Ito: I'm not sure I will play for another 4 years

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So where did she attribute any specific losses to not resting? Strawman? You speak English but its nuances may confuse you. And if she took a break during that period, was that break long enough? Or she didn't take a break? You are the one attributing things that were never said.
You are the one who keeps making up your so-called "excuses" and shoving them in my face. That's a straw man fallacy. Please go over what you've written.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ll-play-for-another-4-years.35128/post-517458
As I suggested during Asian Cup 2025, Hirano is currently taking a real break in Hawaii to refresh herself, contrary to what NextLevel dismissed as excuses.
 
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And the first time you humored driversbeat's request to provide a verifiable link, it's one to a pro-China propaganda. 自取其辱貽笑大方
you catching up to last week's question only
this weeks question is

how many teams entered in the 2 mixed team world cups, and how many send reserves?
and didn't Japan want to send reserves? and what happened?
also, who is whose practice partner in JNT, since you said they are like CNT
 
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Kishikawa and Nakazawa headed for Macau on the 12th.

Nakazawa will use the World Cup to check the condition of each player, identify issues and gather information on overseas rivals so that the players can do well at the WTTC.

Kishikawa feels a little sad that the MT is gone as he thinks the players wanted to win a medal as a team once more. Assuming the same quota, Kishikawa thinks it's rather difficult to include 2 players who are ONLY good at doubles and he wants to raise the WR of the MT, other than Harimoto, and strengthen the doubles among those players and the same goes for WT.

Nakazawa wants to set up a training camp to have the men and women train together and will work out a training plan for the future with Kishikawa during the World Cup.

卓球男女日本代表、合同合宿を検討 ロス五輪で初実施の混合団体へ「力を合わせてメダルを」
https://hochi.news/articles/20250412-OHT1T51258.html?page=1
 卓球男子日本代表の岸川聖也監督、女子の中沢鋭監督が12日、シングルスのW杯(14~20日、中国・マカオ)に向けて成田空港から出国した。

 ともに4月1日付けで監督に就任し、新体制がスタートしたばかり。今大会は5月の世界選手権個人戦(ドーハ)を見据え、中沢監督は「各選手のコンディションをチェックして課題を抽出し、海外のライバル選手の情報も収集して、次の世界選手権で選手たちを活躍させたい」。岸川監督は「W杯は大きな大会。ここでいい結果を出して、いい流れでカタールに行けたら」と位置付けた。

 今月9日(日本時間10日)には、国際オリンピック委員会(IOC)が28年ロサンゼルス五輪の実施種目を決めた。卓球は男女の団体がなくなり、新たに混合団体が採用。男女のダブルスの6大会ぶりの復活も決まった。混合団体は23年からW杯が始まった流れもあり、岸川監督は「(実施種目に)なりそうな感じは少ししていた」と冷静に受け止めた。一方で男子団体は昨夏のパリ五輪は4位で惜しくもメダルを逃した。「男子チームは『団体でメダルをもう1回』という目標を僕自身もそうですし、選手も持っていたと思う。そこが次回はないということで、少し寂しい気持ちはある」とも明かした。

 男女混合となることで勢力図も変化しそうだ。男子はパリ五輪でメダルを獲得したフランス、スウェーデンなど欧州勢のレベルが高いが、男女ともに有力選手がそろうのは中国、日本、韓国、台湾など限られる。岸川監督は「日本にとってもメダルの可能性は高いと思う」と位置付けた。一方で中沢監督は4大会連続でメダルを獲得している女子の目線から「男子はフランスやドイツだったり、欧州が強い。これからライバルが多くなる」と表情を引き締めた。

 男女のダブルスも追加されるなど実施種目は大きく変わったが、岸川監督はシングルスの強化を男子の最優先課題に挙げた。「代表の選手数(従来は1か国・地域で最大3人)は変わらないと思うので、その中でダブルスだけ得意な2人を入れるというのもなかなか難しい。特に男子は(3位の張本)智和以外の世界ランキングをもっと上げていきたい。そういう選手たちの中でダブルスも強化していくのが一番いいと思う」と語った。

 女子も同様だが、中沢監督は混合団体を見据えて、男女合同での強化の場を設けたい考えも明かした。「なるべく同じ時期に合宿をして、一緒にしっかり強化していきたい。男子と力を合わせてメダルを取れるように頑張りたい」。今大会中にも岸川監督と話し合い、今後の強化計画を練っていく。
 
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When approached for comments on the new Olympic events, Ito said she still hasn't decided whether to aim for LA28, that she is still focused on her goal of getting a WTTC WS medal, but hints at wanting to play WD in the Olympics.

伊藤美誠、ロス五輪の種目変更「すごく面白そう」 卓球は混合団体と男女ダブルスが追加
https://hochi.news/articles/20250411-OHT1T51287.html?page=1
 卓球女子で2021年東京五輪3種目に出場して金、銀、銅メダルを獲得した伊藤美誠(24)=スターツ=が11日、スポーツ報知の取材に応じ、28年ロサンゼルス五輪における実施種目の変更を「面白みが増した」と歓迎した。国際オリンピック委員会(IOC)は9日(日本時間10日)に同五輪実施種目を決定。卓球は男女の団体がなくなり、混合団体が採用。男女のダブルスの復活も決まり、卓球界初の4種目での五輪出場の可能性も出てきた。

 伊藤は五輪卓球競技の大きな変革に、驚きと関心を示した。IOCの決定から一夜明け「種目が増えたり、チェンジするとは思ってなかった。正直びっくり」。率直な感想を口にしつつ、「すごく面白そう。『どんな種目なんだろう?』とか、卓球を気にしてくれる人も増えると思う。新しいことをするのは、すごくいいことじゃないかなって」と前向きに捉えた。

 ロス五輪では男女団体が外れ、混合団体と男女のダブルス(複)が追加された。男女のシングルス、混合複と合わせて従来から1増の計6種目を実施。出場枠は男女各3人を維持するかなど不透明な点も多いが、1人の選手が最大4種目に出場となる可能性も考えられる。21年東京五輪では混合複金、女子団体銀、女子シングルス銅と3種目で表彰台に立った。13日間で13試合を戦った経験から「相当ハードだったので期間はどうなるのかとか、気になることは結構ある」とも指摘した。

 自身はロス五輪を目指すかどうかは決めていない。「本当に先のことは全く考えてない」。今は5月の世界選手権個人戦(ドーハ)でのシングルスのメダル獲得という目標に集中する姿勢は変わらないが「でも、種目が増えたことで、面白みは増したなって正直に思う」との興味も明かした。

 女子複は早田ひなとのペアで世界選手権のメダルを3度獲得している。“みまひな”再結成への期待に対しても「大きな大会に出たいという部分もちょっとある」と含みを持たせた。今回の種目変更は、伊藤が今後進む道を定める上で、転機の一つとなる可能性もありそうだ。(林 直史)
 
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Before heading for World Cup, the Harimoto siblings commented on their wish to win medals together in the new Olympic XT event.

And then there are the usual cry-babies over the Olympic XT event.

張本兄妹、ロス五輪で日本卓球界初の快挙狙う! パリでは兄がメダル届かず「次こそかなえたい」
https://hochi.news/articles/20250412-OHT1T51325.html?page=1
 卓球男子世界ランク3位の張本智和(21)=トヨタ自動車=、女子で5位の妹・美和(16)=木下グループ=が12日、シングルスのW杯(14~20日、中国・マカオ)に向けて成田空港から出国前に取材に応じた。28年ロサンゼルス五輪の実施種目に混合団体の採用が決まったことを受け、日本卓球界初のきょうだい同時メダルへ意欲を示した。

 昨夏のパリ五輪は初めてきょうだいで出場。美和が女子団体で銀メダルを獲得したが、兄・智和は3種目で表彰台に届かなかった。ロス五輪では男女の団体がなくなり、混合となることで一緒にチームを組み、メダルに挑戦することが可能となる。美和は「お兄ちゃんがベンチにいるだけで心強い。一緒に頑張れるのはすごくいいことだと思う」と歓迎。智和は「パリでは一緒にメダルを取れなかったので、次こそはかなえたい」と決意を込めた。(林 直史)

【卓球】ロス五輪新種目の「混合団体」。日本は有利だが、卓球人からは怒りの声も多数出ている
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/b7798b36f12e08c7a34275c4b0e4dd4719f1736a
 
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you catching up to last week's question only
this weeks question is

how many teams entered in the 2 mixed team world cups, and how many send reserves?
and didn't Japan want to send reserves? and what happened?
also, who is whose practice partner in JNT, since you said they are like CNT
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Before heading for World Cup, the Harimoto siblings commented on their wish to win medals together in the new Olympic XT event.

And then there are the usual cry-babies over the Olympic XT event.

張本兄妹、ロス五輪で日本卓球界初の快挙狙う! パリでは兄がメダル届かず「次こそかなえたい」
https://hochi.news/articles/20250412-OHT1T51325.html?page=1


【卓球】ロス五輪新種目の「混合団体」。日本は有利だが、卓球人からは怒りの声も多数出ている
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/b7798b36f12e08c7a34275c4b0e4dd4719f1736a
But but but.. how many teams attended the first 2 XD events bro!!!..., gotta sperg out about that on every thread on this forum.

A "well adjusted" person would see the benefit of China hosting that event in hindsight, even though the timing and point allocation system could have been better/ well thought out. But we've got a bitter "agent" dishing out bile as usual.
 
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But but but.. how many teams attended the first 2 XD events bro!!!..., gotta sperg out about that on every thread on this forum.

A "well adjusted" person would see the benefit of China hosting that event in hindsight, even though the timing and point allocation system could have been better/ well thought out. But we've got a bitter "agent" dishing out bile as usual.
And all the while completely ignoring the total lack of interest in MD/WD over the past few years...

I can sort of relate to it. There is just no way those Chinese peasants could have the foresight when they can't even afford tea eggs/茶葉蛋事件.
 
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easy question, why are you dodging the question?

how many teams entered in the 2 mixed team world cups, and how many send reserves?
and didn't Japan want to send reserves? and what happened?

since you don't agree JNT is independent system, so who are the practice partner groups in JNT?

or are you embarrass to give the answer because it doesn't suite your narrative and direction? if this is the case, you should say so, because you keep dodging and hiding

Even Swedish federation push for XDWC, but the Swedish players was not interested in the first 2 edition.
So if the events then was so "useful", why why why so many players decline to take part??
 
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Harimoto siblings will fight together for a medal in Mixed Teams, but I wonder if Japan will consider them for a Mixed Doubles pair as well. I think most TT fans want to see that, and it would create a lot of interest in Japan.
4 events (per gender) to push is going to be tough.
If it is indeed max 3 players, to play the 4 events, then fatigue will need to be taken into account.
likely the singles player and doubles players will be separated
one of them to play XD
and all 3 of them together with the other gender to player XT

the question is, how many singles player, if it is 2, then that players loading will also be the highest of the 3 (having to play min 3 events).

so right now, it is all cool about who should pair with who, but in 2 years time, the question would be, medal contender events (and priority of medal value) will be the goal.
 
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When approached for comments on the new Olympic events, Ito said she still hasn't decided whether to aim for LA28, that she is still focused on her goal of getting a WTTC WS medal, but hints at wanting to play WD in the Olympics.

伊藤美誠、ロス五輪の種目変更「すごく面白そう」 卓球は混合団体と男女ダブルスが追加
https://hochi.news/articles/20250411-OHT1T51287.html?page=1
And then there are the usual cry-babies over the Olympic XT event.

【卓球】ロス五輪新種目の「混合団体」。日本は有利だが、卓球人からは怒りの声も多数出ている
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/b7798b36f12e08c7a34275c4b0e4dd4719f1736a
Some of the Yahoo Japan users are so strict with Hirano and yet lenient with Hayata over their win rates against top CNT players, but clearly they have had enough of Ito.

伊藤美誠、ロス五輪の種目変更「すごく面白そう」 卓球は混合団体と男女ダブルスが追加
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/e3cb37b349cc6d85f19d24c3897e13c44dc92aa9/comments
cho********
2日前
まずはそれまでに中国のトップ5相手になんとか少しでも勝率を上げてほしいね。その前に日本代表をどのように決定するのか決まってないけど、頑張ってほしい。あと、やっぱりコーチは必要だと思うよ。
(First of all, I want them to somehow improve their win rate against the top 5 Chinese players by then. Before that, it has not been decided how to decide the Japanese representatives, but I want them to do their best. Also, I think coaches are a must after all)
29 concur, 6 ic, 15 hmm
kei
2日前
中国トップに勝率上げるってか、この4年以上まるで勝ててないからね。これはもう何か根本的な問題があるんだろうと思います。
(I mean, we can't win against China's top team for over 4 years, so I think there must be some fundamental problems.)
10 concur, 0 ic, 27 hmm

vga********
2日前
早熟の天才伊藤さんの時代は、残念ながら終わっています。彼女のピークは、混合ダブルスで金を取る1年前ですね。金は水谷さんの影響度合いが大きかったと考察します。
いずれにしても、オリンピックチャンピオンですので、これからの目標もこの目標設定でやらなければなりませんが、ピークは過ぎていますので、本人にも卓球協会も更に若手育成にもマイナス面しか生まれて来ないと、粗断定できますのでトップクラスで試合する事を辞めて頂いて、一度休み、視野を広げてから若手指導に展開して欲しいと考察します。
選手として辞め時の価値観は色々ありますが、伊藤さんにはオリンピックチャンピオンとして、潔く良く引いて欲しいと願います。
(Unfortunately, Ito's era as a precocious prodigy is over. She peaked a year before she won gold in mixed doubles. I believe Mizutani's influence was a major factor in her gold medal.
In any case, she is an Olympic champion and will have to set these goals from now on, but she is past her peak and we can roughly conclude that this will only have negative effects on her, the Table Tennis Association, and the development of younger players. Therefore, I believe she should retire from top-class competition, take a break, broaden her horizons, and then develop into coaching younger players.
There are various values when retiring as a player, but as an Olympic champion, I hope that Ito will quit gracefully
)
35 concur, 4 ic, 133 hmm

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2日前
伊藤・平野選手は中国から研究しつくされているので中国を撃破するのは難しいと思います。お二人が新しいプレースタイに進化すれば対抗できるかもしれませんが、特に伊藤選手はプレースタイルが全く変わらないので中国との差は開いていると思います。若くて才能のある選手がたくさんいるのに、いつまでも平野・伊藤選手に頼っていては若くて才能がある選手が伸びず、数年後、中国との差は広がってしまうと思います。
(I think it will be difficult to beat China because Ito and Hirano have been thoroughly studied by China. If the two of them evolve into new playing styles, they may be able to compete, but Ito's playing style in particular has not changed at all, so I think the gap between them and China will widen. There are many young and talented players, but if we continue to rely on Hirano and Ito, the young and talented players will not develop, and in a few years, the gap between us and China will widen.)
14 concur, 3 ic, 64 hmm

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2日前
伊藤は、前回のオリンピックの団体戦について、協会が発表する前に、3人目の推薦枠を拒否している。
理由は、シングルに出場出来ないため、補欠要員となり、シングル二人のサポートは嫌だからと。
プライドとわがままが、邪魔したのでしょう。
シングル二人は、張本、早田、大藤から選ばれるでしょう。
伊藤に聞くだけ無駄なのに。
マスコミの嫌みか。
(Before the association announced the lineup for the team event at the previous Olympics, Ito refused to be recommended for the 3rd spot.
The reason was that she would be unable to compete in the singles and would have to be a reserve, and she didn't want to support the two singles players.
Pride and selfishness probably got in the way.
The two singles players would be chosen from Harimoto, Hayata and Odo.
There's no point in asking Ito.
Is it just the media trying to be mean?
)
24 concur, 3 ic, 89 hmm

kei
2日前
ロスは張本、大藤にニュー早田もしくは新たな息吹でしょ、いつまでも伊藤や平野が出場しているようじゃ打倒中国どころかメダルも危うい
(Los Angeles will be Harimoto, Odo and the new Hayata or a breath of fresh air. If Ito and Hirano continue to compete, not only will they be unable to beat China, but they will also be in danger of not even getting a medal)
29 concur, 3 ic, 94 hmm

okx********
1日前
たまには中国にかてよ何年も勝てないのにトップ10もないとおもうが。
(Beat China for a change. She hasn't been able to beat them for years and I don't think she is even in the top 10.)
4 concur, 0 ic, 0 hmm

wat********
2日前
このまま日本女子ナンバー2を保てれば出場出来そうですね。
(If she can maintain her number 2 ranking as the Japanese female member, she will likely be able to participate.)
2 concur, 1 ic, 19 hmm
the********
1日前
>このまま日本女子ナンバー2を保てれば出場出来そうですね。

今の伊藤選手はナンバー2ではなくナンバー4ではないかと思いますが。
(I think Ito is now number 4 rather than number 2.)
13 concur, 1 ic, 2 hmm

mik********
2日前
ダブルスには出ないと言ってたんじゃなかった?
ようやく自分が一番手でチヤホヤされなくなってるのに気づいたか。
(Didn't she say she wasn't going to play doubles?
Has she finally realised that she's no longer the No. 1 player and is no longer being pampered?
)
28 concur, 0 ic, 66 hmm

wgo********
2日前
ロス五輪では、女子卓球唯一の金メダリストとして、コメンテーターのお仕事ができるかも知れません。
(As the only gold medalist in women's table tennis at the Los Angeles Olympics, she may be able to work as a commentator.)
14 concur, 2 ic, 34 hmm

yos*****
2日前
オリンピックは、あの卓球では出られないでしょう。
(I'm afraid she won't be able to play the Olympics with that level of table tennis.)
14 concur, 0 ic, 14 hmm

min********
2日前
次はシングルスで選ばれなくても出たいのかな?
(Do you want to play next time even if you're not selected in singles?)
10 concur, 1 ic, 20 hmm

【卓球】ロス五輪新種目の「混合団体」。日本は有利だが、卓球人からは怒りの声も多数出ている
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/b7798b36f12e08c7a34275c4b0e4dd4719f1736a/comments
t_r********
1日前
卓球競技の普及ということを考えた時に必ずしもマイナスとは限らない。
男女それぞれの団体戦が見たいという点には完全同意だが、男子偏重の国が多いことがこの混合団体の導入で変わる可能性、女子の強化へ踏み切る可能性があるということは卓球競技にとってはプラス。
なお、日本有利という論調は意味不明。なぜなら、団体のメダルが確実であろう女子団体が消えるのだから、女子ダブルスでもメダルが期待できるとしても一発勝負の個人トーナメントよりも3点先取の団体戦の方が確実性があり、そして混合団体も確実とは言えないのだから決して有利にはなっていない。
男子もメダル圏内ではあるが、同時にメダル決定レベルの戦いになると組み合わせやその時の調子によって全敗してもおかしくはない。つまり、男子ばかり強い国と当たった時に男子全敗で敗北する可能性もあり混合団体は女子団体ほど確実なメダルとは言えない。
(It's not necessarily a negative thing when you think about the spread of table tennis.
I completely agree that we want to see team events for both men and women, but the fact that there are many countries that are biased towards men may change with the introduction of this mixed team, and there is a possibility that they may take steps to strengthen the women's team, which is a positive for table tennis.
The notion that Japan has an advantage is incomprehensible. Because the women's team, which would be sure to win a medal, will disappear, even if there is hope for a medal in women's doubles, a first-to-3-point team event is more certain than a one-shot individual event, and the mixed team is not sure either, so it is by no means an advantage.
The men's team is also in the medal zone, but at the same time, if it's a battle at the medal deciding level, it's not strange that they will lose all their matches depending on the pairing and their condition at the time. In other words, if they face a country with only strong men's teams, there is a possibility that the men will lose all their matches, and the mixed team is not as sure of a medal as the women's team.
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Miu Hirano must be pinning her hopes on doing well at the World Championships in May because she did not sign up for either Contender Taiyuan (next week) or Contender Tunis (near end of Apr). She will most likely fall below Kihara and probably Hashimoto (and outside chance of Nagasaki) because she has big points expiring on Apr 22 ... 265 pts with 90 in reserve for net loss of 175 pts which drops her to 1355 (Kihara 1300, Hashimoto 1250, Nagasaki 1195). She has to be careful not to fall below top 6 Japanese to play Grand Smash events where there's big prize money and ranking points. She should be well rested for the WTTC though so we'll see how she does.

Hashimoto is officially the 5th highest ranked Japanese player at WR13 and Hirano 6th at WR15.

Miyuu Kihara WR19
Miyu Nagasaki WR22
Sakura Yokoi WR34
Hitomi Sato WR45

Fortunately or unfortunately, Nagasaki and Kihara have a chance to catch up at Contender Tunis, where Hashimoto is notably absent. Hashimoto also has Bernadette, Polcanova, and Diaz behind her, all of whom will get massive boosts at World Cup and WTTC. Will be difficult for Hashimoto to maintain this ranking and go even further unless she finds a way to participate and go deep in tournaments consistently.

Side note, ZYL is back in top 20 at WR18.
 
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Hashimoto is officially the 5th highest ranked Japanese player at WR13 and Hirano 6th at WR15.

KMiyuu Mihara WR19
Miyu Nagasaki WR22
Sakura Yokoi WR34
Hitomi Sato WR45

Fortunately or unfortunately, Nagasaki and Kihara have a chance to catch up at Contender Tunis, where Hashimoto is notably absent. Hashimoto also has Bernadette, Polcanova, and Diaz behind her, all of whom will get massive boosts at World Cup and WTTC. Will be difficult for Hashimoto to maintain this ranking and go even further unless she finds a way to participate and go deep in tournaments consistently.

Side note, ZYL is back in top 20 at WR18.
Hirano has expiring points on Tuesday of next week so her gap with Hashimoto will increase by 175 pts (-265 + 90). I suspect with all of the buzz generated by Hashimoto that she will get invites to Contender/Star Contender events. Yokoi and Sato also have chances to increase their WR at Tunis as well.
 
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Hirano has expiring points on Tuesday of next week so her gap with Hashimoto will increase by 175 pts (-265 + 90). I suspect with all of the buzz generated by Hashimoto that she will get invites to Contender/Star Contender events. Yokoi and Sato also have chances to increase their WR at Tunis as well.
With the way things are looking from the outset, Hirano may get in big trouble this cycle. And we were worried about Ito.
 
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Hashimoto is officially the 5th highest ranked Japanese player at WR13 and Hirano 6th at WR15.
Hashimoto is the most successful ROI for WTT participation ever!!

which other player can say, I will play 8 and get into 13th in the world
 
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Hashimoto is the most successful ROI for WTT participation ever!!

which other player can say, I will play 8 and get into 13th in the world
I don't remember how many events it took her, but Odo's rise to WR#8 was pretty meteoric as well. I am very happy for the both of them.
 
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With the way things are looking from the outset, Hirano may get in big trouble this cycle. And we were worried about Ito.
She is rejuvenating with a break, she'll be fine. Hayata has a broken hand, Miwa is sixteen and the golden child, Ito is cannon fodder for the CNT, Hashimoto chops, and Odo hides her serves and will be unmasked by TTR. That leaves Hirano to save the day. Tieba users have spoken.
 
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