get better and play people who put more quality on the ball so being able to learn with practice and experience to control and attack various incoming balls is ultimately the goal.

 

[Musaab]

IMO, hurricane is not good for developing players. The commercial version is too inconsistent in quality, needs a long boosting procedure before working properly and overall needs too high of a level to play properly.
I know a developing player in my club who is obsessed with DHS equipment, and guess what, he is playing a carbon blade with double hurricane, which stunts his growth massively. Sometimes he hits rockets, sometimes he hits anywhere but on the table.

If you are looking for consistency, stay away from hurricane. You played a all-wood blade with a 45 degree rubber, a setup that is perfect for developing a consistent technique. If you have problems with consistency, the main issues you should look into are your technique. The true carbon blade also will be way way faster and less feeling than your ma lin. If you switch into hurricane and hard fast carbon blade you can expect to lose out massively on the consistency department.

What is wrong with your current equipment that makes you want to change? You think your "dream" equipment will magically make you play better? To me it sounds like you fell hard for some marketing blurb.

If you are looking for consistency, stay away from boosing. H3 is great for developping players because it is not foregiving, you either make the right stroke or you don't and the quality will drop righ away

 

[Tyce]

The problem isn't Hurricane, it's the carbon blade. In the DHS lineup, and Chinese philosophy, there is plenty of room for the classic 5ply

 

[ejprinz]

My current way is to use the same rubbers and top wood on a flexible 7-ply or 5-ply blade for training and a 5-ply inner KLC blade for competition. The non-carbon blades (Victas Swat, Xiom Offensive S, ...) have a smaller sweet spot and force me to be more precise. The KLC blade gives me the same Limba top feeling but has a larger sweet spot and the KLC helps absorb the opponent's top spin. I use DHS H3 Neo 39deg unboosted and Neottek Hinomi M, and this gives me good control even for f/h chopping.

 

[Zeen]

If you are looking for consistency, stay away from boosing. H3 is great for developping players because it is not foregiving, you either make the right stroke or you don't and the quality will drop righ away

kind of true, but you already mentioned the issue. As a beginner, with H3 you would need to train for 1-2 years before you would have any success with it in a real match scenario, because there is no forgiveness. Unless you do stupid coping technique like brushing the ball without compressing the sponge, which actually stunts your growth.
In any way, your peers that use normal medium rubbers will have long surpassed you and you will quit TT being frustrated about the lack of progress. However, if you are obsessively believing in the supremacy of H3 so much that it becomes your fuel for training just to get that one magical shot once in a blue moon, then go for it, motivation for training is always good.

I have seen all of these cases firsthand over many years (including myself lol).

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Unless you do stupid coping technique like brushing the ball without compressing the sponge, which actually stunts your growth.

Why is brushing without compressing the sponge bad?

 

[dingyibvs]

kind of true, but you already mentioned the issue. As a beginner, with H3 you would need to train for 1-2 years before you would have any success with it in a real match scenario, because there is no forgiveness. Unless you do stupid coping technique like brushing the ball without compressing the sponge, which actually stunts your growth.
In any way, your peers that use normal medium rubbers will have long surpassed you and you will quit TT being frustrated about the lack of progress. However, if you are obsessively believing in the supremacy of H3 so much that it becomes your fuel for training just to get that one magical shot once in a blue moon, then go for it, motivation for training is always good.

I have seen all of these cases firsthand over many years (including myself lol).

That depends on how you train/learn. I've seen plenty of players with eurojap rubbers who fail to develop after many years. Based on my experience, the only thing that matters for growth is willingness to train and willingness to learn.

 

[lodro]

Based on my experience, the only thing that matters for growth is willingness to train and willingness to learn.

While not wrong, it applies only to those that actually have both physical and mental pre -requirements.
Ergo: NO, even if one is willing to train and learn, if one has not a body that can do the jobs and a mental capability of a Drongo, then no matter how much input one gives, the results will always be mediocre. If you doubt that such persons exist I can post a selfy

 

[dingyibvs]

While not wrong, it applies only to those that actually have both physical and mental pre -requirements.
Ergo: NO, even if one is willing to train and learn, if one has not a body that can do the jobs and a mental capability of a Drongo, then no matter how much input one gives, the results will always be mediocre. If you doubt that such persons exist I can post a selfy

Sure, our bodies place a limit on us, but just look at the paralympians and see how well they can play with their limitations. These two ladies would probably kick my butt:

On our board @NextLevel has two pretty bad knees but he's always interested in learning and is always looking for ways to get around his limitations.

I'm still relatively young and with few physical limitations, but when I came back to the game after an almost decade long hiatus, many lbs of added weight, and a few significant injuries, I was determined to change my game to something more sustainable. I suffered through over a year of stagnant/decreased level of play to develop a backhand and play a balanced two-wing style, and it's only the past month or so that I'm starting to see it pay off.

We will never reach Ma Long's level, but our ceilings can be a lot higher than you may think.