I want to try short pips, what racket should I build for this?

[Stuart Marquis]

Stuart,
You are truly amazing.
You busted me yet again.
Yes I am totally off base & totally out of line.
Yes you are correct. I agree with you 200%
ITTF knows what is good for the sport
ITTF knows what is in the best interests of the pips players.
ITTF loves diversity in sport & that is the ONLY reason why they have not banned pips
ITTF loves choppers and long rallies to promote spectator interests & eliminate all 3rd ball attacks
ITTF has always passed rules & regulations since 1983 strcitly based on technical merits in the best interests of the sport and not two winged loopers. Absolutely no politics involved .
ITTF has always maintained a level & fair playing field ONLY in the interests of long rallies & promoting the sport & NOT for two winged loopers.
ITTF strictly enforces zero toerance for boosters & speed-glues in the best iinterests of health of players & seconfhand effects on spectators. And you really want to get into chemical inspection vs visual inspection of rackets ? REALLY ?

So yes please everyone, listen to Stuart & listen to ITTF . They know what is best for you.
They care about your health. .
Use only long pips on ITTF LARC. They are the best for you in the 40+ plastic ball era
Or even better, use ONLY short pips on your weakside (backhand)
Yes Stuart. you win again. You looped me down.

I've never posted anything in support of the ITTF and have never made any comment (supporting or otherwise) as to what the real "agenda" of the ITTF and their rules changes might be. I know very little about the politics of table tennis; it simply doesn't interest me all that much. However, the fact remains that the ITTF are the governing body of table tennis, and they are the ones that make the rules and decide what rubbers are authorised and therefore legal to use. If players want to play any sort of competitive/sanctioned table tennis, then they need to be using rubbers that are actually legal to use. If you are advising players to use rubbers that are not on the current list of authorised rubbers, then in my opinion that is very poor advice...and that is still poor advice irrespective of whether those rubbers might actually work better for them.

For players that are not playing any sort of competitive or sanctioned table tennis events, then I suppose there is no problem with them using rubbers that are not authorised (assuming they can still buy them), but players like Mima Ito or Ruwen Filus (or the other names you listed) could never get away with using rubbers that are no longer authorised, and nor could even relatively low-level amateurs that are playing in national ranking tournaments etc.

 

[James Z]

I've never posted anything in support of the ITTF and have never made any comment (supporting or otherwise) as to what the real "agenda" of the ITTF and their rules changes might be. I know very little about the politics of table tennis; it simply doesn't interest me all that much. However, the fact remains that the ITTF are the governing body of table tennis, and they are the ones that make the rules and decide what rubbers are authorised and therefore legal to use. If players want to play any sort of competitive/sanctioned table tennis, then they need to be using rubbers that are actually legal to use. If you are advising players to use rubbers that are not on the current list of authorised rubbers, then in my opinion that is very poor advice...and that is still poor advice irrespective of whether those rubbers might actually work better for them.

Agree 200%. Let ITTF keep making rules & regulations any which way they like but all pips players obey them.......................while two winged loopers enjoy their speed glues & boosters withot worrying about the health of their families or second-hand effects on families , fellow players & spectators. )Just make up some fake rules & regulations about glue / boosters but don't really enforce them at all at lower levels................because the health of a lower level players is not all important) But let two winged loopers make a big noise about the few pips treating cheats when there exists about 500 or 1000 glue cheats for each pips treating cheat. (I know I know what your next reply will be......do you have proof, do youhave exact numbers & names of these cheats etc etc) Don't worry at all about a fair & level playing field Don't worry about longer ralles for spectators to promote the sport.. Yes indeed........ ITTF knows what is best for pips players. ITTF loves diversity in the sport. ITTF loves pips players...especially choppers.

 

[Stuart Marquis]

Agree 200%. Let ITTF keep making rules & regulations any which way they like but all pips players obey them.......................while two winged loopers enjoy their speed glues & boosters withot worrying about the health of their families or second-hand effects on families , fellow players & spectators. )Just make up some fake rules & regulations about glue / boosters but don't really enforce them at all at lower levels................because the health of a lower level players is not all important) But let two winged loopers make a big noise about the few pips treating cheats when there exists about 500 or 1000 glue cheats for each pips treating cheat. (I know I know what your next reply will be......do you have proof, do youhave exact numbers & names of these cheats etc etc) Don't worry at all about a fair & level playing field Don't worry about longer ralles for spectators to promote the sport.. Yes indeed........ ITTF knows what is best for pips players. ITTF loves diversity in the sport. ITTF loves pips players...especially choppers.

None of this has anything to do with what I said. Once again, I'm not commenting on the rights or wrongs of the rules that the ITTF have put in place...I'm simply pointing out that they are the ones that make the rules, and therefore they determine what rubbers are legal and what rubbers are not. You obviously have a strong anti-ITTF agenda and disagree with many of the rules they have implemented, and that's fair enough...but you shouldn't let that hatred of the ITTF and their rules creep into the advice you give to table tennis players. To advise players to use illegal rubbers just because you think they should still be legal is just bad form.

 

[James Z]

None of this has anything to do with what I said. Once again, I'm not commenting on the rights or wrongs of the rules that the ITTF have put in place...I'm simply pointing out that they are the ones that make the rules, and therefore they determine what rubbers are legal and what rubbers are not. You obviously have a strong anti-ITTF agenda and disagree with many of the rules they have implemented, and that's fair enough...but you shouldn't let that hatred of the ITTF and their rules creep into the advice you give to table tennis players. To advise players to use illegal rubbers just because you think they should still be legal is just bad form.

What do you want from me ? I agree with you 200% . Yes, all pips players must obey & worship the ITTF . ITTF knows what is good for pips players
I apologized for being wrong & giving bad adivce to pips players.
You win. . I am wrong.
How many times do you want me to agree with you ?

 

[Stuart Marquis]

What do you want from me ? I agree with you 200% . Yes, all pips players must obey & worship the ITTF . ITTF knows what is good for pips players
I apologized for being wrong & giving bad adivce to pips players.
You win. . I am wrong.
How many times do you want me to agree with you ?

I'm NOT saying pips players should worship the ITTF, and I'm NOT saying the ITTF knows what's good for pips players....so you definitely don't agree with me 200% if that's your position!! What I'm saying is that the sport of table tennis has rules, and it's the ITTF that sets those rules...and by advising players to use rubbers that are no longer authorised, you are quite literally advising players to CHEAT.

I accept your apology and acknowledgement that you are giving bad advice...but I wonder how long it will be before you are repeating this bad advice in a different discussion under yet another username?!?

 

[James Z]

I accept your apology and acknowledgement that you are giving bad advice...

Thanks . I am humbled. After fighting 25 years of what I thought of as ITTF's corruption, you have suddenly opened my eyes in a few weeks & I have found the booster Gods & I have achieved pips nirvana

..but I wonder how long it will be before you are repeating this bad advice in a different discussion under yet another username?!?

I plead a pre-emptive not guilty. The secondhand effects speed-glues & boosters have effected my brain since 1995. I cannot control myself.

 

[Stuart Marquis]

Thanks . I am humbled. After fighting 25 years of what I thought of as ITTF's corruption, you have suddenly opened my eyes in a few weeks & I have found the booster Gods & I have achieved pips nirvana

I plead a pre-emptive not guilty. The secondhand effects speed-glues & boosters have effected my brain since 1995. .I cannot control myself.

I’m sure we’ll all take your brain damage into consideration when reading your future posts. 🤣

 

[Zion]

Playing short pips is awsome if you like to flat hit or smash or push. I've used it on a faster blade for a few years and I really like. But I also like to loop with my BH which aren't that good with short pips.
I've used friendship 80-40 in 1.6mm and the control is awsome and also has enough punch to hit hard flat hits and surprise the opponent.
But don't use a more flexible blade. Choose something stiffer if your gonna use short pips.

 

[mocker88]

Why not try something like a more soft, linear and less grippy rubber for your backhand than Rakza 7? As you say you are at beginner level, I suppose you've played for 1-3 years or so? It takes time to develop a good backhand

Take a look at some light weight rubbers like 729 Focus III Snipe, Palio AK47 Blue or perhaps Pimplepark Epos which is a bit more grippy of course.