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Tieba comments on Ishida's revelation.
早田的手，比想象中严重得多啊 (Hayata's hand is way more severe than imagined)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9301099254
贴吧用户_JRUXe78 混双一轮游某种意义上是救了早田的单打
IP属地:浙江来自Android客户端2楼2024-12-02 19:03回复
(In a way, the first round exit in XD helped save Hayata's WS)
shiro_2 他不是假左吗 再把右手练出来 又是一个励志故事
IP属地:四川来自iPhone客户端7楼2024-12-02 19:10收起回复
(Is she a false lefty? Start working on the right hand and that is another inspiring story)
平淡是真_ 本子应该是知道早田即使康复也没法兼项，所以说出了只会和妹妹打混双。
IP属地:湖南来自iPhone客户端14楼2024-12-02 19:21收起回复
(Harimoto likely knew that Hayata wouldn't be able to handle multiple events even if she recovered and so said he would play XD with his sister only)
我是清白的 边女真牛
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端17楼2024-12-02 19:26回复
(Lady Pyon is truly amazing)
戴眼镜的杀手H 边松景牛逼
IP属地:河北来自Android客户端22楼2024-12-02 19:33收起回复
(Pyon Song Gyong is amazing)
乐悠TOINT: 边松景有种打谁都能磨的感觉
2024-12-2 20:52回复
(Pyon Song Gyong gives the impression that she can drag down anyone)
圈圈圆圆.. 早田这个运气也是差 巴黎周期一直挺猛 专挑奥运会伤 当然也是平时练太狠日积月累身体吃不消了 她的实力确实值得一枚奥运铜牌 估计也是豁出去了赌上整个职业生涯也要拼这枚铜牌 毕竟下届奥运会可能没机会了
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端49楼2024-12-02 21:15回复
(Hayata's luck is really bad. She was very aggressive during the Paris cycle but had to get injured during the Olympics. Of course, it's also because she trained too hard and her body couldn't bear it. Her strength is indeed worthy of an Olympic bronze medal. I guess she took the plunge and wagered her entire career to fight for this bronze medal no matter what. After all, she may not have a chance in the next Olympics)
aleenxuyi 边松景也确实NB，打孙颖莎也拼到了2：3
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端51楼2024-12-02 21:24回复
(Pyon Song Gyong is a real badass, and only lost 2-3 against SYS)
宣廉似水写流年 奥运女单铜牌战是残血早田打的残血小申，感觉这俩8-4打边松景打平野都伤着了，再加上奥运前为了挣混双积分都拼得太猛了，奥运强度一大就显现出来了
IP属地:北京来自Android客户端57楼2024-12-02 21:44收起回复
(In the Olympic WS bronze medal match, it was the low-health Hayata against the low-health Little Shin. It seems the two of them got injured in the QF match against Pyon Song Gyong and Hirano. In addition, they fought too hard to earn XD points before the Olympics, and with the intensity of the Olympics, the injuries emerged)
嘤啊嘤 看到这个更想吐槽小申不争气了，几乎送到手上的铜牌给整没了，邓亚萍都说本来可以3:0的开局让她打成了1:2，最后2:4输了
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端65楼2024-12-02 22:25收起回复
(Knowing this, I feel like teasing Little Shin for not living up to expectations. She blew the bronze medal that was almost handed to her. Deng Yaping even said that she could have started with a 3-0 lead but ended up trailing 1-2 and ultimately lost 2-4)
momaka 为了奥运把职业生涯毁了不值得
IP属地:浙江来自Android客户端67楼2024-12-02 23:08收起回复
(It's not worth ruining your career for the Olympics)
momaka: 回复 桃桃叶 :要是真的喜欢乒乓，以后再也打不成了，不可惜吗，上不了奥运还可以在t联赛快乐乒乓啊，以后打底还能打到三十岁，也比现在原地退役好
2024-12-3 07:20回复
(If you really like table tennis, and you can never play again, isn't it a pity? Even if you can't go to the Olympics, you can still play happy table tennis in the T.League, playing until you are 30 years old, which is better than retiring on the spot now)
momaka: 回复 造物蓝夜 :以未来五六年的职业生涯换一瞬的荣耀绝对不值得
2024-12-3 07:23回复
(It is absolutely not worth exchanging the next five or six years of your career for a moment of glory)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :这几年日女的成绩感觉不错，是因为三小龙的辉煌从17年续到了现在，从平野亚锦赛 世界杯夺冠开始。到伊藤东奥拿下混双金，单打铜。再到今年24年，早田拿下单打铜，手也废了。预示着黄金一代的落幕
2024-12-13 23:18回复
(The Japanese women's results in recent years seem good because the glory of the Three Little Dragons has continued from 2017 to now, starting with Hirano's wins at the ATTC and the World Cup. Then Ito's XD gold and WS bronze at the Tokyo Olympics. Then in 2024, Hayata won the WS bronze, with her hand as the price. It foreshadows the end of the golden generation)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :唉确实 不过三小龙是指伊藤平野早田吗 早田出成绩好像比她们晚一个周期吧
2024-12-13 23:37回复
(Oh, that's true, but does the Three Little Dragons refer to Ito, Hirano and Hayata? Hayata seems to produce results one cycle later than them)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :是的 三小龙就是他们三，日女乒天花板。平野出成绩在东京周期前期，伊藤东京后期，早田巴黎周期
2024-12-13 23:39回复
(Yes, the Three Little Dragons means the three of them, the ceiling of the Japanese women's table tennis. Hirano produced results in the early Tokyo cycle, Ito in the late Tokyo cycle, and Hayata in the Paris cycle)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :现在伊藤对gp没有胜算了，好在东奥拿了金银铜，里约也上了团体拿牌了。感觉平野真的很可惜，东奥没争取到单打，巴奥好不容易争取到了，自己却浪费了，下届单打大概不可能了，但我觉得平野还是可以争团体第三人的。
2024-12-13 23:40回复
(Now Ito has no chance against the CNT, but fortunately she won gold, silver and bronze at the Tokyo Olympics, and also won a medal in WT at Rio. I feel it's a pity for Hirano. She didn't get the WS spot for the Tokyo Olympics. After some serious challenges she finally got it for Paris Olympics, but she wasted it. It's probably impossible for her to get the WS spot at the next Olympics, but I think Hirano can still compete for the team spot)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :早田巴奥周期的成绩很稳定了，拿到了奥运铜，她的手应该差不多了，t联赛都注册了，她肯定是想争洛杉矶单打
2024-12-13 23:41回复
(Hayata's performance in the Paris Olympic cycle was very stable, getting the Olympic bronze. That's about it for her hand. Having registered for the T.League, she must want to compete for the WS spot at LA)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :平野巴奥真的很可惜，8进4，对战申裕斌，连翻3盘，决胜局9:11，最后3:4输了。如果平野进了4强，铜牌争夺战对战早田，早田手伤那么严重，她俩又是队友，对内经常交手，头对头也差不多，对对方都很熟悉，早田真的不一定能拿下平野
2024-12-13 23:46回复
(It's a pity for Hirano at Paris Olympics. In the QF against SYB, she took back 3 games in a row, losing 9:11 in the final game, and ultimatley lost 3-4. If Hirano made it to the SF, she would've played against Hayata in the bronze medal match. Hayata's hand injury was so serious, and they are also teammates, often facing each other internally and their H2H was about even, and they are very familiar with each other. Hayata might not be able to take down Hirano)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :平野有了这个单打铜真的如鱼得水，奥运铜➕世界杯金➕亚锦金，能跟伊藤打个有来有回
2024-12-13 23:46回复
(Hirano would be at her pinnacle with this WS bronze, Olympic bronze + World Cup gold, ATTC gold [TL's note: and WTTC bronze], and could give Ito a run for her money)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :早田说是这么说，但是她的手伤真不一定，这都修养多久了，日女更新换代快，国家不会让她一直占着资源不干事儿的
2024-12-13 23:48回复
(Hayata may think so, but her hand injury is an unknown. Look how long she has been recovering. Japanese women are replaced quickly. The country will not let her take up resources and do nothing)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :平野确实 八进四真的不知道在犯什么糊涂 明明实力她不差啊 早田又手伤了 她们俩不管谁赢铜牌都是日本的 早田可能真说不准她们俩谁
2024-12-13 23:50回复
(Indeed a shame for Hirano. I really don't know what she was doing in the QF. She was obviously not bad strength-wise. Hayata had a hand injury again. No matter who took the bronze medal, it would be Japan's. Hayata might really not be able to tell who would've won between the two of them)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :早田我觉得还好 t联赛最近注册回来了 采访也说了期待下一场比赛见面 日本那边纯按规则办事 不会直接ban你 早田现在的世排积分可以保她很长一段时间
2024-12-13 23:52回复
(I think Hayata is still fine. She's signed up for the T.League recently and said in the interview that she is looking forward to her next match. Japan does it by the book and will not ban you directly. Hayata's current WR points can protect her for a long time)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :日女更新换代快 其实也不算特别快 木原长崎现在状态不行 大藤目前是内战王外战不行而且技术很粗糙 前两天t联赛平野还零封了大藤 早田和平野现在还占优 就看奥运前两年了
2024-12-13 23:55回复
(Japanese women are updated quickly, but actually not that quickly. Kihara and Nagasaki are not in good shape now. Odo is currently the king of civil wars, but not good at foreign wars and her skills are very crude. Two days ago, Hirano shut out Odo in the T.League. Hayata and Hirano are still in the lead now. It will come down to two years ahead of the Olympics)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :我觉得还是让平野上洛奥吧，如果她状态还可以的话，而且她又没啥伤，洛奥就是美和平野单打，大藤三单团体
2024-12-13 23:58回复
(I think it's better to let Hirano play at LA Olympics, if she's in good shape and not injured, LA Olympics will be Miwa and Hirano for WS, Odo for WT)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :平野缺一块奥运单打牌子，但是美和在，平野也很难，美和不好对付
2024-12-13 23:58回复
(Hirano is missing an Olympic singles medal, but with Miwa, Hirano will also have it hard, as Miwa is not easy to deal with)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :我还是觉得可以看看早田情况 如果过两年状态都还行 洛奥美和早田平野是最好的三人组 不过平野要拿牌真的很难 巴奥是最好的机会了 平野现在已经打不过美和了 别说四年后 她28 美和才20
2024-12-14 00:04回复
(I still think we can wait and see for Hayata. If she is still in good shape in two years, Miwa, Hayata and Hirano are the best trio for LA Olympics. But it is really hard for Hirano to get a medal. Paris Olympics was the best chance. Hirano can't beat Miwa now, not to mention four years later, she will be 28 and Miwa only 20
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :是的，唉，最好的机会输给那两分了
2024-12-14 00:06回复
(Yes, sigh, the best chance was lost to those two points)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :是啊 出成绩最早的 东奥悔恨最后没有拿到单打名额 巴奥悔恨八进四淘汰 前三局再抓细一点拿下一局就好了 这个周期还挺有心气的 不知道可不可以再争取到洛奥
2024-12-14 00:14回复
(Yes, the first one to produce results. Tokyo Olympics is regretful for not getting the singles spot in the end. Paris Olympics is regretful for being eliminated in the QF. She just needed to be more nuanced in the first three games and take one game. So far in this period she has been quite ambitious. I wonder if she will get a chance again at LA Olympics)
右手横板 还有康复的希望吗？
IP属地:江苏来自iPhone客户端69楼2024-12-02 23:36收起回复
(Any hope for recovery?)
贴吧用户_JRUXe78: 感觉康复了也很可能复伤，她亚锦赛本来都打算上单打的，结果训练时又伤了
2024-12-2 23:38回复
(It seems that even if she recovers, she may get injured again. She was originally planning to play singles at the ATTC, but she got injured again during training)
山水集团高小鹏 她是假左手 很多动作都是别扭的 而且她的动作和水谷 林高远这些假左手还不一样 她主动发力太多 打得比丁宁都辛苦
IP属地:山东70楼2024-12-02 23:44收起回复
(She is a false lefty. Many of her movements are awkward. Her movements are different from those of Mizutani and Lin Gaoyuan. She exerts too much active force, having a harder time playing than Ding Ning)
超级全满贯 边松景还是猛啊
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端77楼2024-12-03 00:44回复
(Pyon Song Gyong is ferocious)
春哥传专用ID 感慨一下日本女子更新换代真快，21年伊藤还有日本领军人物的态势，三年后新的领军人甚至都要陨落了
IP属地:广东来自iPhone客户端95楼2024-12-03 13:23收起回复
(Can't help but think that the Japanese women are updating so fast. Back in 2021, Ito was still the leader of Japan, but three years later, even the new leader is about to fall)
早田的手，比想象中严重得多啊 (Hayata's hand is way more severe than imagined)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9301099254
贴吧用户_JRUXe78 混双一轮游某种意义上是救了早田的单打
IP属地:浙江来自Android客户端2楼2024-12-02 19:03回复
(In a way, the first round exit in XD helped save Hayata's WS)
shiro_2 他不是假左吗 再把右手练出来 又是一个励志故事
IP属地:四川来自iPhone客户端7楼2024-12-02 19:10收起回复
(Is she a false lefty? Start working on the right hand and that is another inspiring story)
平淡是真_ 本子应该是知道早田即使康复也没法兼项，所以说出了只会和妹妹打混双。
IP属地:湖南来自iPhone客户端14楼2024-12-02 19:21收起回复
(Harimoto likely knew that Hayata wouldn't be able to handle multiple events even if she recovered and so said he would play XD with his sister only)
我是清白的 边女真牛
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端17楼2024-12-02 19:26回复
(Lady Pyon is truly amazing)
戴眼镜的杀手H 边松景牛逼
IP属地:河北来自Android客户端22楼2024-12-02 19:33收起回复
(Pyon Song Gyong is amazing)
乐悠TOINT: 边松景有种打谁都能磨的感觉
2024-12-2 20:52回复
(Pyon Song Gyong gives the impression that she can drag down anyone)
圈圈圆圆.. 早田这个运气也是差 巴黎周期一直挺猛 专挑奥运会伤 当然也是平时练太狠日积月累身体吃不消了 她的实力确实值得一枚奥运铜牌 估计也是豁出去了赌上整个职业生涯也要拼这枚铜牌 毕竟下届奥运会可能没机会了
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端49楼2024-12-02 21:15回复
(Hayata's luck is really bad. She was very aggressive during the Paris cycle but had to get injured during the Olympics. Of course, it's also because she trained too hard and her body couldn't bear it. Her strength is indeed worthy of an Olympic bronze medal. I guess she took the plunge and wagered her entire career to fight for this bronze medal no matter what. After all, she may not have a chance in the next Olympics)
aleenxuyi 边松景也确实NB，打孙颖莎也拼到了2：3
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端51楼2024-12-02 21:24回复
(Pyon Song Gyong is a real badass, and only lost 2-3 against SYS)
宣廉似水写流年 奥运女单铜牌战是残血早田打的残血小申，感觉这俩8-4打边松景打平野都伤着了，再加上奥运前为了挣混双积分都拼得太猛了，奥运强度一大就显现出来了
IP属地:北京来自Android客户端57楼2024-12-02 21:44收起回复
(In the Olympic WS bronze medal match, it was the low-health Hayata against the low-health Little Shin. It seems the two of them got injured in the QF match against Pyon Song Gyong and Hirano. In addition, they fought too hard to earn XD points before the Olympics, and with the intensity of the Olympics, the injuries emerged)
嘤啊嘤 看到这个更想吐槽小申不争气了，几乎送到手上的铜牌给整没了，邓亚萍都说本来可以3:0的开局让她打成了1:2，最后2:4输了
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端65楼2024-12-02 22:25收起回复
(Knowing this, I feel like teasing Little Shin for not living up to expectations. She blew the bronze medal that was almost handed to her. Deng Yaping even said that she could have started with a 3-0 lead but ended up trailing 1-2 and ultimately lost 2-4)
momaka 为了奥运把职业生涯毁了不值得
IP属地:浙江来自Android客户端67楼2024-12-02 23:08收起回复
(It's not worth ruining your career for the Olympics)
momaka: 回复 桃桃叶 :要是真的喜欢乒乓，以后再也打不成了，不可惜吗，上不了奥运还可以在t联赛快乐乒乓啊，以后打底还能打到三十岁，也比现在原地退役好
2024-12-3 07:20回复
(If you really like table tennis, and you can never play again, isn't it a pity? Even if you can't go to the Olympics, you can still play happy table tennis in the T.League, playing until you are 30 years old, which is better than retiring on the spot now)
momaka: 回复 造物蓝夜 :以未来五六年的职业生涯换一瞬的荣耀绝对不值得
2024-12-3 07:23回复
(It is absolutely not worth exchanging the next five or six years of your career for a moment of glory)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :这几年日女的成绩感觉不错，是因为三小龙的辉煌从17年续到了现在，从平野亚锦赛 世界杯夺冠开始。到伊藤东奥拿下混双金，单打铜。再到今年24年，早田拿下单打铜，手也废了。预示着黄金一代的落幕
2024-12-13 23:18回复
(The Japanese women's results in recent years seem good because the glory of the Three Little Dragons has continued from 2017 to now, starting with Hirano's wins at the ATTC and the World Cup. Then Ito's XD gold and WS bronze at the Tokyo Olympics. Then in 2024, Hayata won the WS bronze, with her hand as the price. It foreshadows the end of the golden generation)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :唉确实 不过三小龙是指伊藤平野早田吗 早田出成绩好像比她们晚一个周期吧
2024-12-13 23:37回复
(Oh, that's true, but does the Three Little Dragons refer to Ito, Hirano and Hayata? Hayata seems to produce results one cycle later than them)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :是的 三小龙就是他们三，日女乒天花板。平野出成绩在东京周期前期，伊藤东京后期，早田巴黎周期
2024-12-13 23:39回复
(Yes, the Three Little Dragons means the three of them, the ceiling of the Japanese women's table tennis. Hirano produced results in the early Tokyo cycle, Ito in the late Tokyo cycle, and Hayata in the Paris cycle)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :现在伊藤对gp没有胜算了，好在东奥拿了金银铜，里约也上了团体拿牌了。感觉平野真的很可惜，东奥没争取到单打，巴奥好不容易争取到了，自己却浪费了，下届单打大概不可能了，但我觉得平野还是可以争团体第三人的。
2024-12-13 23:40回复
(Now Ito has no chance against the CNT, but fortunately she won gold, silver and bronze at the Tokyo Olympics, and also won a medal in WT at Rio. I feel it's a pity for Hirano. She didn't get the WS spot for the Tokyo Olympics. After some serious challenges she finally got it for Paris Olympics, but she wasted it. It's probably impossible for her to get the WS spot at the next Olympics, but I think Hirano can still compete for the team spot)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :早田巴奥周期的成绩很稳定了，拿到了奥运铜，她的手应该差不多了，t联赛都注册了，她肯定是想争洛杉矶单打
2024-12-13 23:41回复
(Hayata's performance in the Paris Olympic cycle was very stable, getting the Olympic bronze. That's about it for her hand. Having registered for the T.League, she must want to compete for the WS spot at LA)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :平野巴奥真的很可惜，8进4，对战申裕斌，连翻3盘，决胜局9:11，最后3:4输了。如果平野进了4强，铜牌争夺战对战早田，早田手伤那么严重，她俩又是队友，对内经常交手，头对头也差不多，对对方都很熟悉，早田真的不一定能拿下平野
2024-12-13 23:46回复
(It's a pity for Hirano at Paris Olympics. In the QF against SYB, she took back 3 games in a row, losing 9:11 in the final game, and ultimatley lost 3-4. If Hirano made it to the SF, she would've played against Hayata in the bronze medal match. Hayata's hand injury was so serious, and they are also teammates, often facing each other internally and their H2H was about even, and they are very familiar with each other. Hayata might not be able to take down Hirano)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :平野有了这个单打铜真的如鱼得水，奥运铜➕世界杯金➕亚锦金，能跟伊藤打个有来有回
2024-12-13 23:46回复
(Hirano would be at her pinnacle with this WS bronze, Olympic bronze + World Cup gold, ATTC gold [TL's note: and WTTC bronze], and could give Ito a run for her money)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :早田说是这么说，但是她的手伤真不一定，这都修养多久了，日女更新换代快，国家不会让她一直占着资源不干事儿的
2024-12-13 23:48回复
(Hayata may think so, but her hand injury is an unknown. Look how long she has been recovering. Japanese women are replaced quickly. The country will not let her take up resources and do nothing)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :平野确实 八进四真的不知道在犯什么糊涂 明明实力她不差啊 早田又手伤了 她们俩不管谁赢铜牌都是日本的 早田可能真说不准她们俩谁
2024-12-13 23:50回复
(Indeed a shame for Hirano. I really don't know what she was doing in the QF. She was obviously not bad strength-wise. Hayata had a hand injury again. No matter who took the bronze medal, it would be Japan's. Hayata might really not be able to tell who would've won between the two of them)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :早田我觉得还好 t联赛最近注册回来了 采访也说了期待下一场比赛见面 日本那边纯按规则办事 不会直接ban你 早田现在的世排积分可以保她很长一段时间
2024-12-13 23:52回复
(I think Hayata is still fine. She's signed up for the T.League recently and said in the interview that she is looking forward to her next match. Japan does it by the book and will not ban you directly. Hayata's current WR points can protect her for a long time)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :日女更新换代快 其实也不算特别快 木原长崎现在状态不行 大藤目前是内战王外战不行而且技术很粗糙 前两天t联赛平野还零封了大藤 早田和平野现在还占优 就看奥运前两年了
2024-12-13 23:55回复
(Japanese women are updated quickly, but actually not that quickly. Kihara and Nagasaki are not in good shape now. Odo is currently the king of civil wars, but not good at foreign wars and her skills are very crude. Two days ago, Hirano shut out Odo in the T.League. Hayata and Hirano are still in the lead now. It will come down to two years ahead of the Olympics)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :我觉得还是让平野上洛奥吧，如果她状态还可以的话，而且她又没啥伤，洛奥就是美和平野单打，大藤三单团体
2024-12-13 23:58回复
(I think it's better to let Hirano play at LA Olympics, if she's in good shape and not injured, LA Olympics will be Miwa and Hirano for WS, Odo for WT)
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :平野缺一块奥运单打牌子，但是美和在，平野也很难，美和不好对付
2024-12-13 23:58回复
(Hirano is missing an Olympic singles medal, but with Miwa, Hirano will also have it hard, as Miwa is not easy to deal with)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :我还是觉得可以看看早田情况 如果过两年状态都还行 洛奥美和早田平野是最好的三人组 不过平野要拿牌真的很难 巴奥是最好的机会了 平野现在已经打不过美和了 别说四年后 她28 美和才20
2024-12-14 00:04回复
(I still think we can wait and see for Hayata. If she is still in good shape in two years, Miwa, Hayata and Hirano are the best trio for LA Olympics. But it is really hard for Hirano to get a medal. Paris Olympics was the best chance. Hirano can't beat Miwa now, not to mention four years later, she will be 28 and Miwa only 20
本🉑儿人美心善: 回复 吧友16628288 :是的，唉，最好的机会输给那两分了
2024-12-14 00:06回复
(Yes, sigh, the best chance was lost to those two points)
吧友16628288: 回复 本🉑儿人美心善 :是啊 出成绩最早的 东奥悔恨最后没有拿到单打名额 巴奥悔恨八进四淘汰 前三局再抓细一点拿下一局就好了 这个周期还挺有心气的 不知道可不可以再争取到洛奥
2024-12-14 00:14回复
(Yes, the first one to produce results. Tokyo Olympics is regretful for not getting the singles spot in the end. Paris Olympics is regretful for being eliminated in the QF. She just needed to be more nuanced in the first three games and take one game. So far in this period she has been quite ambitious. I wonder if she will get a chance again at LA Olympics)
右手横板 还有康复的希望吗？
IP属地:江苏来自iPhone客户端69楼2024-12-02 23:36收起回复
(Any hope for recovery?)
贴吧用户_JRUXe78: 感觉康复了也很可能复伤，她亚锦赛本来都打算上单打的，结果训练时又伤了
2024-12-2 23:38回复
(It seems that even if she recovers, she may get injured again. She was originally planning to play singles at the ATTC, but she got injured again during training)
山水集团高小鹏 她是假左手 很多动作都是别扭的 而且她的动作和水谷 林高远这些假左手还不一样 她主动发力太多 打得比丁宁都辛苦
IP属地:山东70楼2024-12-02 23:44收起回复
(She is a false lefty. Many of her movements are awkward. Her movements are different from those of Mizutani and Lin Gaoyuan. She exerts too much active force, having a harder time playing than Ding Ning)
超级全满贯 边松景还是猛啊
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端77楼2024-12-03 00:44回复
(Pyon Song Gyong is ferocious)
春哥传专用ID 感慨一下日本女子更新换代真快，21年伊藤还有日本领军人物的态势，三年后新的领军人甚至都要陨落了
IP属地:广东来自iPhone客户端95楼2024-12-03 13:23收起回复
(Can't help but think that the Japanese women are updating so fast. Back in 2021, Ito was still the leader of Japan, but three years later, even the new leader is about to fall)
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早田希娜作为巴奥周期最强外协她的实力也不弱吧 (Hayata Hina, as the strongest foreign player in the Paris Olympic cycle, her strength is not weak, right?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9343158394
Elsa小火灵 她的战绩主要烂在是对孙颖莎的16连败，缺少世界冠军头衔，没有一串国乒主力夺冠军的比赛，如果杭州亚运决赛赢了会不会风评好点
IP属地:江苏来自iPhone客户端1楼2024-12-19 11:53回复
(Her result is bad mainly because of her 16 consecutive defeats to Sun Yingsha, the lack of World Titles, and not having won all the way by skewering the core CNT players. If she won in the final of the Hangzhou Asian Games, would her reputation have been better?)
hjshjjj 一般般吧，没有平野伊藤美和打出来时那样惊艳，天赋不行，胜在资源好，日本女版松岛，也够努力，巴黎周期打国乒之外的外协比另外几个更稳定，但上限也没她们高
IP属地:福建来自Android客户端5楼2024-12-19 12:08回复
(Just so-so. She is not as amazing as Hirano, Ito and Miwa when they started out. Her talent is lacking, but she has good resources. She is Japan's female version of Matsushima and works hard enough. She is more consistent against foreign players than the other teammates in the Paris cycle, but her ceiling is not as high as theirs)
hjshjjj 和日女历届一姐相比她应该是最差的那个了
IP属地:福建来自Android客户端6楼2024-12-19 12:09收起回复
(Compared with all the previous top Japan women, she is probably the worst one)
我是清白的 她实绩肯定比不过伊藤平野
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端9楼2024-12-19 12:30收起回复
(Her achievements are definitely not as good as Ito and Hirano)
我是清白的: 平野伊藤赢的人比她多太多了
2024-12-19 12:31回复
(Hirano and Ito have defeated many more people than her)
开心的玩: 伊藤有个奥运金牌，平野大赛拿过单打冠军，确实难
2024-12-19 13:17回复
(Ito has an Olympic gold and Hirano has won the singles World Title. It is indeed difficult)
仿佛129 单论牌子的话早田也比不过伊藤平野吧，伊藤奥运铜世界杯铜加混双奥运金，平野亚锦金世界杯金，这俩早田就超不过去，不过目前日女地位三号位吧，还有个很伤的点是她很难回归了，伊藤和平野还有机会继续拿，但早田就真没什么机会了，伤太严重了
IP属地:山东来自iPhone客户端15楼2024-12-19 15:04收起回复
(In terms of medal alone, Hayata can't compare to Ito and Hirano. Ito won an Olympic bronze, a World Cup bronze and a mixed doubles Olympic gold, while Hirano won an ATTC gold and a World Cup gold. Hayata can't surpass these two. However, she is currently ranked third in status among Japanese women. Another very sad point is that it will be difficult for her to return. Ito and Hirano still have a chance to continue to win, but Hayata really has no chance. The injury is too serious)
呕吐中753: 论地位前面还得排个石川佳纯
2024-12-19 16:52回复
(In terms of status, in front of her is Ishikawa Kasumi)
沙气藤藤大月月 从成绩和战绩看，最短的“一姐”。现在应该是张本美和了。
IP属地:天津来自Android客户端16楼2024-12-19 15:06收起回复
(Judging from achievements and results, the shortest "First Lady". Should be Harimoto now)
zengjiao8888: 全日锦都没有，哪来的一姐。
2024-12-19 15:29回复
(Without Zennihon Takkyu, how can she be the First Lady)
沙气藤藤大月月: 回复 zengjiao8888 :一姐分内战一姐，外战一姐
2024-12-19 15:41回复
(First Lady is divided into First Lady in civil wars and First Lady in foreign wars)
zengjiao8888: 回复 沙气藤藤大月月 :没有的事情，一姐就是一姐，张本美和至少得拿了全日锦才能说是一姐，现在没拿也不能说是一姐。日本很看重全日锦的。
2024-12-19 15:51回复
(No, #1 is #1. Harimoto Miwa must at least win the Zennihon Takkyu to be called the #1. If she hasn't won it yet, she can't be called #1. Japan attaches great importance to the Zennihon Takkyu)
唐宋元明清～: 回复 沙气藤藤大月月 :张本美和啥也算不上一姐，内战无全日锦，外战世界大赛单打没突破国乒主力
2024-12-19 16:21回复
(Harimoto Miwa is not the First Lady in any way. She has no Zennihon Takkyu in civil wars, and has not broken through the core CNT players in the majors)
LEONYXW: 回复 唐宋元明清～ :大迪：我算不算主力啊
2024-12-19 19:38回复
(Dadi: Do I count as a core player?)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 回复 唐宋元明清～ :15岁世界杯铜，16岁亚锦一单两分拿亚锦团体金和单打银，外战在世界杯亚锦赛两次突破了第四号主力
2024-12-20 02:31回复
(At the age of 15, she won bronze at the World Cup. At the age of 16, she won the ATTC WT gold and WS silver. In foreign wars, she broke through the fourth core player twice at the World Cup and ATTC)
贴吧用户_JAV9S6K: 回复 唐宋元明清～ :美和世界杯铜牌不是吗？王艺迪不算国乒主力啊……
2024-12-20 03:41回复
(Miwa's World Cup bronze doesn't count? WYD not considered a core CNT player...?)
aleenxuyi 早田就是典型的下限高上限低
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端17楼2024-12-19 15:27收起回复
(Hayata is a typical example with a high lower limit but a low upper limit)
贴吧用户_7bPtWWK 因为神风特攻队
IP属地:辽宁来自Android客户端18楼2024-12-19 16:43回复
(Because of Kamikaze Special Attack Force)
小气轨 最有韧劲的日女一号，但天赋一般
IP属地:吉林来自iPhone客户端22楼2024-12-20 15:36回复
(The toughest #1 Japanese woman, but so-so talent)
早田在历代日女一姐中算什么水平？ (What is Hayata's level among the top Japanese women in history?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9345802356
我是清白的 一代目福原爱能赢一圈主力 郭跃 丁宁 刘诗雯 李晓霞全输过福原爱
二代目石川拿了世锦混双金
三代目平野亚锦赛女王 单打世界杯金 世锦铜
四代目伊藤日女顶点 拿了奥运金
五代目早田奥运铜 世锦铜 亚运银
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端1楼2024-12-20 11:47回复
The first generation Fukuhara Ai could beat the core players Guo Yue, Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, Li Xiaoxia, all of whom have lost to Fukuhara Ai
The second generation Ishikawa won the WTTC XD gold
The third generation Hirano the ATTC Queen, World Cup WS gold, and WTTC WS bronze
The fourth generation Ito the pinnacle of Japanese women, got the Olympic gold
The fifth generation Hayata Olympic bronze, WTTC bronze, and Asian Games silver
我是清白的 从来没突破过国乒主力 三大主力只有陈梦被逮过一次
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端2楼2024-12-20 16:48收起回复
(Never broke through the core CNT players. Only Chen Meng was caught once among the three core players)
简称小胖子: 平野亚锦赛是先串的丁宁和朱雨玲才到决赛和陈梦遇到的吧
2024-12-22 16:50回复
(Hirano skewered Ding Ning and Zhu Yuling first before meeting Chen Meng in the final, right?)
我是清白的: 回复 简称小胖子 :对
2024-12-22 17:13回复
(Yes)
花世界2001: 赢过两次大迪吧
2024-12-22 19:40回复
(Defeated Dadi twice, right?)
败泡了_ 实力历史第一，成绩历史倒第一
IP属地:辽宁4楼2024-12-22 11:58回复
(#1 in history strength-wise; #1 in reverse achievement-wise)
仿佛129 实力其实是进步的，属于历代一姐中基本功最扎实的，但实绩确实排不上号，只能压压初代一姐福原爱的样子，毕竟其他几个人家都是单项世冠（两个混双一个单打）
IP属地:山东来自iPhone客户端5楼2024-12-22 12:08收起回复
(Her strength is actually improving. She has the most solid fundamentals among all First Ladies in history, but her achievements aren't anywhere close to the top. She can only best the first-generation First Lady Fukuhara Ai. After all, the others all have a World Title in individual events (two XD and one WS))
迪亚兹（混团版） 不如平野伊藤把主力穿了个遍，平野两个周期完成了两次一串三，伊藤更是平均赢了大多数主力两次
IP属地:湖北来自Android客户端9楼2024-12-22 16:31回复
(Not as good as Hirano and Ito who pierced through all the core players. Hirano completed two 1-on-3's in two cycles, and Ito defeated most of the core players twice on average)
无有染9 实力强的 实绩差挺多
IP属地:美国10楼2024-12-22 17:12回复
(Strong strength-wise, way behind achievement-wise)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9343158394
Elsa小火灵 她的战绩主要烂在是对孙颖莎的16连败，缺少世界冠军头衔，没有一串国乒主力夺冠军的比赛，如果杭州亚运决赛赢了会不会风评好点
IP属地:江苏来自iPhone客户端1楼2024-12-19 11:53回复
(Her result is bad mainly because of her 16 consecutive defeats to Sun Yingsha, the lack of World Titles, and not having won all the way by skewering the core CNT players. If she won in the final of the Hangzhou Asian Games, would her reputation have been better?)
hjshjjj 一般般吧，没有平野伊藤美和打出来时那样惊艳，天赋不行，胜在资源好，日本女版松岛，也够努力，巴黎周期打国乒之外的外协比另外几个更稳定，但上限也没她们高
IP属地:福建来自Android客户端5楼2024-12-19 12:08回复
(Just so-so. She is not as amazing as Hirano, Ito and Miwa when they started out. Her talent is lacking, but she has good resources. She is Japan's female version of Matsushima and works hard enough. She is more consistent against foreign players than the other teammates in the Paris cycle, but her ceiling is not as high as theirs)
hjshjjj 和日女历届一姐相比她应该是最差的那个了
IP属地:福建来自Android客户端6楼2024-12-19 12:09收起回复
(Compared with all the previous top Japan women, she is probably the worst one)
我是清白的 她实绩肯定比不过伊藤平野
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端9楼2024-12-19 12:30收起回复
(Her achievements are definitely not as good as Ito and Hirano)
我是清白的: 平野伊藤赢的人比她多太多了
2024-12-19 12:31回复
(Hirano and Ito have defeated many more people than her)
开心的玩: 伊藤有个奥运金牌，平野大赛拿过单打冠军，确实难
2024-12-19 13:17回复
(Ito has an Olympic gold and Hirano has won the singles World Title. It is indeed difficult)
仿佛129 单论牌子的话早田也比不过伊藤平野吧，伊藤奥运铜世界杯铜加混双奥运金，平野亚锦金世界杯金，这俩早田就超不过去，不过目前日女地位三号位吧，还有个很伤的点是她很难回归了，伊藤和平野还有机会继续拿，但早田就真没什么机会了，伤太严重了
IP属地:山东来自iPhone客户端15楼2024-12-19 15:04收起回复
(In terms of medal alone, Hayata can't compare to Ito and Hirano. Ito won an Olympic bronze, a World Cup bronze and a mixed doubles Olympic gold, while Hirano won an ATTC gold and a World Cup gold. Hayata can't surpass these two. However, she is currently ranked third in status among Japanese women. Another very sad point is that it will be difficult for her to return. Ito and Hirano still have a chance to continue to win, but Hayata really has no chance. The injury is too serious)
呕吐中753: 论地位前面还得排个石川佳纯
2024-12-19 16:52回复
(In terms of status, in front of her is Ishikawa Kasumi)
沙气藤藤大月月 从成绩和战绩看，最短的“一姐”。现在应该是张本美和了。
IP属地:天津来自Android客户端16楼2024-12-19 15:06收起回复
(Judging from achievements and results, the shortest "First Lady". Should be Harimoto now)
zengjiao8888: 全日锦都没有，哪来的一姐。
2024-12-19 15:29回复
(Without Zennihon Takkyu, how can she be the First Lady)
沙气藤藤大月月: 回复 zengjiao8888 :一姐分内战一姐，外战一姐
2024-12-19 15:41回复
(First Lady is divided into First Lady in civil wars and First Lady in foreign wars)
zengjiao8888: 回复 沙气藤藤大月月 :没有的事情，一姐就是一姐，张本美和至少得拿了全日锦才能说是一姐，现在没拿也不能说是一姐。日本很看重全日锦的。
2024-12-19 15:51回复
(No, #1 is #1. Harimoto Miwa must at least win the Zennihon Takkyu to be called the #1. If she hasn't won it yet, she can't be called #1. Japan attaches great importance to the Zennihon Takkyu)
唐宋元明清～: 回复 沙气藤藤大月月 :张本美和啥也算不上一姐，内战无全日锦，外战世界大赛单打没突破国乒主力
2024-12-19 16:21回复
(Harimoto Miwa is not the First Lady in any way. She has no Zennihon Takkyu in civil wars, and has not broken through the core CNT players in the majors)
LEONYXW: 回复 唐宋元明清～ :大迪：我算不算主力啊
2024-12-19 19:38回复
(Dadi: Do I count as a core player?)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 回复 唐宋元明清～ :15岁世界杯铜，16岁亚锦一单两分拿亚锦团体金和单打银，外战在世界杯亚锦赛两次突破了第四号主力
2024-12-20 02:31回复
(At the age of 15, she won bronze at the World Cup. At the age of 16, she won the ATTC WT gold and WS silver. In foreign wars, she broke through the fourth core player twice at the World Cup and ATTC)
贴吧用户_JAV9S6K: 回复 唐宋元明清～ :美和世界杯铜牌不是吗？王艺迪不算国乒主力啊……
2024-12-20 03:41回复
(Miwa's World Cup bronze doesn't count? WYD not considered a core CNT player...?)
aleenxuyi 早田就是典型的下限高上限低
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端17楼2024-12-19 15:27收起回复
(Hayata is a typical example with a high lower limit but a low upper limit)
贴吧用户_7bPtWWK 因为神风特攻队
IP属地:辽宁来自Android客户端18楼2024-12-19 16:43回复
(Because of Kamikaze Special Attack Force)
小气轨 最有韧劲的日女一号，但天赋一般
IP属地:吉林来自iPhone客户端22楼2024-12-20 15:36回复
(The toughest #1 Japanese woman, but so-so talent)
早田在历代日女一姐中算什么水平？ (What is Hayata's level among the top Japanese women in history?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9345802356
我是清白的 一代目福原爱能赢一圈主力 郭跃 丁宁 刘诗雯 李晓霞全输过福原爱
二代目石川拿了世锦混双金
三代目平野亚锦赛女王 单打世界杯金 世锦铜
四代目伊藤日女顶点 拿了奥运金
五代目早田奥运铜 世锦铜 亚运银
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端1楼2024-12-20 11:47回复
The first generation Fukuhara Ai could beat the core players Guo Yue, Ding Ning, Liu Shiwen, Li Xiaoxia, all of whom have lost to Fukuhara Ai
The second generation Ishikawa won the WTTC XD gold
The third generation Hirano the ATTC Queen, World Cup WS gold, and WTTC WS bronze
The fourth generation Ito the pinnacle of Japanese women, got the Olympic gold
The fifth generation Hayata Olympic bronze, WTTC bronze, and Asian Games silver
我是清白的 从来没突破过国乒主力 三大主力只有陈梦被逮过一次
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端2楼2024-12-20 16:48收起回复
(Never broke through the core CNT players. Only Chen Meng was caught once among the three core players)
简称小胖子: 平野亚锦赛是先串的丁宁和朱雨玲才到决赛和陈梦遇到的吧
2024-12-22 16:50回复
(Hirano skewered Ding Ning and Zhu Yuling first before meeting Chen Meng in the final, right?)
我是清白的: 回复 简称小胖子 :对
2024-12-22 17:13回复
(Yes)
花世界2001: 赢过两次大迪吧
2024-12-22 19:40回复
(Defeated Dadi twice, right?)
败泡了_ 实力历史第一，成绩历史倒第一
IP属地:辽宁4楼2024-12-22 11:58回复
(#1 in history strength-wise; #1 in reverse achievement-wise)
仿佛129 实力其实是进步的，属于历代一姐中基本功最扎实的，但实绩确实排不上号，只能压压初代一姐福原爱的样子，毕竟其他几个人家都是单项世冠（两个混双一个单打）
IP属地:山东来自iPhone客户端5楼2024-12-22 12:08收起回复
(Her strength is actually improving. She has the most solid fundamentals among all First Ladies in history, but her achievements aren't anywhere close to the top. She can only best the first-generation First Lady Fukuhara Ai. After all, the others all have a World Title in individual events (two XD and one WS))
迪亚兹（混团版） 不如平野伊藤把主力穿了个遍，平野两个周期完成了两次一串三，伊藤更是平均赢了大多数主力两次
IP属地:湖北来自Android客户端9楼2024-12-22 16:31回复
(Not as good as Hirano and Ito who pierced through all the core players. Hirano completed two 1-on-3's in two cycles, and Ito defeated most of the core players twice on average)
无有染9 实力强的 实绩差挺多
IP属地:美国10楼2024-12-22 17:12回复
(Strong strength-wise, way behind achievement-wise)
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The full bracket was released today and Mori is definitely not playing this time.
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Hayata has to pay out of her pocket for WTT SCT Doha 2025? Did she sign up late because she planned to recuperate but changed her mind?
2025 WTTスターコンテンダー ドーハ（カタール）
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Mori is following Kato’s footsteps? Retiring?The full bracket was released today and Mori is definitely not playing this time.
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Somewhat interesting that although Sakura Yokoi and Miyu Nagasaki are not JNT members, Yokoi gets the paid for spot vacated by Hayata's probably late decision despite having world ranking lower than that of Nagasaki. I do understand it though with Yokoi's recent success. In any case, happy to see them all get a chance to play internationally.
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Could be the first sign. She struggled a lot back at XTWC 2024. A 5ch user criticized her rather severely while speaking of Ito and Hayata pulling rank.
スレ立てるほどでもない大会・海外卓球 女子256
https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1734183765/
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結局、選手と個人コーチの邪魔をしない用務員がいいということだろ、伊藤、早田にとって
年長組がそういう姿勢だから、張本や大藤も代表ってそういうところだと思ってしまう
ケガをしている選手がその状態を個人コーチにしか明かさずに、
団体戦でも個人戦でも、ひどいパフォーマンス、あるいはドタキャン
この前の団体混合だって、森はひどすぎた 雑魚相手に大苦戦し、結局、2試合くらいしか出なかっただろ
事前に合宿して調子を確認するか、代表監督が個々の練習場に足を運んで様子を見る
(In the end, it's good to have janitors who don't get in the way of the players and their personal coaches, in terms of Ito and Hayata
If the older players have that kind of attitude, I think Harimoto and Odo would also get the idea that the national team is a place that like
Injured players only reveal their condition to their personal coaches,
in both team and individual matches, they perform poorly or even cancel at the last minute
Even in the previous XTWC, Mori was terrible. She struggled against the weaklings and ended up only playing in about two matches
They should hold a training camp beforehand to check on their condition, or the national team coach should visit each individual training ground to check on them)
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/china-smash-2024-beijing-9-26-10-6.33455/post-481577
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Hayata apparently is in good enough condition to play on Dec 26 in T-League match between Red Elves vs. Asteeda. The team matchup will also include CIC on Hayata's team (Red Elf) and SYB on Asteeda.
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2024年も残りわずか。年内に開催される『ノジマTリーグ2024-2025シーズン』は7試合。日本生命レッドエルフ、静岡...
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Kenta had to pull out because he had surgery on his playing arm and won't recover in time.
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为什么大家会有张本大赛发挥好的刻板印象？ (Why do people have the stereotype that Harimoto performs well in majors?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9353811771
为什么要取昵称 因为外协不需要稳赢啊，只要时不时爆种就足够被当做对国乒有威胁的存在，我还是觉得张本挺厉害的，打了9年成人赛，可以说国乒人手一份关于张本的菜谱吧，日乒花期短的说法不也是因为这些原因，像以前的伊藤，平野，后来被研究透了就慢慢没了威胁，但是张本这么多年过去了依然能在国乒手里抢冠军，而且相比以前好多了，巴奥后拿了一次冠军两次亚军，没那么跳楼机了，反正年龄也不大，奥运四年一次拿牌几率或许少，但其他比赛基本一年一次，还是有机会拿的
IP属地:韩国来自iPhone客户端13楼2024-12-23 15:50收起回复
(Because foreign players don't need to win consistently. As long as they can break out from time to time, they are enough to be regarded as a threat to the CNT. I still think Harimoto is pretty amazing. He has played in senior competitions for 9 years. It can be said that everyone in the CNT has a recipe for Harimoto. The saying that the JNT has a short flowering period is also due to these reasons. Like Ito and Hirano in the past, they were studied thoroughly and gradually lost their threats. However, Harimoto can still win titles from the CNT after so many years, and it is much better than before. After the Olympics, he won one title and two runner-ups. He is not so drop-tower now [TL's note: up-and-down]. Anyway, he is not old. The chance of winning an Olympic medal that occurs once every four years may be small, but other competitions are basically once a year, so there is still a chance to win)
非饼误扰: 而且张本巴黎后遇6次国乒 赢了四次也挺吓人
2024-12-23 17:42回复
(Moreover, Harimoto has met the CNT 6 times since Paris and won four times, which is quite scary)
四皇妃love: 迷马可以说无威胁平野不能算吧，女世一刚拿下德班一周后就跪平野，日女神三单稳定凑分，时不时给你爆个大的，世乒团体零封王艺迪亚锦团体女仆翻身给小盒凑上一分，团体龙神经刀太吓人了鬼知道啥时候就突然爆一个
2024-12-23 18:40回复
(Mima can be said to be non-threatening, but not Hirano. The WR1 woman fell to Hirano a week [a month] after winning in Durban. The Japanese divine 3rd singles consistently scored 1 point, and she will drop you a big bomb from time to time. Shut out WYD at WTTTC and did a maid-makeover at ATTC to get Little Carton [Miwa] another point. A dragon in team events and a wild blade are too scary. God knows when she will suddenly explode)
王！大！师！ 你这爆冷也是刻板印象，事实上他爆冷出名是因为全在大赛上而且在浅轮次所以大家印象深刻，就拿你说的这几次，19年爆冷安宰贤一定程度因为他手伤（腱鞘炎）还没康复，似乎很多人不知道这一点，他父亲在采访里提过，并且直到现在，摩托对安宰贤的交手记录都是下风（没想到吧），巴黎男团输卡尔伯格这个绝对不算爆冷，因为即使他后面复仇，他和卡尔伯格的h2h也才来到5：5，这个选手对他来说本来就很难打，这些例子我只认同21世乒赛和奥运是无法理解的爆冷，就是因为全是大赛，所以让人印象深刻
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端27楼2024-12-23 18:28收起回复
(Your so-called upset is also a stereotype. In fact, he is famous for upsets because they are all in majors and in the early rounds, so everyone has a deep impression. Take the few times you mentioned, say in 2019, the upset by An Jaehyun was to a certain extent because his hand injury (tenosynovitis) had not recovered. It seems that many people don’t know this. His father mentioned it in an interview, and until now, Moto has always been at a disadvantage against An Jaehyun (unexpected, right?). In the Paris men’s team, losing to Kallberg was definitely not an upset, because even if he took revenge later, his H2H with Kallberg only reached 5:5. This player has always been difficult for him to play. Among these examples, I only agree that WTTC 2021 and the Olympics [Tokyo 2020] are incomprehensible upsets, because they are all majors, so they leave an impression)
王！大！师！: 非拿手伤找借口，事实上在贴吧里，我看到过19年世乒赛，有8U讨论过他会不会因手伤退赛的帖子，可见伤严重到一定程度了
2024-12-23 18:31回复
Not using his hand injury as an excuse. In fact, I have seen a post in Tieba about whether he would withdraw from WTTC 2019 due to a hand injury. It can be seen that the injury was serious to a certain extent)
王！大！师！: 巴黎对卡尔伯格的爆冷程度不如对台林的，在头对头上风的情况下输台林才是让摩托本人更无法接受的
2024-12-23 18:43回复
(The upset against Kallberg in Paris was not as great as the one against Tai[pei] Lin. Losing to Tai Lin when up in H2H is what makes Moto himself find more unacceptable)
最最最亲爱的歌迷朋友: 21年东京奥运，他输的是达科，土拨鼠反手也是顶尖，正手不太行，但那时张本正手也不行。
2024-12-23 19:17回复
(At Tokyo 2021, he lost to Darko. Marmot's BH is also top-notch, and his FH is not so good, but Harimoto's FH was also not good at that time)
王！大！师！: 回复 最最最亲爱的歌迷朋友 :21输达科我觉得确实是因为第一次奥运，大赛心态不行，达科虽然很强，但是摩托除了奥运那一次，从来没输过，挺遗憾的，虽然摩托现在是挺过来了，但其实东奥爆冷之后低谷了很长一段时间，用现在的话来说，大概就像现在8U评价lgy和ljk一样，道心破碎吧
2024-12-23 19:23回复
(I think the reason why he lost to Darko in 2021 is because it was his first Olympics, and his mindset was not good. Although Darko was very strong, Moto had never lost except for the Olympics. It was a pity. Although Moto has turned around now, he was actually in a slump for a long time after the upset at the Tokyo Olympics. In today's words, it was probably like Tieba users' evaluation of LGY and LJK now, that the heart of Tao was broken)
fly加载中: 回复 王！大！师！ :平时没赢过，只赢奥运一次的柳承敏水谷隼莫雷加德笑而不语
2024-12-23 23:20回复
(Having never won and only won once in the Olympics, Ryu Seungmin [he won before], Mizutani Jun, Moregard smiled)
fly加载中: 平时比赛哪有什么爆冷不爆冷，都没什么人关注，像骰子平时称王称霸大赛32强才叫爆冷
2024-12-23 23:27回复
(There is no such thing as upset in normal competitions. No one pays attention to it. For example, Dice [WCQ] usually wins left and right but exits in R32 in majors, now that is called an upset)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9353811771
为什么要取昵称 因为外协不需要稳赢啊，只要时不时爆种就足够被当做对国乒有威胁的存在，我还是觉得张本挺厉害的，打了9年成人赛，可以说国乒人手一份关于张本的菜谱吧，日乒花期短的说法不也是因为这些原因，像以前的伊藤，平野，后来被研究透了就慢慢没了威胁，但是张本这么多年过去了依然能在国乒手里抢冠军，而且相比以前好多了，巴奥后拿了一次冠军两次亚军，没那么跳楼机了，反正年龄也不大，奥运四年一次拿牌几率或许少，但其他比赛基本一年一次，还是有机会拿的
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(Because foreign players don't need to win consistently. As long as they can break out from time to time, they are enough to be regarded as a threat to the CNT. I still think Harimoto is pretty amazing. He has played in senior competitions for 9 years. It can be said that everyone in the CNT has a recipe for Harimoto. The saying that the JNT has a short flowering period is also due to these reasons. Like Ito and Hirano in the past, they were studied thoroughly and gradually lost their threats. However, Harimoto can still win titles from the CNT after so many years, and it is much better than before. After the Olympics, he won one title and two runner-ups. He is not so drop-tower now [TL's note: up-and-down]. Anyway, he is not old. The chance of winning an Olympic medal that occurs once every four years may be small, but other competitions are basically once a year, so there is still a chance to win)
非饼误扰: 而且张本巴黎后遇6次国乒 赢了四次也挺吓人
2024-12-23 17:42回复
(Moreover, Harimoto has met the CNT 6 times since Paris and won four times, which is quite scary)
四皇妃love: 迷马可以说无威胁平野不能算吧，女世一刚拿下德班一周后就跪平野，日女神三单稳定凑分，时不时给你爆个大的，世乒团体零封王艺迪亚锦团体女仆翻身给小盒凑上一分，团体龙神经刀太吓人了鬼知道啥时候就突然爆一个
2024-12-23 18:40回复
(Mima can be said to be non-threatening, but not Hirano. The WR1 woman fell to Hirano a week [a month] after winning in Durban. The Japanese divine 3rd singles consistently scored 1 point, and she will drop you a big bomb from time to time. Shut out WYD at WTTTC and did a maid-makeover at ATTC to get Little Carton [Miwa] another point. A dragon in team events and a wild blade are too scary. God knows when she will suddenly explode)
王！大！师！ 你这爆冷也是刻板印象，事实上他爆冷出名是因为全在大赛上而且在浅轮次所以大家印象深刻，就拿你说的这几次，19年爆冷安宰贤一定程度因为他手伤（腱鞘炎）还没康复，似乎很多人不知道这一点，他父亲在采访里提过，并且直到现在，摩托对安宰贤的交手记录都是下风（没想到吧），巴黎男团输卡尔伯格这个绝对不算爆冷，因为即使他后面复仇，他和卡尔伯格的h2h也才来到5：5，这个选手对他来说本来就很难打，这些例子我只认同21世乒赛和奥运是无法理解的爆冷，就是因为全是大赛，所以让人印象深刻
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端27楼2024-12-23 18:28收起回复
(Your so-called upset is also a stereotype. In fact, he is famous for upsets because they are all in majors and in the early rounds, so everyone has a deep impression. Take the few times you mentioned, say in 2019, the upset by An Jaehyun was to a certain extent because his hand injury (tenosynovitis) had not recovered. It seems that many people don’t know this. His father mentioned it in an interview, and until now, Moto has always been at a disadvantage against An Jaehyun (unexpected, right?). In the Paris men’s team, losing to Kallberg was definitely not an upset, because even if he took revenge later, his H2H with Kallberg only reached 5:5. This player has always been difficult for him to play. Among these examples, I only agree that WTTC 2021 and the Olympics [Tokyo 2020] are incomprehensible upsets, because they are all majors, so they leave an impression)
王！大！师！: 非拿手伤找借口，事实上在贴吧里，我看到过19年世乒赛，有8U讨论过他会不会因手伤退赛的帖子，可见伤严重到一定程度了
2024-12-23 18:31回复
Not using his hand injury as an excuse. In fact, I have seen a post in Tieba about whether he would withdraw from WTTC 2019 due to a hand injury. It can be seen that the injury was serious to a certain extent)
王！大！师！: 巴黎对卡尔伯格的爆冷程度不如对台林的，在头对头上风的情况下输台林才是让摩托本人更无法接受的
2024-12-23 18:43回复
(The upset against Kallberg in Paris was not as great as the one against Tai[pei] Lin. Losing to Tai Lin when up in H2H is what makes Moto himself find more unacceptable)
最最最亲爱的歌迷朋友: 21年东京奥运，他输的是达科，土拨鼠反手也是顶尖，正手不太行，但那时张本正手也不行。
2024-12-23 19:17回复
(At Tokyo 2021, he lost to Darko. Marmot's BH is also top-notch, and his FH is not so good, but Harimoto's FH was also not good at that time)
王！大！师！: 回复 最最最亲爱的歌迷朋友 :21输达科我觉得确实是因为第一次奥运，大赛心态不行，达科虽然很强，但是摩托除了奥运那一次，从来没输过，挺遗憾的，虽然摩托现在是挺过来了，但其实东奥爆冷之后低谷了很长一段时间，用现在的话来说，大概就像现在8U评价lgy和ljk一样，道心破碎吧
2024-12-23 19:23回复
(I think the reason why he lost to Darko in 2021 is because it was his first Olympics, and his mindset was not good. Although Darko was very strong, Moto had never lost except for the Olympics. It was a pity. Although Moto has turned around now, he was actually in a slump for a long time after the upset at the Tokyo Olympics. In today's words, it was probably like Tieba users' evaluation of LGY and LJK now, that the heart of Tao was broken)
fly加载中: 回复 王！大！师！ :平时没赢过，只赢奥运一次的柳承敏水谷隼莫雷加德笑而不语
2024-12-23 23:20回复
(Having never won and only won once in the Olympics, Ryu Seungmin [he won before], Mizutani Jun, Moregard smiled)
fly加载中: 平时比赛哪有什么爆冷不爆冷，都没什么人关注，像骰子平时称王称霸大赛32强才叫爆冷
2024-12-23 23:27回复
(There is no such thing as upset in normal competitions. No one pays attention to it. For example, Dice [WCQ] usually wins left and right but exits in R32 in majors, now that is called an upset)
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Finally onto this.
600 samples of men and women between 15-69 from 2024/11/29-12/02. So many of them actually expect Hayata to excel next year?
「今年活躍した」アスリートは大谷翔平、北口榛花、久保建英、早田ひな、
「来年活躍が期待できる」は大谷翔平、早田ひな、久保建英、張本美和が上位に
～「アスリートイメージ評価調査」2024年総括特別編～
https://www.hakuhodody-media.co.jp/newsrelease/report/20241220_36255.html
【今年活躍した女性アスリート】
1 位：北口榛花（陸上＜マラソン/駅伝以外＞）
2 位：早田ひな（卓球）
3 位：角田夏実（柔道）
4 位：阿部詩（柔道）
5 位：張本美和（卓球）
Female athletes expected to excel this year
1: Kitaguchi Haruka (Athletics <Marathon/except Ekiden>)
2: Hayata Hina (Table Tennis)
3: Tsunoda Natsumi (Judo)
4: Abe Uta (Judo)
5: Harimoto Miwa (Table Tennis)
【来年活躍が期待できる女性アスリート】
1 位：早田ひな（卓球）
2 位：張本美和（卓球）
3 位：池江璃花子（水泳＜競泳＞）
3 位：阿部詩（柔道）
3 位：北口榛花（陸上＜マラソン/駅伝以外＞）
Female athletes expected to excel next year
1: Hayata Hina (Table Tennis)
2: Harimoto Miwa (Table Tennis)
3: Ikee Rikako (Swimming <Competitive Swimming>)
3: Abe Uta (Judo)
3: Kitaguchi Haruka (Athletics <Marathon/except Ekiden>)
「親しみやすい」イメージの競技
1 位：プロ野球＜国内＞
2 位：野球＜日本代表＞
3 位：卓球
4 位：バレーボール＜国内＞
5 位：バレーボール＜日本代表＞
Sports with a friendly image
1: Pro baseball <domestic>
2: Baseball <Japanese national team>
3: Table Tennis
4: Volleyball <domestic>
4: Volleyball <Japanese national team>
「可愛い」
1 位：早田ひな（卓球）
2 位：北口榛花（陸上＜マラソン／駅伝以外＞）
3 位：吉沢恋（スケートボード）
4 位：阿部詩（柔道）
5 位：髙梨沙羅（スキー＜ジャンプ＞）
Kawai
1: Hayata Hina (Table Tennis)
2: Kitaguchi Haruka (Athletics <Marathon/except Ekiden>)
3: Yoshizawa Ren (Skateboarding)
4: Abe Uta (Judo)
5: Takanashi Sara (Ski <Jumping>)
「可愛い」イメージの競技
1 位：フィギュアスケート
2 位：女子ゴルフ
3 位：プロ野球＜国内＞
3 位：卓球
5 位：野球＜日本代表＞
5 位：バレーボール＜日本代表＞
5 位：スポーツクライミング
Sports with a Kawai image
1: Figure skating
2: Women's golf
3: Pro baseball <domestic>
3: Table Tennis
5: Baseball <Japanese national team>
5: Volleyball <Japanese national team>
5: Sports climbing
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ll-play-for-another-4-years.35128/post-496117
600 samples of men and women between 15-69 from 2024/11/29-12/02. So many of them actually expect Hayata to excel next year?
「今年活躍した」アスリートは大谷翔平、北口榛花、久保建英、早田ひな、
「来年活躍が期待できる」は大谷翔平、早田ひな、久保建英、張本美和が上位に
～「アスリートイメージ評価調査」2024年総括特別編～
https://www.hakuhodody-media.co.jp/newsrelease/report/20241220_36255.html
【今年活躍した女性アスリート】
1 位：北口榛花（陸上＜マラソン/駅伝以外＞）
2 位：早田ひな（卓球）
3 位：角田夏実（柔道）
4 位：阿部詩（柔道）
5 位：張本美和（卓球）
Female athletes expected to excel this year
1: Kitaguchi Haruka (Athletics <Marathon/except Ekiden>)
2: Hayata Hina (Table Tennis)
3: Tsunoda Natsumi (Judo)
4: Abe Uta (Judo)
5: Harimoto Miwa (Table Tennis)
【来年活躍が期待できる女性アスリート】
1 位：早田ひな（卓球）
2 位：張本美和（卓球）
3 位：池江璃花子（水泳＜競泳＞）
3 位：阿部詩（柔道）
3 位：北口榛花（陸上＜マラソン/駅伝以外＞）
Female athletes expected to excel next year
1: Hayata Hina (Table Tennis)
2: Harimoto Miwa (Table Tennis)
3: Ikee Rikako (Swimming <Competitive Swimming>)
3: Abe Uta (Judo)
3: Kitaguchi Haruka (Athletics <Marathon/except Ekiden>)
「親しみやすい」イメージの競技
1 位：プロ野球＜国内＞
2 位：野球＜日本代表＞
3 位：卓球
4 位：バレーボール＜国内＞
5 位：バレーボール＜日本代表＞
Sports with a friendly image
1: Pro baseball <domestic>
2: Baseball <Japanese national team>
3: Table Tennis
4: Volleyball <domestic>
4: Volleyball <Japanese national team>
「可愛い」
1 位：早田ひな（卓球）
2 位：北口榛花（陸上＜マラソン／駅伝以外＞）
3 位：吉沢恋（スケートボード）
4 位：阿部詩（柔道）
5 位：髙梨沙羅（スキー＜ジャンプ＞）
Kawai
1: Hayata Hina (Table Tennis)
2: Kitaguchi Haruka (Athletics <Marathon/except Ekiden>)
3: Yoshizawa Ren (Skateboarding)
4: Abe Uta (Judo)
5: Takanashi Sara (Ski <Jumping>)
「可愛い」イメージの競技
1 位：フィギュアスケート
2 位：女子ゴルフ
3 位：プロ野球＜国内＞
3 位：卓球
5 位：野球＜日本代表＞
5 位：バレーボール＜日本代表＞
5 位：スポーツクライミング
Sports with a Kawai image
1: Figure skating
2: Women's golf
3: Pro baseball <domestic>
3: Table Tennis
5: Baseball <Japanese national team>
5: Volleyball <Japanese national team>
5: Sports climbing
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ll-play-for-another-4-years.35128/post-496117
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As much as we joke about White Hair/WATANABE Takehiro being the mascot, the team under him has had the best results. Still, there is no denying that it's the culmination of efforts by all previous headcoaches/managers since 2001, namely MURAKAMI Yasukazu and Kazuhiro BABA Mika (HOSHINO Mika).
Yahoo News comments on Watanabe's news below. The hierachy of Japanese culture refuses to budge.
卓球女子日本代表の渡辺武弘監督が来年３月末で退任へ １０月アジア選手権で５０年ぶりに中国撃破
https://hochi.news/articles/20241223-OHT1T51189.html?page=1
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/17829caa1ff75222af48e69f6eb52e3f685f57ba
tpu********
16時間前
監督は選手の体調をどう見抜くかも重要な要素で成績を上げたい一心で選手を潰してしまう様な事は絶対あってはならない事です。
その点では渡辺監督は優れていました。
監督を去られても顧問などで介入出来ればと思ってます。日本女子卓球選手のレベルはかなり向上して来てますので、この後も更に上げ中国選手と対等なレベルに押し上げ更には追い越せるレベルまで育てられる監督を卓球ファンとしては期待しています。
(How a coach sees the physical condition of the players is also an important factor, and it is absolutely necessary to not crush the players in the desire to improve their performance.
In that respect, Coach Watanabe was excellent.
I hope that even if he leaves as coach, he can intervene as an advisor or something. The level of Japanese women's table tennis players has improved considerably, so as a table tennis fan, I hope that he will be able to raise it even further, push it to a level equal to Chinese players, and even surpass them.)
30 concur, 3 ic, 15 hmm
mar********
15時間前
現役時代も，中学，高校，大学，そして全日本でもシングルスのチャンピオンになられ，斎藤選手に比べ地味ではあったものの，確実にタイトルも取られ，ひたむきな姿勢は監督になってもそのままの印象でした。その功績は女子の活躍で証明されたと思います。区切りを付けるところも流石と思います。
次の監督は，渡辺監督の土台の上に更なる結果に繋がる手腕が求められることを意識して欲しい。その意味では難しさがありますが，スタッフの充実等も含めた協会のバックアップ体制が問われると思います。
(During his active career, he was the singles champion in junior high school, high school, university, and Zennihon. Although he was less impressive than Saito, he still won titles, and his single-minded attitude remained the same even after he became a coach. I think his achievements were proven by the success of the women's team. He was also impressive in putting an end to things.
I hope the next coach will be aware that he will be required to build on Coach Watanabe's foundation and achieve even greater results. In that sense, it will be difficult, but I think the association's backup system, including strengthening its staff, will be put to the test.)
22 concur, 1 ic, 7 hmm
dse********
19時間前
この方の残した実績は素晴らしい。何よりも、あの中国に勝ったと言う実績が素晴らしい。選手の力を見抜いての抜擢は、どの監督にも見られなかった。今までは、スポンサーに忖度して本当に強い実力のある選手を選ばなかったりとか、現在の実力で選ばずに過去の実績で選んだりすることを、この監督はしなかった。次の監督は元世界チャンピオンの丁寧さんを推したい。
(This person's achievements are amazing. Above all, the fact that they beat China is amazing. No other coach has been able to select players based on their abilities. Until now, this coach has not chosen players who are truly strong out of consideration for sponsors, or chosen players based on past performance rather than current ability. I would like to recommend former world champion Ding Ning as the next coach.)
78 concur, 13 ic, 36 hmm
mik********
17時間前
渡辺監督お疲れ様でした。
後任は、石田さんでしょうか？
名選手名監督にあらず、とも言われますので、選手時代の成績よりも、コーチングに優れた人を選んでもらえればいいと思います。
男子については、岸川さんだと思いましたが、天才肌の岸川さんの思い描くプレースタイルを選手が実践するのは難しい部分もありますね。
最近は張本選手のシングルスのベンチに田勢さんが入ることが多く、成績も伴っていることからも続投の可能性も出てきているような気がします。プライベートコーチとして帯同するということも考えられますが。
個人的には、水谷さんでは向いていない気もしています。
(Thank you for your hard work, Coach Watanabe.
I wonder if Ishida will be the successor?
It is said that a great player does not make a great coach, so I think it would be better to choose someone who is good at coaching rather than the performance of the player.
For the men's team, I thought it would be Kishikawa, but it is difficult for the players to put into practice the playing style envisioned by the genius Kishikawa.
Recently, Tasei-san has often been on Harimoto's singles bench, and with the results, I think there is a possibility that he will continue in his position. It is also possible that he will accompany him as a private coach.
Personally, I feel that Mizutani is not suitable.)
36 concur, 10 ic, 29 hmm
isi********
16時間前
控えめな監督というイメージだと思わるでしょうけど、対中国戦では必ず大胆な奇策を持って勝負へと挑んでいきました。それが実を結んだのがあのアジア選手権での中国戦でした。
この実績は、誰がなんと言おうと素晴らしい監督で間違いありません。お疲れ様でした。
(You may think he is a modest coach, but he always took on the challenge of a bold and unexpected strategy against China. This bore fruit in the match against China at the Asian Championships.
No matter what anyone says, this track record shows that he is a great coach. Thank you for your hard work.)
32 concur, 3 ic, 12 hmm
lot********
17時間前
渡辺さんご苦労様でした
TVなどではあまりコーチングが見られずに逆に批判が多かったと思いますが
私は今の選手にはこういった接し方が逆に良いと感じ見てました
選手の母体との連携や選手と試合以外での連携がうまくいかなければこれだけの実績が出せるはずはないと思います
中国の背後がやっと見えてきた今さらに別の形で頑張ってほしいと思います
(Thank you for your hard work, Watanabe-san
I think you've been criticized for not being able to see much coaching on TV, but
I think this way of interacting with today's players is actually good
I don't think you could have achieved such great results if you didn't work well with the players' organizations and outside of matches
Now that you can finally see China's back, I hope you'll work even harder in a different way)
35 concur, 3 ic, 12 hmm
usn********
16時間前
渡辺監督お疲れ様でした！
確かに就任当初は前面に出てくることがなく、母体任せすぎる印象もあったが、実際は表からは見えない部分で、マネジメント的な立ち位置で選手やそのチームが一番やりやすいような立ち回りを重視していたんだろうなと思う。
過去の一部の監督と違って、自分の考えを押し付けたり後から内情をベラベラ喋ったりするようなタイプにも見えないし、今の日本女子にはなんだかんだ合っていたような気もするね。
(Thank you for your hard work, Coach Watanabe!
It's true that when he first took over, he didn't come out in the forefront and left it too much to the parent organization, but in reality, I think he was in a management position that was invisible from the outside and placed emphasis on how to handle the players and their team in the most convenient way.
Unlike some past coaches, he doesn't seem like the type to impose his own ideas or talk about the internal situation later, and I feel like he was a good fit for the current Japan Women's team.)
23 concur, 1 ic, 10 hmm
jan********
20時間前
お疲れさまでした。良くも悪くも存在感が薄かった。女子選手は母体主体で動いているので、代表監督としての関わり方はこれくらいが丁度良いのかも知れないが、中国撃破を含めた日本女子チームの快進撃に関して、渡辺さんがどこまで寄与したのかよく分からないままだった。まあそれは良いとして、先日の混合W杯の代表選考に明確な基準がないまま、日本生命チームが選ばれたのは釈然としなかった。後から日本生命のTリーグの日程が変更されたが、他のチームの選手はTリーグを優先するために断ったとすれば浮かばれないな。
(Thank you for your hard work. For better or worse, your presence was weak. Since the female players are mainly run by the parent organization, this level of involvement as the national team coach may be just right, but it remains unclear how much Watanabe contributed to the success of the Japanese women's team, including their defeat of China. Well, that's fine, but I was not satisfied with the fact that the Nippon Life team was selected for the recent Mixed Team World Cup without any clear criteria. The schedule for Nippon Life's T League was later changed, but it would be a shame if players from other teams declined to prioritize the T League.)
25 concur, 7 ic, 57 hmm
rob********
20時間前
２月の世界選手権団体戦の際、マスコミがTV中継で伊藤の様子ばかりを頻繁に映し、その後しばらく「伊藤監督」と過剰に騒ぎ立てたことによって、伊藤は猛烈なバッシングを浴び、好感度を下げてしまった。
この「マスコミ報道の暴走行為」に対して、代表監督の立場から少しでもフォローの発言でもあれば、当時に叩いていた視聴者も「なるほど、そういうことだったのか」と認識を改め、伊藤も救われたかもしれない。
８月のパリ五輪団体戦では「重症の手負い」となっていた早田ひなを説得できずに出場させてしまい、結果的に早田は怪我をますます悪化させた。
早田がうっかり「特攻隊発言」をしてしまって騒がれても、その際のフォローは皆無。
また平野美宇は今年、３度の団体戦のすべてにおいて重要な活躍をして日本に貢献したが、代表監督なのにそれを評価するような発言も無く、結果として平野は過小評価されている。
総じて、残念な代表監督だった。
(During the World Team Championships in February, the media frequently showed Ito's condition on TV broadcasts, and after that, they made an excessive fuss about "Coach Ito" for a while, which led to Ito being heavily bashed and lowering her popularity.
If the national team coach had made some kind of follow-up statement about this "out-of-control media reporting," the viewers who were criticizing her at the time might have changed their perception and Ito might have been saved.
In the Paris Olympics team event in August, they were unable to persuade Hayata Hina, who was "seriously injured," and let her participate, which resulted in Hayata's injury becoming even worse.
Even when Hayata accidentally made a "kamikaze comment" and caused a fuss, there was no follow-up at the time.
Also, Hirano Miu played an important role in all three team competitions this year and contributed to Japan, but despite being the national team coach, there was no comment to praise her, and as a result, Hirano is underrated.
Overall, he was a disappointing national team coach.)
46 concur, 5 ic, 162 hmm
ngz
19時間前
世界団体戦の時の監督のありようは考えさせられる。
伊藤は、余り出番がなく、ベンチでの応援もやる気なし。かなりバッシングを受けたのか、終盤は、ゲームの合間、タイムアウトの時、監督をさし置いて興奮しながら執拗にアドバイスをしていた。張本は、落ち着けずにいた感じ。早田は、細かすぎて分からなかったと。このような選手の暴走を許し、選手に自由にさせ、自分は、アドバイス出来ずにいた。
選手掌握能力はなかったのだろう。
(The way the coach was during the World Team Championships makes you think.
Ito didn't get many chances to play, and she wasn't even motivated to cheer on from the bench. She must have been getting a lot of flak, because towards the end of the match, during breaks and timeouts, she was excited and persistently giving advice, ignoring the coach. Harimoto seemed restless. Hayata said she was too picky and didn't understand. He allowed the players to run wild like this, letting them do what they wanted, and he himself wasn't able to give them any advice.
He probably didn't have the ability to control the players.)
26 concur, 2 ic, 135 hmm
giu********
16時間前
渡辺監督解任にホッとです。このひとは監督には不向き。伊藤美誠を監督みたいにしゃべらせてはだめ。監督としての堂々とした態度であって欲しかった。的確なアドバイスてきるひとを期待します。
(I'm relieved that Coach Watanabe was fired. This person is not suitable to be a coach. Ito Mima should not be allowed to talk like a coach. I wanted him to have a dignified attitude as a coach. I hope for someone who can give accurate advice.)
29 concur, 67 hmm
ひろＰ
15時間前
渡辺監督、お疲れ様でした。
今後は打倒中国に向けて、日本人監督ではなく、中国から監督を招聘してはどうかと思ってます。
(Thank you for your hard work, Coach Watanabe.
In order to beat China in the future, I'm thinking about inviting a coach from China instead of a Japanese one.)
1 concur, 1 ic, 20 hmm
oaz********
18時間前
今回やれやれしました。解任ありがたいことです。しっかりした人が、女子監督さんになって欲しいです。卓球ファンよりやれやれです。
(I'm so relieved this time. I'm grateful for the dismissal. I hope a reliable person will become the women's coach. I'm more relieved than any table tennis fan.)
40 concur, 3 ic, 84 hmm
jhh********
21時間前
ほのぼのして好きでした。お疲れ様です
(It was heartwarming and I loved it. Thank you for your hard work.)
71 concur, 2 ic, 19 hmm
mas********
20時間前
いまは誰が監督しても銀メダルだし誰でもいい。
問題は男子だろう。
(It doesn't matter who the coach is now, as the team will win a silver medal.
The problem is the men's team.)
32 concur, 6 ic, 29 hmm
txu********
18時間前
一回水谷監督見たい。期待。
(I'd like to see Coach Mizutani at least once. Looking forward to it.)
4 concur, 1 ic, 33 hmm
wkt********
18時間前
中国人監督でいいと思います。
(I think a Chinese coach would be good.)
6 concur, 1 ic, 28 hmm
Yahoo News comments on Watanabe's news below. The hierachy of Japanese culture refuses to budge.
卓球女子日本代表の渡辺武弘監督が来年３月末で退任へ １０月アジア選手権で５０年ぶりに中国撃破
https://hochi.news/articles/20241223-OHT1T51189.html?page=1
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/17829caa1ff75222af48e69f6eb52e3f685f57ba
tpu********
16時間前
監督は選手の体調をどう見抜くかも重要な要素で成績を上げたい一心で選手を潰してしまう様な事は絶対あってはならない事です。
その点では渡辺監督は優れていました。
監督を去られても顧問などで介入出来ればと思ってます。日本女子卓球選手のレベルはかなり向上して来てますので、この後も更に上げ中国選手と対等なレベルに押し上げ更には追い越せるレベルまで育てられる監督を卓球ファンとしては期待しています。
(How a coach sees the physical condition of the players is also an important factor, and it is absolutely necessary to not crush the players in the desire to improve their performance.
In that respect, Coach Watanabe was excellent.
I hope that even if he leaves as coach, he can intervene as an advisor or something. The level of Japanese women's table tennis players has improved considerably, so as a table tennis fan, I hope that he will be able to raise it even further, push it to a level equal to Chinese players, and even surpass them.)
30 concur, 3 ic, 15 hmm
mar********
15時間前
現役時代も，中学，高校，大学，そして全日本でもシングルスのチャンピオンになられ，斎藤選手に比べ地味ではあったものの，確実にタイトルも取られ，ひたむきな姿勢は監督になってもそのままの印象でした。その功績は女子の活躍で証明されたと思います。区切りを付けるところも流石と思います。
次の監督は，渡辺監督の土台の上に更なる結果に繋がる手腕が求められることを意識して欲しい。その意味では難しさがありますが，スタッフの充実等も含めた協会のバックアップ体制が問われると思います。
(During his active career, he was the singles champion in junior high school, high school, university, and Zennihon. Although he was less impressive than Saito, he still won titles, and his single-minded attitude remained the same even after he became a coach. I think his achievements were proven by the success of the women's team. He was also impressive in putting an end to things.
I hope the next coach will be aware that he will be required to build on Coach Watanabe's foundation and achieve even greater results. In that sense, it will be difficult, but I think the association's backup system, including strengthening its staff, will be put to the test.)
22 concur, 1 ic, 7 hmm
dse********
19時間前
この方の残した実績は素晴らしい。何よりも、あの中国に勝ったと言う実績が素晴らしい。選手の力を見抜いての抜擢は、どの監督にも見られなかった。今までは、スポンサーに忖度して本当に強い実力のある選手を選ばなかったりとか、現在の実力で選ばずに過去の実績で選んだりすることを、この監督はしなかった。次の監督は元世界チャンピオンの丁寧さんを推したい。
(This person's achievements are amazing. Above all, the fact that they beat China is amazing. No other coach has been able to select players based on their abilities. Until now, this coach has not chosen players who are truly strong out of consideration for sponsors, or chosen players based on past performance rather than current ability. I would like to recommend former world champion Ding Ning as the next coach.)
78 concur, 13 ic, 36 hmm
mik********
17時間前
渡辺監督お疲れ様でした。
後任は、石田さんでしょうか？
名選手名監督にあらず、とも言われますので、選手時代の成績よりも、コーチングに優れた人を選んでもらえればいいと思います。
男子については、岸川さんだと思いましたが、天才肌の岸川さんの思い描くプレースタイルを選手が実践するのは難しい部分もありますね。
最近は張本選手のシングルスのベンチに田勢さんが入ることが多く、成績も伴っていることからも続投の可能性も出てきているような気がします。プライベートコーチとして帯同するということも考えられますが。
個人的には、水谷さんでは向いていない気もしています。
(Thank you for your hard work, Coach Watanabe.
I wonder if Ishida will be the successor?
It is said that a great player does not make a great coach, so I think it would be better to choose someone who is good at coaching rather than the performance of the player.
For the men's team, I thought it would be Kishikawa, but it is difficult for the players to put into practice the playing style envisioned by the genius Kishikawa.
Recently, Tasei-san has often been on Harimoto's singles bench, and with the results, I think there is a possibility that he will continue in his position. It is also possible that he will accompany him as a private coach.
Personally, I feel that Mizutani is not suitable.)
36 concur, 10 ic, 29 hmm
isi********
16時間前
控えめな監督というイメージだと思わるでしょうけど、対中国戦では必ず大胆な奇策を持って勝負へと挑んでいきました。それが実を結んだのがあのアジア選手権での中国戦でした。
この実績は、誰がなんと言おうと素晴らしい監督で間違いありません。お疲れ様でした。
(You may think he is a modest coach, but he always took on the challenge of a bold and unexpected strategy against China. This bore fruit in the match against China at the Asian Championships.
No matter what anyone says, this track record shows that he is a great coach. Thank you for your hard work.)
32 concur, 3 ic, 12 hmm
lot********
17時間前
渡辺さんご苦労様でした
TVなどではあまりコーチングが見られずに逆に批判が多かったと思いますが
私は今の選手にはこういった接し方が逆に良いと感じ見てました
選手の母体との連携や選手と試合以外での連携がうまくいかなければこれだけの実績が出せるはずはないと思います
中国の背後がやっと見えてきた今さらに別の形で頑張ってほしいと思います
(Thank you for your hard work, Watanabe-san
I think you've been criticized for not being able to see much coaching on TV, but
I think this way of interacting with today's players is actually good
I don't think you could have achieved such great results if you didn't work well with the players' organizations and outside of matches
Now that you can finally see China's back, I hope you'll work even harder in a different way)
35 concur, 3 ic, 12 hmm
usn********
16時間前
渡辺監督お疲れ様でした！
確かに就任当初は前面に出てくることがなく、母体任せすぎる印象もあったが、実際は表からは見えない部分で、マネジメント的な立ち位置で選手やそのチームが一番やりやすいような立ち回りを重視していたんだろうなと思う。
過去の一部の監督と違って、自分の考えを押し付けたり後から内情をベラベラ喋ったりするようなタイプにも見えないし、今の日本女子にはなんだかんだ合っていたような気もするね。
(Thank you for your hard work, Coach Watanabe!
It's true that when he first took over, he didn't come out in the forefront and left it too much to the parent organization, but in reality, I think he was in a management position that was invisible from the outside and placed emphasis on how to handle the players and their team in the most convenient way.
Unlike some past coaches, he doesn't seem like the type to impose his own ideas or talk about the internal situation later, and I feel like he was a good fit for the current Japan Women's team.)
23 concur, 1 ic, 10 hmm
jan********
20時間前
お疲れさまでした。良くも悪くも存在感が薄かった。女子選手は母体主体で動いているので、代表監督としての関わり方はこれくらいが丁度良いのかも知れないが、中国撃破を含めた日本女子チームの快進撃に関して、渡辺さんがどこまで寄与したのかよく分からないままだった。まあそれは良いとして、先日の混合W杯の代表選考に明確な基準がないまま、日本生命チームが選ばれたのは釈然としなかった。後から日本生命のTリーグの日程が変更されたが、他のチームの選手はTリーグを優先するために断ったとすれば浮かばれないな。
(Thank you for your hard work. For better or worse, your presence was weak. Since the female players are mainly run by the parent organization, this level of involvement as the national team coach may be just right, but it remains unclear how much Watanabe contributed to the success of the Japanese women's team, including their defeat of China. Well, that's fine, but I was not satisfied with the fact that the Nippon Life team was selected for the recent Mixed Team World Cup without any clear criteria. The schedule for Nippon Life's T League was later changed, but it would be a shame if players from other teams declined to prioritize the T League.)
25 concur, 7 ic, 57 hmm
rob********
20時間前
２月の世界選手権団体戦の際、マスコミがTV中継で伊藤の様子ばかりを頻繁に映し、その後しばらく「伊藤監督」と過剰に騒ぎ立てたことによって、伊藤は猛烈なバッシングを浴び、好感度を下げてしまった。
この「マスコミ報道の暴走行為」に対して、代表監督の立場から少しでもフォローの発言でもあれば、当時に叩いていた視聴者も「なるほど、そういうことだったのか」と認識を改め、伊藤も救われたかもしれない。
８月のパリ五輪団体戦では「重症の手負い」となっていた早田ひなを説得できずに出場させてしまい、結果的に早田は怪我をますます悪化させた。
早田がうっかり「特攻隊発言」をしてしまって騒がれても、その際のフォローは皆無。
また平野美宇は今年、３度の団体戦のすべてにおいて重要な活躍をして日本に貢献したが、代表監督なのにそれを評価するような発言も無く、結果として平野は過小評価されている。
総じて、残念な代表監督だった。
(During the World Team Championships in February, the media frequently showed Ito's condition on TV broadcasts, and after that, they made an excessive fuss about "Coach Ito" for a while, which led to Ito being heavily bashed and lowering her popularity.
If the national team coach had made some kind of follow-up statement about this "out-of-control media reporting," the viewers who were criticizing her at the time might have changed their perception and Ito might have been saved.
In the Paris Olympics team event in August, they were unable to persuade Hayata Hina, who was "seriously injured," and let her participate, which resulted in Hayata's injury becoming even worse.
Even when Hayata accidentally made a "kamikaze comment" and caused a fuss, there was no follow-up at the time.
Also, Hirano Miu played an important role in all three team competitions this year and contributed to Japan, but despite being the national team coach, there was no comment to praise her, and as a result, Hirano is underrated.
Overall, he was a disappointing national team coach.)
46 concur, 5 ic, 162 hmm
ngz
19時間前
世界団体戦の時の監督のありようは考えさせられる。
伊藤は、余り出番がなく、ベンチでの応援もやる気なし。かなりバッシングを受けたのか、終盤は、ゲームの合間、タイムアウトの時、監督をさし置いて興奮しながら執拗にアドバイスをしていた。張本は、落ち着けずにいた感じ。早田は、細かすぎて分からなかったと。このような選手の暴走を許し、選手に自由にさせ、自分は、アドバイス出来ずにいた。
選手掌握能力はなかったのだろう。
(The way the coach was during the World Team Championships makes you think.
Ito didn't get many chances to play, and she wasn't even motivated to cheer on from the bench. She must have been getting a lot of flak, because towards the end of the match, during breaks and timeouts, she was excited and persistently giving advice, ignoring the coach. Harimoto seemed restless. Hayata said she was too picky and didn't understand. He allowed the players to run wild like this, letting them do what they wanted, and he himself wasn't able to give them any advice.
He probably didn't have the ability to control the players.)
26 concur, 2 ic, 135 hmm
giu********
16時間前
渡辺監督解任にホッとです。このひとは監督には不向き。伊藤美誠を監督みたいにしゃべらせてはだめ。監督としての堂々とした態度であって欲しかった。的確なアドバイスてきるひとを期待します。
(I'm relieved that Coach Watanabe was fired. This person is not suitable to be a coach. Ito Mima should not be allowed to talk like a coach. I wanted him to have a dignified attitude as a coach. I hope for someone who can give accurate advice.)
29 concur, 67 hmm
ひろＰ
15時間前
渡辺監督、お疲れ様でした。
今後は打倒中国に向けて、日本人監督ではなく、中国から監督を招聘してはどうかと思ってます。
(Thank you for your hard work, Coach Watanabe.
In order to beat China in the future, I'm thinking about inviting a coach from China instead of a Japanese one.)
1 concur, 1 ic, 20 hmm
oaz********
18時間前
今回やれやれしました。解任ありがたいことです。しっかりした人が、女子監督さんになって欲しいです。卓球ファンよりやれやれです。
(I'm so relieved this time. I'm grateful for the dismissal. I hope a reliable person will become the women's coach. I'm more relieved than any table tennis fan.)
40 concur, 3 ic, 84 hmm
jhh********
21時間前
ほのぼのして好きでした。お疲れ様です
(It was heartwarming and I loved it. Thank you for your hard work.)
71 concur, 2 ic, 19 hmm
mas********
20時間前
いまは誰が監督しても銀メダルだし誰でもいい。
問題は男子だろう。
(It doesn't matter who the coach is now, as the team will win a silver medal.
The problem is the men's team.)
32 concur, 6 ic, 29 hmm
txu********
18時間前
一回水谷監督見たい。期待。
(I'd like to see Coach Mizutani at least once. Looking forward to it.)
4 concur, 1 ic, 33 hmm
wkt********
18時間前
中国人監督でいいと思います。
(I think a Chinese coach would be good.)
6 concur, 1 ic, 28 hmm
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本世纪有哪些人一单砍了国乒两分？ (Who in this century has scored two points against the CNT as the 1st singles player?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9344133833
樊振东（剑指多哈版） 2000年吉隆坡世锦赛佩尔森，赢刘国梁孔令辉（丢冠）
2010年莫斯科世锦赛冯天薇，赢丁宁刘诗雯（丢冠）
2022年成都世锦赛张本智和，赢王楚钦樊振东，
2024年阿斯塔纳亚锦赛张本美和，赢了王艺迪孙颖莎（丢冠）
除了四个人以外还有人吗？
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端1楼2024-12-19 19:01回复
WTTC 2000 Kuala Lumpur Persson, defeated Liu Guoliang and Kong Linghui (lost the title)
WTTC 2010 Moscow Feng Tianwei, defeated Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen (lost the title)
WTTC 2022 Chengdu Harimoto Tomokazu, defeated Wang Chuqin and Fan Zhendong
ATTC 2024 Astana Harimoto Miwa, defeated Wang Yidi and Sun Yingsha (lost the title)
Are there any others besides these four?
大夫带刀 2005年亚锦赛女团半决赛，韩国金景娥赢了郭跃和牛剑锋，帮助韩国队获胜。
IP属地:安徽来自Android客户端2楼2024-12-19 19:15收起回复
(ATTC 2005 WT SF, KOR's Kim Kyungah beat Guo Yue and Niu Jianfeng to help KOR win.)
贴吧用户_78QDMUM 这么看纸盒太惨了。。。。。。
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端4楼2024-12-19 19:20收起回复
(Then Carton [Harimoto] is too miserable)
uk2rb 张本智和世锦半决赛一单俩分还只拿了团体铜
IP属地:湖北来自Android客户端5楼2024-12-19 19:23收起回复
(Harimoto Tomokazu scored two points as the 1st singles player in WTTC SF and still only won the team bronze)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 没有好的队友只能这样了
2024-12-19 19:25回复
(Without good teammates, there is nothing you can do)
日熹升耀东隅清 纸盒的队友也太fw
IP属地:北京来自Android客户端6楼2024-12-19 19:29回复
(Carton's teammates are too useless)
念北楼 你这不列出来还好，真是倒霉老盒
IP属地:湖南来自iPhone客户端8楼2024-12-19 19:40收起回复
(It would be better if you didn't list it. What poor luck for Old Carton)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 老盒除了世界杯以外，哪里运气都一般
2024-12-19 19:44回复
(Apart from the World Cup, Old Carton has average luck everywhere else)
慢嗨梁祝 老盒太惨了
IP属地:河北来自Android客户端11楼2024-12-19 20:31回复
(Old Carton is too miserable)
贴吧用户_JQKW4ZR 平野美宇真团体战神
IP属地:福建来自Android客户端13楼2024-12-19 21:02收起回复
(Hirano Miu true team God of War)
nbcs_ykh: 个人虫团体龙
2024-12-19 21:06回复
(Worm in individual and dragon in team)
贴吧用户_JQKW4ZR: 回复 nbcs_ykh :基本每次团体赛都能凑分亚锦赛爆种赢了自己从没赢过的人太可怕了
2024-12-19 21:14回复
(She basically managed to get a point in every team event. Exploded in the ATTC and beat someone she had never beaten before. Too scary)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 稳定提供一分了
2024-12-19 21:43回复
(Consistently getting one point)
墨纸1808: 平野美宇我的女神
2024-12-19 21:55回复
(Hirano Miu my goddess)
蓂白: 三单战神平野美宇
2024-12-20 16:17回复
(Hirano Miu the 3rd singles God of War)
aleenxuyi: 回复 贴吧用户_JQKW4ZR :其实美和之前也没赢过孙颖莎，鬼子女队是真的有团魂的
2024-12-22 17:10回复
(In fact, Miwa had never beaten SYS before. The Japanese women's team really has team spirit)
贴吧用户_JQKW4ZR: 回复 aleenxuyi :确实是
2024-12-22 17:36回复
(Indeed)
林诗栋(不mo版) 本子真是倒了血霉
IP属地:宁夏来自iPhone客户端14楼2024-12-19 21:08回复
(JPN is truly poor in luck)
norn林 看到主楼有点想知道，牢盒和牢云谁的队友更废毕竟法瑞之类的除开一哥其他人也不错，韩男总体比较平均，本子和台北团体那真是靠一哥砍两分才有希望（现在还是想不通亚锦赛台北怎么进决赛的，以及筐子是怎么输给黄彦城）
IP属地:四川来自Android客户端16楼2024-12-22 17:56收起回复
(After seeing the OP's post, I wondered, who has worse teammates, Old Carton or Old Yun? After all, except for the first brother, the others like FRA and SWE are pretty good, and the KOR men are generally more balanced. For teams, JPN and TPE really rely on the first brother to score two points to have hope (I still can't figure out how TPE made it to the final of ATTC, and how the Bin [LJK] lost to Huang Yan-Cheng))
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 是的，瑞典的安东卡尔森法尔克，法国的大勒西蒙，都还是有希望拿一分，但户上，指望不了一点
2024-12-22 17:59回复
(Yes, Anton, Karlsson, Falck of SWE, Big Le and Simon of FRA still have a chance to get a point, but you can't count on Togami)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 台林的队友更废吧！至少从排名来看，前三十台北只有林和高，日本多一个，松岛排名也差不多在三十
2024-12-22 18:02回复
(Tai Lin's teammates are even more trash! At least judging from the ranking, for TPE only Lin and Kao are in the top 30, JPN has one more, and Matsushima is also ranked around 30.)
Neotrogla: 亚锦台湾靠签位啊，日韩中都在一个半区，台湾自己一个半区，这还打不出来就奇怪了。再追溯一下为什么能有这个签位，因为台湾是上届银牌，为什么上届台湾能银牌，因为上届日本第一轮就碰了中国这就是一个死循环，签位差拿不到银牌导致签位更差继续拿不到牌
2024-12-22 22:50回复
(Taiwan depended on the draw at ATTC. JPN, KOR and CHN were all in the same half of the draw, and Taiwan was in the other half of the draw. It'd have been strange if they didn't make it out. If we trace a little further as to why the draw was like this, it's because Taiwan won the silver medal in the last edition. Why did Taiwan win the silver medal last time? Because JPN played against CHN in the first round of the last edition and it became a vicious circle. The poor draw made it impossible to get a silver medal, which led to a worse draw and continued failure to get a medal)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 回复 Neotrogla :哈哈哈
2024-12-22 23:03回复
(Hahaha)
吞石铁吐泥沙: 回复 Neotrogla :釜山世锦赛邱党带队输台北，那次台北名次也很高吧、、一次打好次次都有了
2024-12-22 23:12回复
(In WTTC Busan, Qiu Dang led the team and lost to TPE. TPE was ranked very high that time. One good performance has led to another ever since)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9344133833
樊振东（剑指多哈版） 2000年吉隆坡世锦赛佩尔森，赢刘国梁孔令辉（丢冠）
2010年莫斯科世锦赛冯天薇，赢丁宁刘诗雯（丢冠）
2022年成都世锦赛张本智和，赢王楚钦樊振东，
2024年阿斯塔纳亚锦赛张本美和，赢了王艺迪孙颖莎（丢冠）
除了四个人以外还有人吗？
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端1楼2024-12-19 19:01回复
WTTC 2000 Kuala Lumpur Persson, defeated Liu Guoliang and Kong Linghui (lost the title)
WTTC 2010 Moscow Feng Tianwei, defeated Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen (lost the title)
WTTC 2022 Chengdu Harimoto Tomokazu, defeated Wang Chuqin and Fan Zhendong
ATTC 2024 Astana Harimoto Miwa, defeated Wang Yidi and Sun Yingsha (lost the title)
Are there any others besides these four?
大夫带刀 2005年亚锦赛女团半决赛，韩国金景娥赢了郭跃和牛剑锋，帮助韩国队获胜。
IP属地:安徽来自Android客户端2楼2024-12-19 19:15收起回复
(ATTC 2005 WT SF, KOR's Kim Kyungah beat Guo Yue and Niu Jianfeng to help KOR win.)
贴吧用户_78QDMUM 这么看纸盒太惨了。。。。。。
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端4楼2024-12-19 19:20收起回复
(Then Carton [Harimoto] is too miserable)
uk2rb 张本智和世锦半决赛一单俩分还只拿了团体铜
IP属地:湖北来自Android客户端5楼2024-12-19 19:23收起回复
(Harimoto Tomokazu scored two points as the 1st singles player in WTTC SF and still only won the team bronze)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 没有好的队友只能这样了
2024-12-19 19:25回复
(Without good teammates, there is nothing you can do)
日熹升耀东隅清 纸盒的队友也太fw
IP属地:北京来自Android客户端6楼2024-12-19 19:29回复
(Carton's teammates are too useless)
念北楼 你这不列出来还好，真是倒霉老盒
IP属地:湖南来自iPhone客户端8楼2024-12-19 19:40收起回复
(It would be better if you didn't list it. What poor luck for Old Carton)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 老盒除了世界杯以外，哪里运气都一般
2024-12-19 19:44回复
(Apart from the World Cup, Old Carton has average luck everywhere else)
慢嗨梁祝 老盒太惨了
IP属地:河北来自Android客户端11楼2024-12-19 20:31回复
(Old Carton is too miserable)
贴吧用户_JQKW4ZR 平野美宇真团体战神
IP属地:福建来自Android客户端13楼2024-12-19 21:02收起回复
(Hirano Miu true team God of War)
nbcs_ykh: 个人虫团体龙
2024-12-19 21:06回复
(Worm in individual and dragon in team)
贴吧用户_JQKW4ZR: 回复 nbcs_ykh :基本每次团体赛都能凑分亚锦赛爆种赢了自己从没赢过的人太可怕了
2024-12-19 21:14回复
(She basically managed to get a point in every team event. Exploded in the ATTC and beat someone she had never beaten before. Too scary)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 稳定提供一分了
2024-12-19 21:43回复
(Consistently getting one point)
墨纸1808: 平野美宇我的女神
2024-12-19 21:55回复
(Hirano Miu my goddess)
蓂白: 三单战神平野美宇
2024-12-20 16:17回复
(Hirano Miu the 3rd singles God of War)
aleenxuyi: 回复 贴吧用户_JQKW4ZR :其实美和之前也没赢过孙颖莎，鬼子女队是真的有团魂的
2024-12-22 17:10回复
(In fact, Miwa had never beaten SYS before. The Japanese women's team really has team spirit)
贴吧用户_JQKW4ZR: 回复 aleenxuyi :确实是
2024-12-22 17:36回复
(Indeed)
林诗栋(不mo版) 本子真是倒了血霉
IP属地:宁夏来自iPhone客户端14楼2024-12-19 21:08回复
(JPN is truly poor in luck)
norn林 看到主楼有点想知道，牢盒和牢云谁的队友更废毕竟法瑞之类的除开一哥其他人也不错，韩男总体比较平均，本子和台北团体那真是靠一哥砍两分才有希望（现在还是想不通亚锦赛台北怎么进决赛的，以及筐子是怎么输给黄彦城）
IP属地:四川来自Android客户端16楼2024-12-22 17:56收起回复
(After seeing the OP's post, I wondered, who has worse teammates, Old Carton or Old Yun? After all, except for the first brother, the others like FRA and SWE are pretty good, and the KOR men are generally more balanced. For teams, JPN and TPE really rely on the first brother to score two points to have hope (I still can't figure out how TPE made it to the final of ATTC, and how the Bin [LJK] lost to Huang Yan-Cheng))
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 是的，瑞典的安东卡尔森法尔克，法国的大勒西蒙，都还是有希望拿一分，但户上，指望不了一点
2024-12-22 17:59回复
(Yes, Anton, Karlsson, Falck of SWE, Big Le and Simon of FRA still have a chance to get a point, but you can't count on Togami)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 台林的队友更废吧！至少从排名来看，前三十台北只有林和高，日本多一个，松岛排名也差不多在三十
2024-12-22 18:02回复
(Tai Lin's teammates are even more trash! At least judging from the ranking, for TPE only Lin and Kao are in the top 30, JPN has one more, and Matsushima is also ranked around 30.)
Neotrogla: 亚锦台湾靠签位啊，日韩中都在一个半区，台湾自己一个半区，这还打不出来就奇怪了。再追溯一下为什么能有这个签位，因为台湾是上届银牌，为什么上届台湾能银牌，因为上届日本第一轮就碰了中国这就是一个死循环，签位差拿不到银牌导致签位更差继续拿不到牌
2024-12-22 22:50回复
(Taiwan depended on the draw at ATTC. JPN, KOR and CHN were all in the same half of the draw, and Taiwan was in the other half of the draw. It'd have been strange if they didn't make it out. If we trace a little further as to why the draw was like this, it's because Taiwan won the silver medal in the last edition. Why did Taiwan win the silver medal last time? Because JPN played against CHN in the first round of the last edition and it became a vicious circle. The poor draw made it impossible to get a silver medal, which led to a worse draw and continued failure to get a medal)
樊振东（剑指多哈版）: 回复 Neotrogla :哈哈哈
2024-12-22 23:03回复
(Hahaha)
吞石铁吐泥沙: 回复 Neotrogla :釜山世锦赛邱党带队输台北，那次台北名次也很高吧、、一次打好次次都有了
2024-12-22 23:12回复
(In WTTC Busan, Qiu Dang led the team and lost to TPE. TPE was ranked very high that time. One good performance has led to another ever since)
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When was the last time Hayata lost in WD at home? Doesn't bode well for WTT SCT Doha 2025 and Zennihon Takkyu 2025.
From the clip, she is not as afraid of swinging the BH and can open up with chiquita now.
試合結果（2024年12月26日） | 2024-2025シーズン 日程・結果
https://tleague.jp/schedule/detail.php?id=829
日本生命レッドエルフ vs 九州アスティーダ ノジマTリーグ2024-2025 2024年12月26日(木) 貝塚コスモスシアター【卓球 Tリーグ公式】
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpx2KK9RT8I
From the clip, she is not as afraid of swinging the BH and can open up with chiquita now.
試合結果（2024年12月26日） | 2024-2025シーズン 日程・結果
https://tleague.jp/schedule/detail.php?id=829
日本生命レッドエルフ vs 九州アスティーダ ノジマTリーグ2024-2025 2024年12月26日(木) 貝塚コスモスシアター【卓球 Tリーグ公式】
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpx2KK9RT8I
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Tieba comments 2 days after end of ATTC 2024. For future reference.
日本近五次团体赛决赛出场人员 (Playing members for JPN in the last 5 team finals)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9220718926
木原美悠0803 无人在意的角落 平野美宇竟然是唯一全勤，五次出场釜山和刚刚过去的哈萨克斯坦都为日本砍下一分，将中国逼入绝境，最强的团体赛三单战神，2024世锦赛和2024亚锦赛均保持团体赛全胜战绩。
IP属地:浙江来自iPhone客户端1楼2024-10-15 13:07回复
(Hirano Miu was the only one who participated in all the matches. She scored a point for JPN in all 5 appearances, in Busan and the just-concluded [ATTC in] Kazakhstan, forcing CHN into a desperate situation. She is the strongest 3rd singles God of War in the team event and maintained an undefeated record in the team competitions at both the WTTC 2024 and the ATTC 2024.
)
世界终结前dhvsb 你以为呢，天才少女被研究透了也是天才少女
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端2楼2024-10-15 14:11回复
(What do you think? Girl prodigy is still girl prodigy even if she is thoroughly studied)
江南皮革厂倒闭了。 天才少女是真天才少女
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端5楼2024-10-15 15:00收起回复
(Girl prodigy is true girl prodigy)
木原美悠0803: 从2017年一串三之后 被国乒研究经历连败 2023年开始重新开始赢国家队主力 算次数 2023年之后赢了4次 很可怕的真天才少女
2024-10-15 15:24回复
(After that 1-on-3 in 2017, she was studied by the CNT and went through a losing streak. She started to win against the core CNT players again in 2023. Doing a count, she has won 4 times since 2023. A terrifying true girl prodigy)
贴吧用户_5K614K1 平野上限高下限低，而且下限一般不出现在团体赛，挺好的
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端8楼2024-10-16 09:57收起回复
(Hirano has a high upper limit and a low lower limit, and the lower limit generally does not appear in team events, which is quite good)
贴吧用户_GyQJWaR: 团体赛比单打压力大，平野心态比较好。
2024-10-18 03:09回复
(The team event is more stressful than the singles, so Hirano has a better mentality)
紫无悔 不是，你们真的就不看球吗？现役女子运动员，除了中国队之外，还是有两个世界冠军的，一个叫伊藤美诚，一个叫平野美宇…
早田希娜这么强，也没有一个世界冠军的头衔
现役女子运动员，论巅峰的能力排第一的肯定是陈梦，唯一能跟陈梦掰手腕的，不是莎莎，而是当年的平野美宇…
虽然伊藤美诚也有过一穿三和多次战胜中国队员的经历，但我之前也发过伊藤美诚更像是一个刺客，当你的走位防着她的时候，她的功效就大打折扣了…平野美宇更像是一个战士，根本不管你是谁，上来就是一套comble…只能说她现在的出拳力度弱了很多了，只能赢一下王艺迪，陈幸同这种中国队的4、5号人物了
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端9楼2024-10-16 12:53收起回复
(No, do you folks really not watch table tennis? Among the active female athletes, in addition to the CNT, there are still 2 World Champions, one is Ito Mima, and the other is Hirano Miu...
Hayata Hina is so strong, yet she doesn't have a World Title
Among the active female athletes, Chen Meng is definitely the first in terms of peak ability. The only one who can compete with Chen Meng is not Shasha, but Hirano Miu back then...
Although Ito Mima has also had the experience of 1-on-3 and defeating CNT players many times, I have also posted before that Ito Mima is more like an assassin. When you move to defend against her, her effectiveness is greatly reduced... Hirano Miu is more like a warrior. No matter who you are, she will come up with a combo on the get-go... I can only say that her punching power is much weaker now, and she can only beat Wang Yidi, Chen Xingtong, the 4th and 5th players of the CNT)
紫无悔: 当年看过现场，对他的出球质量真的感到绝望，感觉丁宁，陈梦，朱雨玲都是在苦苦抵挡，根本对不上…
2024-10-16 12:54回复
(I watched her live back then, and I felt hopeless with the quality of her shots. It felt like Ding Ning, Chen Meng, and Zhu Yuling were all struggling to defend and couldn't match her at all...)
G6kb84: 伊藤平野不要同等化，伊藤美诚是奥运冠军，平野美宇是世界杯冠军
2024-10-17 01:05回复
(Don't equate Ito and Hirano. Ito Mima is an Olympic Champion, and Hirano Miu is a World Cup Champion)
璎遥: 回复 G6kb84 :+1，单打冠军和其它还是有壁的，不然骰子也可以上天了
2024-10-18 01:45回复
(+1, there is still a wall between the singles champion and the others, otherwise Dice can also get up to the sky)
韩颢鸟: 回复 G6kb84 :确实不能等同，平野美宇是单打冠军，伊藤美诚只是双打，还是依靠男运动员为主的混双
2024-10-18 03:18回复
(They are indeed not the same. Hirano Miu is a singles champion, while Ito Mima is only a doubles champion, and on top of that a XD that relies mainly on the male athlete)
运球帝 我认为平野确实还是目前日本的第三号人物
IP属地:广东10楼2024-10-16 13:03收起回复
(I think Hirano is still the 3rd most important figure for JPN)
EnerosF: 尤其团体，真的很安心很能拼，被国乒研究过之后还能起来的都不是一般人
2024-10-17 00:18回复
(Especially in teams, she is really reassuring and can fight hard. Those who can get back up after being studied by the CNT are no ordinary people)
Blondeee 平野在团体赛里面很靠谱，是安心的存在，而且女团可用的人太多了，所以日女团很多时候都能变阵
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端12楼2024-10-17 00:08回复
(Hirano is very reliable in team events and is a reassuring presence. In addition, there are too many people available in WT, so the Japanese WT can often change the lineup)
诗酒花🌷 平野打团体好像额外增加30%伤害一样 她是我感觉外协里最团体龙的一个人 一开团就发疯
IP属地:天津来自iPhone客户端14楼2024-10-17 00:24收起回复
(It seems like Hirano gets an extra 30% damage when playing in teams. She is the most "dragon in team" among foreign players in my opinion. She goes crazy when playing as a team)
木原美悠0803: 平野这个人你还完全看不透她什么时候打好了什么时候又不行了
2024-10-17 09:20回复
(You can't really tell when Hirano plays well and when she does not)
贴吧用户_J5UVV1R 早田有伤难说，平野和伊藤的身体保养的好啊，后面如果没有别的小将上来那就是张本美和、平野美宇、伊藤美诚3大主力，木原、长崎、大藤次主力，她们这代再干两届奥运会都没问题。
IP属地:贵州来自Android客户端16楼2024-10-18 01:27回复
(It's hard to assess Hayata with her injury, but Hirano and Ito have been taking good care of their physical condition. If there are no other young players coming up, the 3 main players will be Harimoto Miwa, Hirano Miu, and Ito Mima. Kihara, Nagasaki, and Odo will be the alternate players. Their generation will have no problem participating in two more Olympic Games.)
改掉常用了 平野本来就对国乒人来疯还有团赛buff 去年亚运真是给我吓得不轻
IP属地:上海来自Android客户端17楼2024-10-18 03:06收起回复
(Hirano always goes crazy against the CNT and gets a buff in team events. Gave me a good scare at the Asian Games last year)
木原美悠0803: 亚运她上一场输给田志希我还说平野这次状态很差 然后决赛就给我吓个半死
2024-10-18 17:07回复
(In the Asian Games, after losing to JJH in the SF, I said that Hirano's form was very poor this time, and then she scared me to death in the F)
贴吧用户_7bPtWWK 虽然小平野单打不知道什么时候会游走，但是团体是真的很顽强
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端18楼2024-10-29 00:40回复
(Although you won't know when Little Hirano will exit in singles, she is really tenacious in teams)
超级全满贯 平野团体赛确实稳
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端20楼2024-10-29 03:06回复
(Hirano is really consistent in team events)
日本近五次团体赛决赛出场人员 (Playing members for JPN in the last 5 team finals)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9220718926
木原美悠0803 无人在意的角落 平野美宇竟然是唯一全勤，五次出场釜山和刚刚过去的哈萨克斯坦都为日本砍下一分，将中国逼入绝境，最强的团体赛三单战神，2024世锦赛和2024亚锦赛均保持团体赛全胜战绩。
IP属地:浙江来自iPhone客户端1楼2024-10-15 13:07回复
(Hirano Miu was the only one who participated in all the matches. She scored a point for JPN in all 5 appearances, in Busan and the just-concluded [ATTC in] Kazakhstan, forcing CHN into a desperate situation. She is the strongest 3rd singles God of War in the team event and maintained an undefeated record in the team competitions at both the WTTC 2024 and the ATTC 2024.
| Event | 1stsingles | 2ndsingles | 3rdsingles |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2023ATTC | HayataHina | HiranoMiu | ItoMima |
| 2023AG | HayataHina | HiranoMiu | HarimotoMiwa |
| 2024WTTC | HayataHina | HarimotoMiwa | HiranoMiu |
| 2024OG | HiranoMiu | HayataHina | HarimotoMiwa |
| 2024ATTC | HarimotoMiwa | ItoMima | HiranoMiu |
世界终结前dhvsb 你以为呢，天才少女被研究透了也是天才少女
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端2楼2024-10-15 14:11回复
(What do you think? Girl prodigy is still girl prodigy even if she is thoroughly studied)
江南皮革厂倒闭了。 天才少女是真天才少女
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端5楼2024-10-15 15:00收起回复
(Girl prodigy is true girl prodigy)
木原美悠0803: 从2017年一串三之后 被国乒研究经历连败 2023年开始重新开始赢国家队主力 算次数 2023年之后赢了4次 很可怕的真天才少女
2024-10-15 15:24回复
(After that 1-on-3 in 2017, she was studied by the CNT and went through a losing streak. She started to win against the core CNT players again in 2023. Doing a count, she has won 4 times since 2023. A terrifying true girl prodigy)
贴吧用户_5K614K1 平野上限高下限低，而且下限一般不出现在团体赛，挺好的
IP属地:北京来自iPhone客户端8楼2024-10-16 09:57收起回复
(Hirano has a high upper limit and a low lower limit, and the lower limit generally does not appear in team events, which is quite good)
贴吧用户_GyQJWaR: 团体赛比单打压力大，平野心态比较好。
2024-10-18 03:09回复
(The team event is more stressful than the singles, so Hirano has a better mentality)
紫无悔 不是，你们真的就不看球吗？现役女子运动员，除了中国队之外，还是有两个世界冠军的，一个叫伊藤美诚，一个叫平野美宇…
早田希娜这么强，也没有一个世界冠军的头衔
现役女子运动员，论巅峰的能力排第一的肯定是陈梦，唯一能跟陈梦掰手腕的，不是莎莎，而是当年的平野美宇…
虽然伊藤美诚也有过一穿三和多次战胜中国队员的经历，但我之前也发过伊藤美诚更像是一个刺客，当你的走位防着她的时候，她的功效就大打折扣了…平野美宇更像是一个战士，根本不管你是谁，上来就是一套comble…只能说她现在的出拳力度弱了很多了，只能赢一下王艺迪，陈幸同这种中国队的4、5号人物了
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端9楼2024-10-16 12:53收起回复
(No, do you folks really not watch table tennis? Among the active female athletes, in addition to the CNT, there are still 2 World Champions, one is Ito Mima, and the other is Hirano Miu...
Hayata Hina is so strong, yet she doesn't have a World Title
Among the active female athletes, Chen Meng is definitely the first in terms of peak ability. The only one who can compete with Chen Meng is not Shasha, but Hirano Miu back then...
Although Ito Mima has also had the experience of 1-on-3 and defeating CNT players many times, I have also posted before that Ito Mima is more like an assassin. When you move to defend against her, her effectiveness is greatly reduced... Hirano Miu is more like a warrior. No matter who you are, she will come up with a combo on the get-go... I can only say that her punching power is much weaker now, and she can only beat Wang Yidi, Chen Xingtong, the 4th and 5th players of the CNT)
紫无悔: 当年看过现场，对他的出球质量真的感到绝望，感觉丁宁，陈梦，朱雨玲都是在苦苦抵挡，根本对不上…
2024-10-16 12:54回复
(I watched her live back then, and I felt hopeless with the quality of her shots. It felt like Ding Ning, Chen Meng, and Zhu Yuling were all struggling to defend and couldn't match her at all...)
G6kb84: 伊藤平野不要同等化，伊藤美诚是奥运冠军，平野美宇是世界杯冠军
2024-10-17 01:05回复
(Don't equate Ito and Hirano. Ito Mima is an Olympic Champion, and Hirano Miu is a World Cup Champion)
璎遥: 回复 G6kb84 :+1，单打冠军和其它还是有壁的，不然骰子也可以上天了
2024-10-18 01:45回复
(+1, there is still a wall between the singles champion and the others, otherwise Dice can also get up to the sky)
韩颢鸟: 回复 G6kb84 :确实不能等同，平野美宇是单打冠军，伊藤美诚只是双打，还是依靠男运动员为主的混双
2024-10-18 03:18回复
(They are indeed not the same. Hirano Miu is a singles champion, while Ito Mima is only a doubles champion, and on top of that a XD that relies mainly on the male athlete)
运球帝 我认为平野确实还是目前日本的第三号人物
IP属地:广东10楼2024-10-16 13:03收起回复
(I think Hirano is still the 3rd most important figure for JPN)
EnerosF: 尤其团体，真的很安心很能拼，被国乒研究过之后还能起来的都不是一般人
2024-10-17 00:18回复
(Especially in teams, she is really reassuring and can fight hard. Those who can get back up after being studied by the CNT are no ordinary people)
Blondeee 平野在团体赛里面很靠谱，是安心的存在，而且女团可用的人太多了，所以日女团很多时候都能变阵
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端12楼2024-10-17 00:08回复
(Hirano is very reliable in team events and is a reassuring presence. In addition, there are too many people available in WT, so the Japanese WT can often change the lineup)
诗酒花🌷 平野打团体好像额外增加30%伤害一样 她是我感觉外协里最团体龙的一个人 一开团就发疯
IP属地:天津来自iPhone客户端14楼2024-10-17 00:24收起回复
(It seems like Hirano gets an extra 30% damage when playing in teams. She is the most "dragon in team" among foreign players in my opinion. She goes crazy when playing as a team)
木原美悠0803: 平野这个人你还完全看不透她什么时候打好了什么时候又不行了
2024-10-17 09:20回复
(You can't really tell when Hirano plays well and when she does not)
贴吧用户_J5UVV1R 早田有伤难说，平野和伊藤的身体保养的好啊，后面如果没有别的小将上来那就是张本美和、平野美宇、伊藤美诚3大主力，木原、长崎、大藤次主力，她们这代再干两届奥运会都没问题。
IP属地:贵州来自Android客户端16楼2024-10-18 01:27回复
(It's hard to assess Hayata with her injury, but Hirano and Ito have been taking good care of their physical condition. If there are no other young players coming up, the 3 main players will be Harimoto Miwa, Hirano Miu, and Ito Mima. Kihara, Nagasaki, and Odo will be the alternate players. Their generation will have no problem participating in two more Olympic Games.)
改掉常用了 平野本来就对国乒人来疯还有团赛buff 去年亚运真是给我吓得不轻
IP属地:上海来自Android客户端17楼2024-10-18 03:06收起回复
(Hirano always goes crazy against the CNT and gets a buff in team events. Gave me a good scare at the Asian Games last year)
木原美悠0803: 亚运她上一场输给田志希我还说平野这次状态很差 然后决赛就给我吓个半死
2024-10-18 17:07回复
(In the Asian Games, after losing to JJH in the SF, I said that Hirano's form was very poor this time, and then she scared me to death in the F)
贴吧用户_7bPtWWK 虽然小平野单打不知道什么时候会游走，但是团体是真的很顽强
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端18楼2024-10-29 00:40回复
(Although you won't know when Little Hirano will exit in singles, she is really tenacious in teams)
超级全满贯 平野团体赛确实稳
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端20楼2024-10-29 03:06回复
(Hirano is really consistent in team events)
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