Ito: I'm not sure I will play for another 4 years

[pongfugrasshopper]

The last time dates back to the 2022-2023 season.

ひな Hayata | ノジマＴリーグ2022-2023シーズン personal スタッツ
https://tleague.jp/ranking/player.php?player=30018&year=2022

Not a big deal. She played 2 doubles matches last season. I'm just glad she's back in the league and capable of doing a BH banana flick pain free:

 

[zeio]

It's actually more worrying than it looks as it indicates she can't even handle WD now.

After Tokyo 2020, Ito gave up on XD to focus on WS and WD, only to hit a wall in both and quickly realized she needed XD to stay relevant, then "stole" Kihara's partner Uda but after hitting another wall (losing twice against Harimoto/Hayata in 2022) she turned back to WS and WD again, only to give up on WD after getting creamed one last time at WTTC 2023 and made the worst decision of ditching Matsuzaki officially near the end of 2023, ultimately shutting herself out of Paris 2024.

Hayata is at a crossroads here not unlike Ito was. She is dealing with a playing arm that will likely never fully recover and a style that needs an overhaul, and on top of that without a "proper" coach now. Within 4 months' time after Paris 2024, her prospect for LA 2028 is suddenly filled with uncertainties. With little hope of finding another partner for XD and little experience of serving as the 3rd singles for WT, her value has gone straight down.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

It's actually more worrying than it looks as it indicates she can't even handle WD now.

After Tokyo 2020, Ito gave up on XD to focus on WS and WD, only to hit a wall in both and quickly realized she needed XD to stay relevant, then "stole" Kihara's partner Uda but after hitting another wall (losing twice against Harimoto/Hayata in 2022) she turned back to WS and WD again, only to give up on WD after getting creamed one last time at WTTC 2023 and made the worst decision of ditching Matsuzaki officially near the end of 2023, ultimately shutting herself out of Paris 2024.

Hayata is at a crossroad here not unlike Ito was. She is dealing with a playing arm that will likely never fully recover and a style that needs an overhaul, and on top of that without a "proper" coach now. Within 4 months' time after Paris 2024, her prospect for LA 2028 is suddenly filled with uncertainties. With little hope of finding another partner for XD and little experience of serving as the 3rd singles for WT, her value has gone straight down.

you should rename the thread
Hayata: i'm not sure i will play for another 4 years

 

[zeio]

スレ立てるほどでもない大会・海外卓球　女子256
https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1734183765
524名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/12/26(木) 18:04:36.61ID:410A6w3L
早田のどうでもいい記事はどうでもいいから今日の試合の早田の調子はどうだったの
ダブルスで出て1-2で負けた、チキータできてたって情報は見たけど
(I don't care about pointless articles on Hayata, so how was Hayata doing in today's match?
She played doubles and lost 1-2, but I saw that she was able to do the chiquita)

526名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/12/26(木) 18:20:02.10ID:ShYQlG8H
>>524
試合がどうでも良くないと思うなら自分で確認しなよ…
どうでもいい記事は要らないと言いながら試合は他人に聞いてアホみたい
(If you think the match is irrelevant, check it out for yourself...
You're an idiot for saying you don't need irrelevant articles but then asking someone else about the match)

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2024/12/26(木) 18:33:15.62ID:ZNRUus7Q
>>524
U-NEXT契約してたのわすれてた
早田のダブルス見たったぞ
面白なかった
ちっこいペアかわいかった
(I forgot I had a U-NEXT contract
I watched Hayata's doubles
It wasn't interesting
The little pair was cute)

528名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/12/26(木) 18:37:12.54ID:+r5E/3Sl
>>524
チキータも後陣からの回り込みフォアも決めていたけど
まだ７割ぐらいの力でセーブしながら打ってたみたい
まあＴリーグのダブルスだから練習試合に毛が生えた程度だしな
(She also made some chiquita and FH shots away from table, but she was still using about 70% of her power to play and save the shots
Well, it was a T.League doubles match, so it was just a little bit better than a practice match)

533名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/12/26(木) 19:26:30.05ID:b4bUEars
国際大会始まっても日本人選手が敗退した途端、「大会？なにそれ」とガン無視、どうでも良い日本人選手に関する雑談に移行する残念な板だから
(Even when an international tournament starts, the moment a Japanese player is eliminated, everyone just ignores it and says "Tournament? What's that?", and moves on to meaningless chatter about Japanese players. It's a disappointing board)

543名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/12/26(木) 23:42:24.88ID:CpH5x0sy
この状態ではスタコン2回戦から登場の早田は初戦落ちしそうかな
復活にはまだまだ時間が掛かりそう
それにしても日生はテーピングしてる人が多かったなｗ
麻生肩、赤江肘、早田手首、日生はちゃんと選手の体調管理できてるんかね
(In this condition, Hayata, who will be appearing in the 2nd round of the SCT, will likely be eliminated in the first match
It will take some time for her to recover
Even so, many players at Nissay were using tapes lol
Aso's shoulder, Akae's elbow, Hayata's wrist...I wonder if Nissay is managing the physical condition of its players properly?)

544名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/12/26(木) 23:54:40.51ID:k3icULdu
ミキハウスより日生の方が謎の昭和スポ根だったりして、、
(Compared to Miki House, Nissay is even more mysteriously Showa spokon [sports grit]...)

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2024/12/27(金) 06:37:10.32ID:AQv4Ys4m
早田もう普通に振れてるな
(Hayata is swinging normally now)

Tリーグ女子23試合目
https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1731479254
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2024/12/26(木) 19:16:58.39ID:CpH5x0sy
今日の出来では早田はVMには出ない気がするけど
多分、イーチンとシンユビンの再戦かな
(With today's performance, I don't think Hayata will be in VM, but maybe there will be a rematch between I-Ching and Shin Yubin)

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2024/12/26(木) 19:27:26.53ID:bY/heX12
早田は今日はダブルスだけか
(Is Hayata only playing doubles today?)

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2024/12/27(金) 07:03:47.80ID:XXtodZ/8
>>551
早田自身が「毎日感覚が変わっている」って言っている今日の状態が良い方の状態なのかどうか
全日本に向けて他選手に油断させるためなのかな
そんな余裕はないように見えるけど
(Hayata herself said that her "feelings change every day" so I wonder if today's condition is a better one
I wonder if she's trying to make the other athletes let their guard down ahead of Zennihon
But she doesn't seem to have that kind of leeway)

559名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!
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2024/12/27(金) 11:51:28.82ID:0hBCiHhd
VMって最後一発ここは決め所みたいなイメージがあったがそうでもないか
だとすればエース早田が出てきてもよさそうなもんだが
(I have the impression that the last shot of VM is where it gets decided, but maybe that's not the case
If that's the case, it would be good for ace Hayata to come out)

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2024/12/27(金) 12:10:01.91ID:3M083c+q
早田が出てこれるようならイーチンを取ってないのでは
(If Hayata could come out, they wouldn't have brought I-Ching)

 

[zeio]

2025日本全锦赛，张本美和夺冠的概率有多大？ (What are the probabilities of Harimoto Miwa winning the 2025 Japan National Championships?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9346246840
吃瓜路人乐子人 内战不好说吧，天天说日男内战王，其实日女内战起来也各有各的不好打，一不小心就翻车了
IP属地:陕西来自Android客户端4楼2024-12-20 18:58收起回复
(It's hard to say for civil wars. People always say that Japanese men are the kings of civil wars, but in fact, Japanese women are also difficult to play in their own ways. If you are not careful, you will be overturned)
沙气藤藤大月月: 感觉牢和，牢娜厚实程度还是更高一筹的，如果牢娜没受伤，决赛大概率还是她俩。牢和只要过了削球，应该可以锁定决赛一席，就看另一个决赛是谁，看好牢大。
2024-12-20 19:43回复
(I feel that Lao [Mi]Wa and Lao [Hi]Na have the upper hand in solidness. If Lao [Hi]Na hasn't been injured, chances are they would still be the finalists. As long as Lao [Mi]Wa gets past the choppers, she should be able to secure a place in the final. It depends on who will be in the other final. I'm optimistic about Lao O[do].)
吃瓜路人乐子人: 回复 沙气藤藤大月月 :内战王大藤一向很会抓机会，所以我也看好她
2024-12-20 19:46回复
(Civil War King Odo has always been good at seizing opportunities, so I am also optimistic about her)

hjshjjj 不好说，日本那个选拔机制全是内战王
IP属地:福建来自Android客户端5楼2024-12-20 19:01收起回复
(It's hard to say. Japan's selection mechanism is all about civil war kings)
沙气藤藤大月月: 日乒这个机制，“透明”是“透明”，省事也省事，但盛产耗子扛枪窝里横的。
2024-12-20 19:44回复
(The JNT mechanism may be "transparent" and convenient, but it also produces plenty of teammate killers)

鸡腿子饭团 全日锦也太难预测了，感觉新出头的那几个都有可能
IP属地:福建来自iPhone客户端7楼2024-12-20 22:37回复
(All-Japan Championships are too hard to predict. I feel like the several newcomers are all likely to win)

山水集团高小鹏 我看好大藤沙月 什么近台快速攻防 生胶 左手 统统都不好使
日本女队将要从此进入爆姐的时代
IP属地:山东8楼2024-12-20 23:02收起回复
(I am optimistic about Odo Satsuki. Close-to-table fast attack and defense, raw pips, lefties, all of them are useless
The Japanese women's team will enter the era of Explosive Sister from now on)
骑乐无穷初心: 时间过得真快啊
2024-12-21 00:49回复
(Time really flies)

赠送术士 看早田手怎么样了吧，回复好了的话就不好说了
IP属地:黑龙江来自Android客户端9楼2024-12-20 23:16回复
(Will see how Hayata is doing. If she recovers, it's hard to say)

诠释手法尽头 感觉难说，但概率挺大的。美和这个半区佐藤瞳估计打起来费点力别的都砍瓜切菜，桥本估计过不去平野那关，过了还有伊藤在等她，但美和已经能完全拿捏平野伊藤除非自己状态不好。左半区，全日锦强度那么高感觉早田没准碰不到大藤手就寄了，我觉得大藤蒙彼利埃决赛那个状态也有点概念神的意思，隔了几天脆跪蒯曼没参考价值，如果大藤真的全日锦夺冠那我真认可内战王了
IP属地:浙江来自iPhone客户端11楼2024-12-21 01:02收起回复
(It's hard to say, but the probability is quite high. In Miwa's half of the draw, it will be difficult for her to play against Sato Hitomi, and everything else will be a cinch. Hashimoto probably can't get past Hirano, and if she does, there's Ito waiting for her, but Miwa can already completely control Hirano and Ito unless she's in poor form. In the left half of the draw, the All-Japan Championships are so intense that it feels like Hayata might go good-game before shaking Odo's hand. I think Odo's form in the Montpellier final was a bit like a Concept God [a player who possesses the most overpowered strength under certain circumstances, a gaming term from League of Legends Pro League]. She fell easily to Kuai Man a few days later, so there's no reference value. If Odo really wins the All-Japan Championships, then I really recognize the king of civil wars)
诠释手法尽头: 回复 沙气藤藤大月月 :爆姐亚锦跪印度接着蒙彼利埃夺冠有人说内战王那会儿我可是帮爆姐说话的，结果接着脆跪大丫头和斯佐科斯在我这失去了信任看好美和是因为觉得她暂时没什么明显短板，如果再跪大藤就真无话可说了
2024-12-21 06:30回复
(Explosive Sister fell to India at the ATTC and then won the CS Montpellier. Some people said she was the king of the civil war. At that time, I defended Explosive Sister, but then she lost to big maid [Kuai Man] and Szocs. I lost trust in her. I am optimistic about Miwa because I think she has no obvious shortcomings for the time being. If she loses to Odo again, I will have nothing to say)
沙气藤藤大月月: 回复 诠释手法尽头 :美和跟牢娜，整体感觉偏“中式”，比较厚实，但风格上感觉也没新东西。爆姐还是欠练，本身球商也一般。混低级别国际比赛的不知道成人世界水那么深，老油条们这么多。不过她这种满场跑轰哐哐抡的风格我太喜欢了。
2024-12-21 10:10回复
(Miwa and Lao [Hi]Na, the overall feeling is more "Chinese", more solid, but the style doesn't seem to have anything new. Explosive Sister still lacks finesse, and her TTQ is average. Those who play in low-level international competitions don't know how deep the world of adults is, and there are so many slicks. But I like too much her style of running all over the court)

riruroru 基本就是她拿了，大藤蒙彼利埃是爆种，且肯定开始重视和研究了，美和那儿伊藤平野威胁不到她，之前能压制她的早田伤了大不如前，再加上如果这次夺冠了会更新平野之前的最年轻记录，肯定铆足劲的
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端16楼2024-12-21 19:32回复
(It is her to take, basically. Odo was in extraordinary form at Montpellier, and they must have started to pay attention and study her. Ito, Hirano can't threaten Miwa, and Hayata, who could suppress her before, is injured and is not as good as before. In addition, if she wins this time, she will update Hirano's previous youngest record, so she will definitely go all out)

呕吐中753 娜娜伤愈归来给你们炸个大的
IP属地:四川来自Android客户端17楼2024-12-21 19:33回复
([Hi]Nana back from her injury and will give you guys a big bomb)

 

[zeio]

Doubles entries for Singapore Smash 2025. Limited by the NER of 4 players but 1 full pair only, Nagasaki has no choice but to pair with Kim Nayeong like last year. Poor Kihara, no singles and no doubles.

https://jtta.or.jp/tour/28926

男子シングルス（６名） 張本智和、戸上隼輔、宇田幸矢、松島輝空、篠塚大登、吉村真晴
女子シングルス（６名） 早田ひな、張本美和、大藤沙月、伊藤美誠、平野美宇、長﨑美柚
男子ダブルス（１組） 戸上隼輔／篠塚大登
女子ダブルス（２組） 大藤沙月／横井咲桜、長﨑美柚／金娜英（/韓国）
混合ダブルス（２組） 松島輝空／張本美和、大藤沙月／呉晙誠（/韓国）、長﨑美柚／姚鈞濤（/中国香港）

 

[zeio]

Failing to qualify for WS of WTTC 2025 at ATTC 2024 seems to be the reason Hayata has to pay out of her pocket for WTT SCT Doha 2025? Now, she has to qualify either by WR as the top JNT player or winning Zennihon Takkyu 2025. Hmm...

パリ五輪銅メダル・早田ひな、Ｔリーグ復帰戦はダブルスで惜敗…赤江夏星とのペアで梅村優香、塩見真希組に１―２
https://hochi.news/articles/20241226-OHT1T51124.html?page=1

　来年１月には、シングルスで３連覇が懸かる全日本選手権（東京体育館）が待つ。同５月の世界選手権個人戦（カタール・ドーハ）出場に向け、今年１０月のアジア選手権で出場権を得られなかった早田にとって、代表選考が懸かった重要な大会となる。

早田ひな、Tリーグに今季初出場　左手首のけがから回復途上
https://www.47news.jp/11957347.html

　パリ五輪の卓球女子団体で銀、シングルスで銅メダルを獲得した早田ひなが26日、ノジマTリーグに今季初出場した。大阪・貝塚市民文化会館で行われた九州戦で赤江夏星とダブルスを組み、1―2と競り負け「コミュニケーションが最後にうまく取れず負けてしまった」と思い返した。

　五輪で左手首付近を痛め、実戦復帰となった11月のWTTファイナルはシングルス1回戦で敗退した。まだ練習量を十分に増やすことができていないようで「毎日、腕自体の感覚も変わってくる。そこと付き合いながらやっている」と語った。

　来年1月下旬には全日本選手権が待つ。「自分のコンディションをどこまで戻せていけるか」と話した。

Hayata Hina, who won a silver medal in the women's team table tennis event and a bronze medal in the singles event at the Paris Olympics, made her first appearance in the Nojima T.League this season on the 26th. In a match against Kyushu held at Kaizuka Civic Cultural Hall in Osaka, she teamed up with Akae Kaho in doubles and lost 1-2, saying, "We weren't able to communicate well at the end, which is why we lost."

Hayata injured her left wrist during the Olympics, and was eliminated in the first round of the singles event at the WTT Finals in November, her first tournament back in action. It seems she has not yet been able to increase her training volume sufficiently, saying, "The feeling in my arm itself changes every day. I'm working on it while dealing with that."

The All-Japan Championships await in late January next year. She said, "I want to see how far I can get back into shape."

 

[zeio]

Hayata gave an update on her wrist after the T.League match on the 26th. While saying she is more than 50% recovered, she can't tell either. She added that she can't say she won't get injured again. On Zennihon Takkyu 2025, she is not very optimistic.

早田ひな　パリ五輪で痛めた左腕の現状を説明「半分以上は回復」「最後の突き詰めていく部分が…」
https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2024/12/27/kiji/20241227s00026000101000c.html

　「久々の復帰戦ということで緊張もしたけど、自分自身、いいプレーもあった。ただ、やっぱり練習量がまだ足りていないのと、赤江選手とのコミュニケーションが最後にうまく取れず最後に（点を）あげてしまったというのがあるので。そこはちょっと悔しかった」

　2つのメダルを手にしたパリ五輪で左手首付近を負傷。今年11月のWTTファイナルズで102日ぶりに復帰し、Tリーグでは今月9日に選手登録が完了した。

　「（左腕は）ちょっとずつ練習はできるようになってきた感じだけど、しっかりとはまだ練習ができていない感じで。技術自体も、まだ感覚がなかったり、毎日、腕自体の感覚も変わってくるので、そこと付き合いながらというか…。回復でいくと、半分以上は回復しているんじゃないかなと思うけど、最後の突き詰めていく部分がまだちょっと時間が掛かるかなとは思うので。自分自身も、そこはちょっと分かっていないような感じです」

　パリ五輪後には、10年間をともに歩んできた石田大輔コーチとのタッグを解消。ロス五輪での金メダル獲得に向け、新たな道を歩き出した。

　「今日の試合はシングルスに出る選択肢もあったけど、やっぱり腕の状態が分からないので。それでも、ダブルスの試合が終わってから腕の状態を確かめたら、まだいけそうな感じだった。試合をしてみないと分からないし、試合をしてまたケガをしてしまうかもしれないし。こうやって予防をして、たくさんの方に関わっていただいていろんな治療をしていても、人間の限界を突き詰めてやっている部分なので。（またケガを）しないとはいえないけど、順調にうまくやっていけば試合勘も戻ってくると思う。そこは時間の流れに任せるしかない」

　来年1月には、Tリーグに加えてWTTスターコンテンダーや全日本選手権の出場を予定している。全日本ではシングルス3連覇が懸かる中で「違う自分として挑戦していきたい。他の選手が自分を超えることを目標としてくるのは間違いないけど、私自身は復帰してから、同じ土俵に立てていないので。悔いなく試合ができたら」と語った。

"I was nervous because it was my first match in a long time, but I played well. However, I still haven't practiced enough, and I wasn't able to communicate well with Akae at the end, so I ended up giving up points. I'm a little disappointed about that."

She injured her left wrist at the Paris Olympics, where she won two medals. She returned to the WTT Finals in November this year after 102 days, and completed her T.League player registration on the 9th of this month.

"I feel like I'm getting better at practicing (my left arm), but I haven't been able to practice properly yet. I still don't have the feeling for the technique, and the feeling of my arm changes every day, so I'm just dealing with that... In terms of recovery, I think I'm more than half recovered, but I think it will take some time for the very last part. I feel like I don't really understand that either."

After the Paris Olympics, she broke up with coach ISHIDA Daisuke, with whom she had been working together for 10 years. She has embarked on a new path to win the gold medal at the Los Angeles Olympics.

"I had the option of playing singles in today's match, but I didn't know the condition of my arm. Still, when I checked the condition of my arm after the doubles match, it felt like I could still go. I won't know until I play a match, and I might injure myself again during the match. Even though I'm taking precautions like this and getting various treatments from many people involved, I'm still pushing the limits of what a human being can do. I can't say I won't (get injured again), but if I do well, I think my match sense will return. I'll just have to let time take its course."

In January next year, in addition to the T.League, she is scheduled to participate in the WTT Star Contender and All-Japan Championships. In the All-Japan Championships, where she is aiming for her 3rd consecutive singles title, she said, "I want to challenge myself as a different person. There's no doubt that other players will aim to surpass me, but since my return, I haven't been able to stand on the same stage as them. I hope I can play without regrets."

 

[zeio]

And the Yahoo comments.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/19276684db063d2ed199e989c7b47729b7199865
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/19276684db063d2ed199e989c7b47729b7199865/comments
kei
1日前
完治は難しいかもしれないですね、五輪時に医師からもそう言われてますからね。これは不意のアクシデントによる負傷ではなく、五輪までの過密スケジュールにより積み重なった負担が北朝鮮選手との試合で爆発したのではないかと思います。張本選手すら寄せ付けなかった日本の絶対エースは蘇ることは出来ないかもしれませんね。早田さんは努力で這い上がってきた遅咲きの選手だっただけに残念です。
(It may be difficult to make a full recovery, as the doctor said at the time of the Olympics. I think this was not an injury caused by a sudden accident, but rather the accumulated burden from the hectic schedule leading up to the Olympics exploded in the match against the North Korean player. Japan's absolute ace, who even kept Harimoto at bay, may never be able to recover. It's a shame, as Hayata was a late bloomer who worked her way up through hard work.)
21 concur, 2 ic, 39 hmm
lem********
1日前
他の選手が自分を超えることを目標としてくるのは間違いないけど…かぁ。
相変わらずな言い方だなあ。
もう張本選手は既に追い抜いているよ。他の選手は張本選手を目標にしているのでは？
(There's no doubt that other athletes will aim to surpass me...huh?
Still saying the same thing as always.
Harimoto has already surpassed her. Maybe other athletes are aiming to be like Harimoto instead?)
30 concur, 1 ic, 29 hmm

poiqwe
1日前
長引いてるということはもう無理だな。コーチか何か、出来ることをやられた方が良い。他の選手にも道を譲るのも、日本の卓球界のためになります。
(It's no good if it drags on like this. I'd like her to do what she can, be a coach or something. It would be good for the Japanese table tennis world to give way to other players.)
11 concur, 1 ic, 18 hmm

rea********
1日前
この際、1年間くらい右腕でやってみれば？
(Why not try it with your right arm for about a year?)
6 concur, 4 ic, 29 hmm
tat********
1日前
まぁ、確かに早田は元々は右利きではあるけども…。
(Well, it's true that Hayata is originally right-handed)
2 concur, 1 ic, 3 hmm

 

[zeio]

【2024スポーツ名場面 日本中が感涙！】早田ひな パリ五輪 卓球女子シングルス3位決定戦
https://friday.kodansha.co.jp/article/405510

「早田は試合の５分前に患部に麻酔を打っていたんです。本来なら、麻酔の効き目や腕の可動域を事前に把握するために練習したかったはず。しかし、あの時の彼女にその余裕はありませんでした。

負傷していた前腕部の影響がとくに大きかったのは、バックハンドでした。バックハンド系の技を打つ時は、手首を捻って打つ必要があります。この際に前腕部に痛みがあれば、手首を満足に捻ることができず、威力も回転も不足した打球になってしまいます。しかし、第２ゲームの後半から麻酔が効いてきたのか、早田本来のショットが復活してきました。これは奇跡に近いことです。早田の精神力と、試合中に起こった奇跡が、悲願の銅メダルを生んだのです」

 

[zeio]

Hayata on Paris 2024 and the future in her interview with RKB Mainichi Hoso, her hometown television station.

She said the painkiller started to wear off in G5 and that she had to decide it in G6, otherwise she'd have lost if it dragged on to G7.

【今までの自分はぶち壊す！】パリ五輪メダリスト卓球日本のエース・早田ひなが独占告白パリ五輪の真相とこれから
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z9cbb0_0D0

Again
- Hayata Hina

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

It's actually more worrying than it looks as it indicates she can't even handle WD now.

After Tokyo 2020, Ito gave up on XD to focus on WS and WD, only to hit a wall in both and quickly realized she needed XD to stay relevant, then "stole" Kihara's partner Uda but after hitting another wall (losing twice against Harimoto/Hayata in 2022) she turned back to WS and WD again, only to give up on WD after getting creamed one last time at WTTC 2023 and made the worst decision of ditching Matsuzaki officially near the end of 2023, ultimately shutting herself out of Paris 2024.

Hayata is at a crossroads here not unlike Ito was. She is dealing with a playing arm that will likely never fully recover and a style that needs an overhaul, and on top of that without a "proper" coach now. Within 4 months' time after Paris 2024, her prospect for LA 2028 is suddenly filled with uncertainties. With little hope of finding another partner for XD and little experience of serving as the 3rd singles for WT, her value has gone straight down.

Miwa/Kihara just lost to the same pair -10,-3. Hayata/Akae did better -8,7,-11 despite Hayata just coming back. The injury is a setback and it's going to take time, but I believe her game will come back as long as she can stay healthy.

 

[Vlad Celler]

And yet I don't understand...
Why is Mima Ito not included in the Doha Star Contender?
Is it her personal choice?

 

[zeio]

Miwa/Kihara just lost to the same pair -10,-3. Hayata/Akae did better -8,7,-11 despite Hayata just coming back. The injury is a setback and it's going to take time, but I believe her game will come back as long as she can stay healthy.

Kihara has been playing like crap the whole season. The only match she won in the 1st stage of CTTSL 2024 was against WYD, who has an even worse season than her.

Kihara's WS win rate is only 57.1% (versus Nagasaki at 75% and Harimoto at 91.7%). Her WD win rate with Harimoto is only 50% (versus 100% with Nagasaki). Harimoto's WD win rate with Nagasaki is still 66.7%.

For Hayata, time is running against her. WTT SCT Doha 2025 then Zennihon Takkyu 2025 then Singapore Smash 2025 and she is still not qualified for WTTC 2025. The fact that she is still uncertain about the last stage of recovery after 4 months (despite being surprised that her recovery was quicker than expected in that RKB Mainichi Hoso interview) indicates the chances of a full recovery are not optimistic.

Nagasaki
https://tleague.jp/ranking/player.php?player=30005&year=2024
Harimoto
https://tleague.jp/ranking/player.php?player=30006&year=2024
Kihara
https://tleague.jp/ranking/player.php?player=30007&year=2024

 

[zeio]

Given the above, there is a distinction between playing bad due to poor form and playing bad due to an injury. In Hayata's case, her body has been telling her for a few years that Dumb Hayata is unsustainable. As she said in the RKB Manichi Hoso interview, the result is not what she was aiming for. It's not worth trading your future career to save a bronze medal. She wouldn't have needed to risk that much for that.

早田ひな 55 省力化 (Hayata Hina 55 Labor-saving)
http://kittyoyaji.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-3036.html
早田ひな 54 後日談 (Hayata Hina 54 Epilogue)
http://kittyoyaji.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-3029.html

 

[NextLevel]

Thr main thing working in her favor is that rhe WTTC is not as big as deal as it once was. The Smashes deliver similar ranking points. She also has the bronze Olympic points for a while.

 

[zeio]

It will come down to the new selection system that the JTTA has yet to come up with for LA 2028, how much weight WTT events are given compared to ITTF events.

 

[Vlad Celler]

Thr main thing working in her favor is that rhe WTTC is not as big as deal as it once was. The Smashes deliver similar ranking points. She also has the bronze Olympic points for a while.

I wonder if C.I.C. will be able to stay in the top 10? She has a big deduction coming up in January next year, -600+100

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

I wonder if C.I.C. will be able to stay in the top 10? She has a big deduction coming up in January next year, -600+100

Even with CM dropping out of the rankings, CIC will drop out of the top 10 when her SC Goa points expire on 1/28 as she will be below SYB, QTY, Mima, and probably even Hirano who is playing both SC Doha and Contender Muscat. Top 10 is extremely competitive, but CIC is highly skilled. She's the only one to take Satsuki Odo to a deciding game at WTT Champions Montpelier. Still, it will be very tough at age 32 and a double wing attacking style.

 

[Vlad Celler]

С.M. left, and Mima Ito entered the top 10 again