Is Dignics 09c good for serve?

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Hello everyone,

I started out playing with MX-P and Tenergy 05 rubbers when I first began, spending a lot of time practicing serves. Over time, I developed serves that gave my opponents a really hard time, sometimes even players 200–300 rating points above me.

As I improved, I switched to Dignics 09c and focused more on my open game and receive skills, which got significantly better. However, I noticed an issue with my serves: they often ended up too high over the net, or my placement was slightly off. While Dignics provides a lot of spin, I realized that spin isn't always the most critical factor in my serves.

Eventually, I decided to switch to a non-tacky rubber on my forehand with a harder sponge, Tenergy 05 Hard. Since then, my serves have started to shine again. Though my open game is slightly less effective compared to when I used Dignics 09c, I feel this setup better suits my level of play.

I understand that pros prioritize counterloops, but at my level, I don’t encounter situations where it’s crucial often enough to make it a priority.

Have any of you experienced similar issues? If so, how did you address them?
 
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Hello everyone,

I started out playing with MX-P and Tenergy 05 rubbers when I first began, spending a lot of time practicing serves. Over time, I developed serves that gave my opponents a really hard time, sometimes even players 200–300 rating points above me.

As I improved, I switched to Dignics 09c and focused more on my open game and receive skills, which got significantly better. However, I noticed an issue with my serves: they often ended up too high over the net, or my placement was slightly off. While Dignics provides a lot of spin, I realized that spin isn't always the most critical factor in my serves.

Eventually, I decided to switch to a non-tacky rubber on my forehand with a harder sponge, Tenergy 05 Hard. Since then, my serves have started to shine again. Though my open game is slightly less effective compared to when I used Dignics 09c, I feel this setup better suits my level of play.

I understand that pros prioritize counterloops, but at my level, I don’t encounter situations where it’s crucial often enough to make it a priority.

Have any of you experienced similar issues? If so, how did you address them?
Tackiness is not for everyone. Every equipment comes with benefits and negatives. You have to make choices based on the tradeoffs.
 
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Of course it’s good for serving. If it weren’t then nobody would buy it for this much. You may need to refine your serving skills if you plan on using it
So, you don’t think the general population can be influenced by marketing? In my experience, I feel like professional or advanced players might perform well with Dignics 09c and have the time to practice a lot. But have you ever gone back to a Tenergy rubber and thought, “Wow, this is so much easier!” :)
 
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So, you don’t think the general population can be influenced by marketing? In my experience, I feel like professional or advanced players might perform well with Dignics 09c and have the time to practice a lot. But have you ever gone back to a Tenergy rubber and thought, “Wow, this is so much easier!” :)
I saw a pro player who went from Dignics 09c to Tenergy 05 hard and was much happier and got some of his game back. I also know many players who find Dignics too slow. Players who can cope with Tenergy's early activation in the passive game tend to prefer it because of its increased speed with respect to that activation. Dignics is more of a ball holding rubber, even the non-09c variants. Players who want to compete with the Chinese ability to counter close to the table vs very heavy spin tend to need something like it.

So you are not alone if you are asking. Tack and significant ball holding are not for everyone. Even amongst Dignics, Harimoto still doesn't like 09c on forehand despite his sister having changed. But I have seen many players prefer the blocking and pushing of Dignics because of its control.

Tenergy 19 is popular with people who want to live somewhere in the middle.
 
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I saw a pro player who went from Dignics 09c to Tenergy 05 hard and was much happier and got some of his game back. I also know many players who find Dignics too slow. Players who can cope with Tenergy's early activation in the passive game tend to prefer it because of its increased speed with respect to that activation. Dignics is more of a ball holding rubber, even the non-09c variants. Players who want to compete with the Chinese ability to counter close to the table vs very heavy spin tend to need something like it.

So you are not alone if you are asking. Tack and significant ball holding are not for everyone. Even amongst Dignics, Harimoto still doesn't like 09c on forehand despite his sister having changed. But I have seen many players prefer the blocking and pushing of Dignics because of its control.

Tenergy 19 is popular with people who want to live somewhere in the middle.
When did she change to d09c on the forehand? I haven’t found anything about that
 
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I saw a pro player who went from Dignics 09c to Tenergy 05 hard and was much happier and got some of his game back. I also know many players who find Dignics too slow. Players who can cope with Tenergy's early activation in the passive game tend to prefer it because of its increased speed with respect to that activation. Dignics is more of a ball holding rubber, even the non-09c variants. Players who want to compete with the Chinese ability to counter close to the table vs very heavy spin tend to need something like it.

So you are not alone if you are asking. Tack and significant ball holding are not for everyone. Even amongst Dignics, Harimoto still doesn't like 09c on forehand despite his sister having changed. But I have seen many players prefer the blocking and pushing of Dignics because of its control.

Tenergy 19 is popular with people who want to live somewhere in the middle.
So interesting to read that as I just tonight played my first session with Dignics09c FH and Tenergy19 BH 😂
The two rubbers were gifts for Christmas and Birthday in December as I'd always sworn id never spend the money on Butterfly rubbers! (I already dread the day they need replacing 😬).
Anyway, I have to say I was extremely impressed with both. They are similar but just better than the Rakza Z and 7 they replaced.
I won't attempt any further analysis until I've played a few months with them but first impressions were great.
Regarding the OPs question (@Steinmejer), I found the 09c very good for service but that is very likely because the Rakza Z is a similar type of rubber and my service is already 'tacky hybrid' adjusted.
I do remember struggling with the Rakza Z at first though because of how different the catch and release is compared to normal ESN grippy rubbers and it took a few months before I could serve without thinking about it so I would say if you like it for open play then stick with it.
 
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When did she change to d09c on the forehand? I haven’t found anything about that
She went from D05 to D09c. She used to use the same setup ad her brother but I think when she went to SALC, she went to D09c. Harimoto still seems to be with D05 though he might be using Zeed for all we know lol. You never know the timing because people can be testing things before that in various combinations. You only find out when they post it on Butterfly or do a video review.
 
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She went from D05 to D09c. She used to use the same setup ad her brother but I think when she went to SALC, she went to D09c. Harimoto still seems to be with D05 though he might be using Zeed for all we know lol. You never know the timing because people can be testing things before that in various combinations. You only find out when they post it on Butterfly or do a video review.
you think or did you see it somewhere? Because I cant find anything about it. She could’ve changed after WTT Finals during the break but I see no trace of that.
 
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you think or did you see it somewhere? Because I cant find anything about it. She could’ve changed after WTT Finals during the break but I see no trace of that.
If you really care, you might try the wayback machine and scan for when the Butterfly website changed. It's really not the kind of thing I spend a lot of time on though.

If you are arguing the website is wrong and she is really using D05, well, that's a different story - I just pretend the website is right though it could be wrong for sure.
 
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there is nothing wrong with D09C and serving
you probably haven't spent enough time adapting to it. Because height or placement is a control issue, it isn't a rubber issue.
but if T05H works better for you, you have found your solution.

It could always be one of those - different rubbers for different folks.
 
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If you really care, you might try the wayback machine and scan for when the Butterfly website changed. It's really not the kind of thing I spend a lot of time on though.

If you are arguing the website is wrong and she is really using D05, well, that's a different story - I just pretend the website is right though it could be wrong for sure.
so I guess to answer Robin0910, your reply is, "you think"?

how much "wayback" are you talking about though?
 
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so I guess to answer Robin0910, your reply is, "you think"?

how much "wayback" are you talking about though?
You could always look back a few months. I am not trying to nail down if she changed, I do remember a time when I used to check the website and it would show the Harimotos with identical setups and now she is using D09c but he is not. And they are both using Super ALC (if only for marketing purposes but I can see it being true).
 
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You could always look back a few months. I am not trying to nail down if she changed, I do remember a time when I used to check the website and it would show the Harimotos with identical setups and now she is using D09c but he is not. And they are both using Super ALC (if only for marketing purposes but I can see it being true).
I also know few times where different Butterfly websites (during that same moment) had different specs of players.
I think it was also stated on ttd few times before

what countries Butterfly website do you use?
I normally only trust the Japanese one
 
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I also know few times where different Butterfly websites (during that same moment) had different specs of players.
I think it was also stated on ttd few times before

what countries Butterfly website do you use?
I normally only trust the Japanese one
I used the US site. The Japanese one does have different information and says her and Tomo are still identical. Interesting.
 
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I used the US site. The Japanese one does have different information and says her and Tomo are still identical. Interesting.
there we go

I do believe there was one incident someone points out that 3 Butterfly websites had different info.
I personally haven't seen it before, only seen 2 differences.

so don't believe what you see, especially when comes to Butterfly website.
and that is probably why Robin had to ask if you think, or you know. However you did come across to me as you know :p
 
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there we go

I do believe there was one incident someone points out that 3 Butterfly websites had different info.
I personally haven't seen it before, only seen 2 differences.

so don't believe what you see, especially when comes to Butterfly website.
and that is probably why Robin had to ask if you think, or you know. However you did come across to me as you know :p
Oh, I know the limits of what I know but I do not doubt what I know. After all, she would he using something else. But if the website says 05, and has the date, we go by that. Unless someone has ittf racket testing that is different. Or is her best friend in high school.
 
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