Ito: I'm not sure I will play for another 4 years

[zeio]

曾经的天才少女 (Once the girl prodigy)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9724325241
凌晨阿飞 出道即巅峰，世界杯冠军，亚锦赛冠军，世锦赛季军，团体赛最强三单，今天，止步多哈64强，让人唏嘘，5:10的时候，平野美宇再也按不住自己的情绪，泪洒现场，让人心疼！
IP属地:安徽来自iPhone客户端1楼2025-05-19 19:20回复
(Reached the peak of her career as soon as she debuted, World Cup title, ATTC title, and WTTC bronze, and the strongest 3rd singles player in the team event. Today, she was eliminated in the top 64 in Doha, which is really sad. At 5:10, Hirano Miu could no longer control her emotions and burst into tears on the scene, which was really heartbreaking!)

我是清白的 也圆满了吧 世界杯金 世锦赛铜 亚锦赛金 女子外协含金量前三了
IP属地:河北来自iPhone客户端4楼2025-05-19 19:42收起回复
(Her career is complete, right? World Cup gold, WTTC bronze, ATTC gold, 1 of the top 3 women of foreign associations in terms of gold content)
中国小排骨: 还有奥运两银
2025-5-19 21:19回复
(And two Olympic silver medals)
银沙鸡翅根: 外协单打荣誉第一，唯一外协单打世界冠军。
2025-5-19 23:11回复
(First in singles honors among foreign associations and the only World Title holder in singles among foreign associations.)
烟雨轻风: 回复 银沙鸡翅根 :玄静和第一
2025-5-20 09:09回复
(Hyun Junghwa no 1)
银沙鸡翅根: 回复 烟雨轻风 :肯定说的是现役啊
2025-5-20 10:28回复
(Among active players, of course)
飞思卡尔dd: 第一个的00后单打世界冠军
2025-5-20 11:07回复
(The first born-after-2000 World Title holder in singles)

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

After she’s number one as she promised she can retire

 

[zeio]

Togami is well aware of what people have been saying about him.

【世界卓球】戸上隼輔がメダル王手　フルゲームの激闘制す　３回戦で破った張本智和の思い背負い準々決勝へ
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9732718313

　３回戦では張本智和（トヨタ自動車）との日本人対決を、ゲームカウント４―１で制した。この試合後に戸上は「自分が日本を背負って戦いたいなと思いますし、張本選手だったら勝てたと言われないように、自分がメダルを取って日本に持ち帰りたいと思います」と気合を入れていたが、フルゲームの激闘の末に見事に勝利。メダルマッチへと駒を進めた。

In the 3rd round, he defeated Harimoto Tomokazu (Toyota Motor Corporation), a Japanese opponent, with a game score of 4-1. After the match, Togami said, "I want to fight with the hopes of representing Japan, and I want to win a medal and bring it back to Japan so that people won't say that if it had been Harimoto, he would have won." After a full game of fierce fighting, he won brilliantly and advanced to the medal match.

【涙のインタビュー】死闘を制した戸上隼輔 メダル決定戦へ 「（張本に勝っての4回戦は）本当に重圧だった… すごく苦しかった…」｜世界卓球2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn07DscdpZo

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“不想让别人说‘如果是张本来就能赢’” ("So that people won't say that if it had been Harimoto, he would have won.")
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9732718313
破相先生 张本对沪上那场全程看完了的。有种和平时不一样的感觉。沪上平时得一分是会大声喊的，就这一场不怎么喊，到了后半程就哑了，每得一分甚至感觉他有满脸的愧疚，奈何是比赛就是这么残酷。
通过这场比赛，可能要重新认识沪上了，他一边希望自己有突破，一边又希望日本队有成绩，他也知道自己外战不如张本，可惜又死克，我相信沪上这两天一直很矛盾。
这想法虽然对竞技体育不利，但至少说明沪上三观确实可贵，要是他们没有早早相遇多好。
个人臆想，勿喷，较真就你赢。
IP属地:福建来自iPhone客户端23楼2025-05-23 07:05收起回复
(I watched the whole match between Harimoto and Togami. It felt different from usual. Togami usually shouts loudly when he gets a point, but he didn't shout much in this match. He was silent in the second half. He even looked guilty every time he got a point, but competition is so cruel.
Through this match, we may have to re-recognize Togami. He hopes for a breakthrough while also hoping for the Japanese team to achieve results. He also knows that he is not as good as Harimoto in foreign wars, but unfortunately he hard-counters Harimoto. I believe Togami has been very contradictory these two days.
Although this thought is not good for competitive sports, it at least shows that Togami's moral values are indeed valuable. It would be great if they didn't meet so soon.
Personal conjecture, don't flame, you win if you are serious.)

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...nis-championships-2025-doha.36703/post-524779

MS R16
T2 Togami (27) 4-3 Jorgic (11) (-9, 9, -9, 4, -1, 10, 10)
G3 97, 911
G7 22, 23 Togami served off the net, 25, 45, 46 interesting blocking play from Togami but failed, 56, 58, 68, 69, 89 TO for Jorgic, 99, 910 Jorgic served off the table, 1210

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...nis-championships-2025-doha.36703/post-524757

Togami was up by quite a margin in G4 at Singapore Smash 2022. It's gonna be a breakthrough no matter what.

0W1L Jorgic
0W3L JWJ
1W4L Moregard

 

[zeio]

Hirano finally points out the past 6 months have really worn her out and it's become a mental hurdle, feeling she's pushed herself too hard and her heart reaching the limit. From now on, she will prioritize (follow) her heart.

【インタビュー】平野美宇「心が限界だったのかな… 世界卓球が区切りだと思っていた。後悔はない。これからは自分の心を優先 」｜世界卓球2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsAiVkX_ong

 

[NextLevel]

Hirano finally points out the past 6 months have really worn her out and it's become a mental hurdle, feeling she's pushed herself too hard and her heart reaching the limit. From now on, she will prioritize (follow) her heart.

【インタビュー】平野美宇「心が限界だったのかな… 世界卓球が区切りだと思っていた。後悔はない。これからは自分の心を優先 」｜世界卓球2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsAiVkX_ong

Good for her to find her inner Mima Ito.

 

[NextLevel]

With Ito now winning a WTTC medal, I think she puts herself ahead in the conversation for the greatest Japanese player of this era. Maybe having early success isn't as damaging as it is made out to be, especially when you have Wang Yidi....

 

[zeio]

浪费机会的人是会受到惩罚的 (Those who waste opportunities will get punished)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9735600938
左清竹 首先庆祝莫神赢了
其次n逆天沪上打球不带脑子，三四局全发长或者稳一点两个占一个就能4:0带走小莫了。结果呢还在发短，最后还叫了个医疗暂停
141的话还在发力“浪费机会的人是会受到惩罚的”
IP属地:湖南来自iPhone客户端1楼2025-05-24 00:25回复
(First of all, congratulations to God Mo for winning
Secondly, n-th extraordinary Togami played with no brain. If he had served all long in G3 and G4 or 1 in 2 to be on the safe side, he could have defeated Little Mo 4-0. But he still served short and called a medical timeout in the end
LGL's motto still hits hard, "Those who waste opportunities will get punished")

诚实的小绵羊 沪上还是老毛病了，打球不知道调节，兴奋上头一味发蛮力，球商差莫雷高德不知道几个档次。所以莫雷拿下第一局的时候我就知道沪上必败。相持在状态的时候还发短球跟莫雷玩台内呢，你台内控短强攻或者劈长反拉技术赢得过莫雷，笑话
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端4楼2025-05-24 15:16回复
Same old problem for Togami. Didn't know how to adjust when playing, and just used brute force when excited. His TTQ is several levels lower than Moregard. When More won the first game, I knew Togami would lose. When he was on in the rallies, he still served short to fight over the table with More. You believed you could beat More in short game control and strong attack or in long push and counterloop? What a joke

 

[zeio]

Togami admitted it came down to "the difference in those small skills", exactly the 小路球/small road balls/closed game in my analysis.

OTOH, he's still hung up on the idea of surpassing Harimoto (very typical 下克上/gekokujo of Japanese traditional culture) while hoping everyone on the team to support him. He has to get that out of his mind and just focus on improving himself, rather than comparing himself to Harimoto constantly or he will get nowhere.

日本勢46年ぶりの男子シングルスのメダルにあと一歩。戸上隼輔、モーレゴードの執念に屈す
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/270897

試合後のミックスゾーンで、「モーレゴードの長所は守備力の高さと、変幻自在な回転をラリーで混ぜてくるトリッキーなスタイル。上田コーチとはラリーになれば五分五分なので、ラリーに持ち込むまでは我慢、我慢と試合前に話していた」と語った戸上。「レシーブは思った以上にできているなという感覚はあったんですけど、相手のほうがサービスの種類は豊富で、対応しきれなかった部分もある。競った場面であまいレシーブになったり、サービスが出てしまったりして、そういう細かい技術に差を感じました」（戸上）

現役を引退したばかりの上田仁コーチがベンチに入り、初めて二人三脚で戦った世界卓球。最後は悔しい逆転負けに、試合後のベンチでじっと考え込むふたりの姿があったが、滑り出しとしては文句なし。ここからエースの張本智和に肩を並べ、日本男子のツインエースと呼ばれる存在になれるか。「彼（張本）をひとりにさせるわけにはいかない。張本選手以外の日本代表、みんなで彼を支えて、そして彼を追い抜ける存在にぼくがなれるように頑張りたいと思います」と抱負を語った戸上。意外な形で決勝に進出した男子ダブルスで、1961年北京大会の星野展弥／木村興治ペア以来、実に64年ぶりのタイトルを日本にもたらすか。

In the mixed zone after the match, he said, "Moregard's strengths are his high defensive ability and his tricky style of mixing in versatile spins in the rally. Coach Ueda and I have a 50-50 chance of winning a rally, so we talked before the match about being patient and patient until we got to the rally." "I felt that I was receiving better than I thought, but my opponent had a wider variety of serves, and there were some parts that I couldn't handle. In close matches, I made soft/poor/careless receives and serves, and I felt the difference in those small skills." (Togami)

This was the first time that the World Table Tennis Championships were held with coach Ueda Jin, who had just retired from active duty, on the bench. In the end, they were seen on the bench, thinking deeply about their disappointing loss, but it was an impeccable start. Can they stand shoulder to shoulder with ace Tomokazu Harimoto and become the twin aces of Japanese men? "I can't let him (Harimoto) be alone. I want everyone on the Japanese national team, except for Harimoto, to support him, and I want to do my best to become someone who can surpass him," said Togami. In the men's doubles, they made it to the finals in an unexpected way, and will they bring Japan its first title in 64 years since the pair HOSHINO Nobuya and KIMURA Koji at the 1961 Beijing tournament?

 

[zeio]

Welcome-home press conference.

世界卓球2025 日本代表帰国記者会見｜5月26日（月）20:30〜 LIVE配信予定
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfRoTHEWNcs

 

[zeio]

Hirano passed out from hyperventilation (which she touched on in the interview 4 days later) after her 2nd round exit and was hospitalized.

She will take a leave from the national team training camp and withdraw from some international competitions in Europe, but will probably take part in the US Smash since she is already qualified.

乒乓世錦賽｜平野美宇出局後暈倒　「覺得自己贏不到就沒價值」 (Table Tennis World Championships | Hirano Miu fainted after being eliminated: "I feel I have no value if I can't win")
https://www.hk01.com/article/60241610

平野相隔4天後才再次現身受訪，《共同社》報道引述她表示：「當時我也沒有留意到，但我開始過度換氣、我的手和腳都動不了。那時候我就在想，如果我這麼努力也動不了，根本沒有意思。由現在開始，我想以自己的身心為先。」

事實上，平野在次圈比賽期間已不住落淚，她解釋道：「到了這年紀還在比賽中哭，實在抱歉，但即使我是成年人，還是會哭。世錦賽對我來說是個轉捩點，一想到這一點就忍不住哭了。」

「當我打乒乓球的時候，我總是想着要贏奧運金牌，我覺得如果要打乒乓，就要以奧運為目標，但這給我很大壓力，也令我覺得很難再推動自己前進了。希望自己可以不要想着奧運去打球就好了。」《日本經濟新聞》引述她說：「我覺得自己贏不到的話，就沒有價值。」

她又表示，比賽之後，身邊人向她說：「你已經做得夠好了，可以停下來了」，她坦承聽到的一刻覺得如釋重負，「直到今天為止，乒乓球仍充滿快樂的回憶」，她希望自己換個心態，「直到現在，我一直只想贏，而在競技體育中成績是最重要的。但如果我倒下了，一切都沒有意義。」

平野又表示，自己暫時不會參加日本國家隊集訓，也會退出部份歐洲賽事，不過由於已入選7月美國賽的國家隊名單，她可能仍會出戰。

Hirano did not appear for an interview until 4 days later. Kyodo News quoted her as saying: "I didn't notice it at the time, but I started to hyperventilate and my hands and feet couldn't move. At that time, I thought, if I can't move even if I try so hard, there is no point. From now on, I want to put my body and mind first."

In fact, Hirano was already in tears during the second round. She explained: "I'm sorry that I still cry during the competition at this age, but even if I'm an adult, I will still cry. The World Championships is a turning point for me. I can't help crying when I think about it."

"When I was playing table tennis, I always thought about winning an Olympic gold medal. I felt that if I wanted to play table tennis, I had to aim for the Olympics, but this put a lot of pressure on me and made it hard for me to push myself forward. I wish I could play without thinking about the Olympics," she was quoted as saying by the Nikkei newspaper. "I felt that if I couldn't win, it would be worthless."

She also said that after the game, someone around her said to her, "You've done well enough, you can stop now." She admitted that she felt relieved the moment she heard that. "To this day, table tennis is still full of happy memories." She hopes to change her mindset. "Until now, I have always just wanted to win, and in competitive sports, results are the most important. But if I fall, everything will be meaningless."

Hirano also said that she will not participate in the Japanese national team training for the time being and will withdraw from some European competitions. However, since she has been selected for the national team roster for the US competition in July, she may still compete.

 

[apacible]

With Ito now winning a WTTC medal, I think she puts herself ahead in the conversation for the greatest Japanese player of this era. Maybe having early success isn't as damaging as it is made out to be, especially when you have Wang Yidi....

Ito now has a unique achievement as she becomes the first and only non-Chinese female player to have a singles medal in each of the 3 major tournaments (2020 and 2025 World Cup, 2025 World Championships, and 2020 Olympics).

Other non-Chinese female players have come close: Hayata (World Cup), Hirano (Olympics), Feng Tianwei (WTTC), Chen Jing (World Cup). Perhaps Miwa Harimoto has a chance to at least equal Ito's feat (given her age), with Hayata and Hirano being possible contenders as well (depending on how long they plan to continue playing).

For a non-chinese player, having a singles medal in each of the 3 major tournaments (World Cup, World Championships, Olympics) is quite rare on the Men's side as well with Ryu Seung Min being the last non-Chinese male player to achieve it (2004 Olympic Gold, 2007 WC Silver, and 2007 WTTC Bronze)

Other non-chinese male players able to achieve a similar feat are Kim Taek-Soo, Jean-Philippe Gatien, and of course, grand slam holder Jan-Ove Waldner.

 

[NextLevel]

Ito now has a unique achievement as she becomes the first and only non-Chinese female player to have a singles medal in each of the 3 major tournaments (2020 and 2025 World Cup, 2025 World Championships, and 2020 Olympics).

Other non-Chinese female players have come close: Hayata (World Cup), Hirano (Olympics), Feng Tianwei (WTTC), Chen Jing (World Cup). Perhaps Miwa Harimoto has a chance to at least equal Ito's feat (given her age), with Hayata and Hirano being possible contenders as well (depending on how long they plan to continue playing).

For a non-chinese player, having a singles medal in each of the 3 major tournaments (World Cup, World Championships, Olympics) is quite rare on the Men's side as well with Ryu Seung Min being the last non-Chinese male player to achieve it (2004 Olympic Gold, 2007 WC Silver, and 2007 WTTC Bronze)

Other non-chinese male players able to achieve a similar feat are Kim Taek-Soo, Jean-Philippe Gatien, and of course, grand slam holder Jan-Ove Waldner.

If we want to be a bit nuanced, Miwa was fortunate to achieve her World Cup medal in the old system when only two Chonese players could play, it is now harder with 4 Chinese players. So Miwa and Hayata have their work cour out for them to match that. Felix and Hugo do have a decent chance and Hugo would have been there of he didnt donate his silver medal to Truls at the last Olympics lol.

 

[Bollwerk]

Ito now has a unique achievement as she becomes the first and only non-Chinese female player to have a singles medal in each of the 3 major tournaments (2020 and 2025 World Cup, 2025 World Championships, and 2020 Olympics).

I call it the bronze slam, finals in all 3 for a silver slam, Wang Hao is an expert in those.

 

[zeio]

"It was the best tournament I've ever had."
"I am amazing after all."
"It feels so good to win a medal after beating a CNT player."

To think these would come out of Ito's mouth after saying "it's meaningless unless you're the winner" back at WTTC 2021.

苦難を乗り越えた伊藤美誠 世界卓球悲願のメダル「自分の中で最高の大会でした」再び掴んだ手応え
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2025/05/037993.html
伊藤美誠「やっぱり自分すごいな」世界卓球10回目の挑戦で念願の銅メダル、母親へのプレゼントに涙
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2025/05/038008.html
【世界卓球】伊藤美誠、女子単で自身初のメダルに涙「中国選手を倒してのメダルはこんなにうれしいんだな」
https://hochi.news/articles/20250523-OHT1T51252.html?page=1

伊藤美誠「優勝以外は意味がない」　世界卓球女子ダブルス銀
https://www.sankei.com/article/20211130-TGF7VH5YJRI43AXOLXH5XPWPDM/

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

"It was the best tournament I've ever had."
"I am amazing after all."
"It feels so good to win a medal after beating a CNT player."

To think these would come out of Ito's mouth after saying "it's meaningless unless you're the winner" back at WTTC 2021.

Mima Ito overcomes hardships to win long-awaited medal at the World Table Tennis Championships "It was the best tournament for me" - once again feeling a sense of accomplishment
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2025/05/037993.html
Mima Ito: "I'm really amazing" - Long-awaited bronze medal in her 10th attempt at the World Table Tennis Championships, tears over the gift she gave to her mother
https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/tabletennis/news/2025/05/038008.html
[World Table Tennis] Mima Ito, in tears after winning her first medal in the women's singles, "I never knew I was so happy to win a medal after beating a Chinese player"
https://hochi.news/articles/20250523-OHT1T51252.html?page=1

Mima Ito: "Nothing but the win means anything" World Table Tennis Women's Doubles Silver
https://www.sankei.com/article/20211130-TGF7VH5YJRI43AXOLXH5XPWPDM/

Sheesh... she's not allowed to be happy after winning her first ever singles medal at a WTTC?

Regarding her 2021 comments, this same frustration of making it into the gold medal match, but losing, was expressed by Yoshimura/Odo even though they had an amazing run to silver. So that's nothing out of the ordinary to express frustration after losing in a gold medal match.

Full context of the last link:

■Mima Ito's comment　: "Beating the Chinese player (in the semi-finals) and making it to the finals really gave me confidence. But to be honest, I don't think anything other than winning is meaningful, so I'm really frustrated."

■Hayata Hina's comment　: "I'm really happy to have had the chance to compete against Ito on this stage, but I am disappointed that I couldn't win. I'll practice hard again and do my best to definitely win one day." (Kyodo News)

 

[zeio]

Sheesh... she's not allowed to be happy after winning her first ever singles medal at a WTTC?

Regarding her 2021 comments, this same frustration of making it into the gold medal match, but losing, was expressed by Yoshimura/Odo even though they had an amazing run to silver. So that's nothing out of the ordinary to express frustration after losing in a gold medal match.

Full context of the last link:

■Mima Ito's comment　: "Beating the Chinese player (in the semi-finals) and making it to the finals really gave me confidence. But to be honest, I don't think anything other than winning is meaningful, so I'm really frustrated."

■Hayata Hina's comment　: "I'm really happy to have had the chance to compete against Ito on this stage, but I am disappointed that I couldn't win. I'll practice hard again and do my best to definitely win one day." (Kyodo News)

Oh, you just remind me Ito also said the following.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-442675

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Oh, you just remind me Ito also said the following.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-442675

Nothing wrong with aiming for the top.

 

[zeio]

Nothing wrong with aiming for the top.

Nothing wrong with ditching your teammates.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Nothing wrong with ditching your teammates.

Nah, she's a great teammate. But it seems you're intent on berating her until the day she retires.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I’m pretty sure Wang Yidi will not play for another 4 years