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Hey TTD. I am a user using long pips for around 5 month now in my total of 1 year table tennis experience. I switched to long pips because of spinny serves coming to my backhand and I don’t really have a backhand. My game style is serve backspin and opponent either push or loop and I either chopblock or push with my long pimple and finish point with forehand winner. I don’t really attack and just rely on my long pips. My rating is around 1100 in rating central. (AUS). Would like some feedback / tips regarding equipment choices or playing style changes.

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Hi. As you still are a beginner in this I think that you should skip using long pips and instead embrace the spin. I see that you use MX-P and don't take this wrong, but it's like giving a F1 car to a toddler. I mean that you should use a more linear rubber like for example 729 - Focus III Snipe that's quite easy to play with and isn't that super sensitive to incoming spin. Using a similar rubber to this on both sides will make you develop your technique in the right way and you'll eventually will become better and better at handling spin as well.

When you understand and can handle the spin you could benefit more from using a long pips rubber as well, as you know how the ball behaves coming from different types of spin and knows what you serve your opponent.

The solution isn't to take any shortcuts like MX-P, a bouncy rubber that you don't have to make an effort using, and that's really hard for you to handle when you're under pressure. And Grass, because it's hard to handle the spin. I guess you see some improvement that you get the ball back some more, but you wont evolve in that area either, as you have taken a shortcut to improve.
 
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Hi. As you still are a beginner in this I think that you should skip using long pips and instead embrace the spin. I see that you use MX-P and don't take this wrong, but it's like giving a F1 car to a toddler. I mean that you should use a more linear rubber like for example 729 - Focus III Snipe that's quite easy to play with and isn't that super sensitive to incoming spin. Using a similar rubber to this on both sides will make you develop your technique in the right way and you'll eventually will become better and better at handling spin as well.

When you understand and can handle the spin you could benefit more from using a long pips rubber as well, as you know how the ball behaves coming from different types of spin and knows what you serve your opponent.

The solution isn't to take any shortcuts like MX-P, a bouncy rubber that you don't have to make an effort using, and that's really hard for you to handle when you're under pressure. And Grass, because it's hard to handle the spin. I guess you see some improvement that you get the ball back some more, but you wont evolve in that area either, as you have taken a shortcut to improve.
I wanted to stay with long pips set up because I have a poor footwork. (Pivot is pretty normal) . Is there any long pips and forehand rubber recommendations?
 
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How about just using grass dtecs on backhand still and just change my forehand rubber to something more simple? Maybe a hurricane 3?
Like @mocker88 said, using LP is a shortcut, especially since you're using it since you have no backhand. Get it off and use inverted, come back to LP after another year.
 
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I wanted to stay with long pips set up because I have a poor footwork. (Pivot is pretty normal) . Is there any long pips and forehand rubber recommendations?
This is the problem. You're using LP on backhand to avoid actually developing.
 
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How about just using grass dtecs on backhand still and just change my forehand rubber to something more simple? Maybe a hurricane 3?
Hurricane 3 is a dense, tacky, super grippy rubber. If you like to start using one similar to this, there are easier variants to start with like LOKI - Rxton 3, 729 - Cross General or Sanwei - Target 90. This would be a huge difference compared to your MX-P, so that's why I suggested something like 729 - Focus III Snipe. Palio - AK47 Blue and Yellow are also similar good rubbers. Yinhe - Mercury III Euro could also be good on BH, and it's really soft and easy to play.

And you will need to develop your foot work even though you're using long pips, so I really think you should try an easy to play backside rubber on BH as well. It's much more fun :)
 
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To be honest ... I am never a fan off players using long pimples because they have a week backhand.
If you want to be good with pimples it takes a lot off practise. If you take that practise with normal rubbers you can go a longer way. You should only play with Long Pips if that is your style. If you grow in levels you will be crushed by players who know what pimples do. And you use D.tecs? that one is so hard to controle and very speedy.
 
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I just do not get this advice about always using inverted on your backhand while you are developing. So sorry that I do not get it.

It is more fun to play with long pips. It opens up a whole range of amazing strokes that are not available with inverted rubber UNLESS you are an advance or elite player. Might never get there.

Why spend years to learn backhand topspin, only to change to long pips and never ever use that technique again? Or instead use that time to develop chops, precise pushes, attack underspin etc...

Learn to twiddle and surprise your oppo with unexpected flicks.

Land your pushes and chops on the table instead of missing it.

Isn't long pips play a more natural way of moving, more slice, cut and side motions instead of upwards motions?

Isn't long pips play a more natural way of pushing the ball since it mimics a natural surface like a wall and don't put unnatural force to the balls spin?

Can't we not just flip the argument and say that everybody should use long pips on their backhand in the beginning? To learn how play table tennis? Avoid some mistakes? To not have to go into the challaging minefield of inverted rubber options? If you find out that you have a natural tendency to play inverted on your backhand you can always change when you have learned the basic table tennis skills.

What is more important really? Having fun or developing? If it is true, which I doubt, that you develop better playing inverted.

And now to my advice. Blade does not matter, just choose to play with something that you like. While you are developing. My take on rubbers for beginners and amateurs is to play with something that feels good! And probably it will feel better with inverted rubbers that have a thinner sponge on your forehand, and if you choose to play with pips out use one that has a thin sponge. Pips our without sponge I guess are a bit limiting! Just a guess - I have never tried them. I have just found the rubbers I really like, I have played for 6 months now and just changed to long pips backhand Yinhe 955 and forehand Hexer Grip SFX 1.7 mm. I am in no hurry to change, but I will definately try a defensive blade at some point, and I am also interested in trying a forehand rubber with even thinner sponge like Pimplepark Epos. Just for fun!
 
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To be honest ... I am never a fan off players using long pimples because they have a week backhand.
If you want to be good with pimples it takes a lot off practise. If you take that practise with normal rubbers you can go a longer way. You should only play with Long Pips if that is your style. If you grow in levels you will be crushed by players who know what pimples do. And you use D.tecs? that one is so hard to controle and very speedy.
How good would their backhand be if they played inverted?
 
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I just do not get this advice about always using inverted on your backhand while you are developing. So sorry that I do not get it.
Its fine man don't worry :D
It is more fun to play with long pips. It opens up a whole range of amazing strokes that are not available with inverted rubber UNLESS you are an advance or elite player. Might never get there.
Well for this claim is that it is fully subjective. Not everyone loves chopping and prefers BH topspin, y'know?
Inverted can do all the strokes LP can, just to a lower degree, but can do much much more than LP. This is why I consider LP to be a specialized type rubber, fitted perfectly for one style but not much else. If you start with LP, you will never get to learn all of the basics, and will restrict you in the long run.
Why spend years to learn backhand topspin, only to change to long pips and never ever use that technique again? Or instead use that time to develop chops, precise pushes, attack underspin etc...
Why would they even switch if their BH topspin was top notch? If they became good at chopping with inverted instead of topspin, then you switch to LP.

Inverted can chop, push precisely, and attack backspin too, I don't get your point!
Learn to twiddle and surprise your oppo with unexpected flicks.
How can they land those flicks if they can't even play with backhand inverted?
Land your pushes and chops on the table instead of missing it.
What??? This is a wild claim to make, since that isn't because of the rubber at all, just that the only reason you miss is a skill issue on your end :|
Isn't long pips play a more natural way of moving, more slice, cut and side motions instead of upwards motions?

Isn't long pips play a more natural way of pushing the ball since it mimics a natural surface like a wall and don't put unnatural force to the balls spin?
These points aren't bad tbh and works to a degree (unlike the above points). However, you can play exactly like that with inverted too. As for the wall part, you're right. Can't argue with the truth there, this is one of the advantages of using long pips.
Can't we not just flip the argument and say that everybody should use long pips on their backhand in the beginning? To learn how play table tennis? Avoid some mistakes? To not have to go into the challaging minefield of inverted rubber options? If you find out that you have a natural tendency to play inverted on your backhand you can always change when you have learned the basic table tennis skills.
Nope, this is a horrible take. There are so many lessons where you shouldn't take the easy route, hell, they're in so many stories! It is also better to make a lot of mistakes to begin with to get them corrected. This last claim is especially bad because the other way is also true, and much better for developing both topspin and backspin!

Long pips is an enhancer, something like a x1.5 instead of inverted which is akin to +3, but if you are a beginner, 0*1.5 is still 0. You will not develop with LP like how you develop with inverted, not even close.
What is more important really? Having fun or developing? If it is true, which I doubt, that you develop better playing inverted.
You absolutely do. Read my answers above. Inverted is so much better when developing pushes, drives, loops, hell even chops for both FH and BH.

Having fun is much more important, for sure, but this is just subjective. My brother doesn't like long pips, so if he plays LP, is it fun for him???
And now to my advice. Blade does not matter, just choose to play with something that you like. While you are developing. My take on rubbers for beginners and amateurs is to play with something that feels good! And probably it will feel better with inverted rubbers that have a thinner sponge on your forehand, and if you choose to play with pips out use one that has a thin sponge. Pips our without sponge I guess are a bit limiting! Just a guess - I have never tried them. I have just found the rubbers I really like, I have played for 6 months now and just changed to long pips backhand Yinhe 955 and forehand Hexer Grip SFX 1.7 mm. I am in no hurry to change, but I will definately try a defensive blade at some point, and I am also interested in trying a forehand rubber with even thinner sponge like Pimplepark Epos. Just for fun!
Yep, this is the right way to go @CoachLucas , pick what is effective, of course, but what is above all is fun!
How good would their backhand be if they played inverted?
Much much better
 
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I just do not get this advice about always using inverted on your backhand while you are developing. So sorry that I do not get it.

It is more fun to play with long pips. It opens up a whole range of amazing strokes that are not available with inverted rubber UNLESS you are an advance or elite player. Might never get there.

Why spend years to learn backhand topspin, only to change to long pips and never ever use that technique again? Or instead use that time to develop chops, precise pushes, attack underspin etc...

Learn to twiddle and surprise your oppo with unexpected flicks.

Land your pushes and chops on the table instead of missing it.

Isn't long pips play a more natural way of moving, more slice, cut and side motions instead of upwards motions?

Isn't long pips play a more natural way of pushing the ball since it mimics a natural surface like a wall and don't put unnatural force to the balls spin?

Can't we not just flip the argument and say that everybody should use long pips on their backhand in the beginning? To learn how play table tennis? Avoid some mistakes? To not have to go into the challaging minefield of inverted rubber options? If you find out that you have a natural tendency to play inverted on your backhand you can always change when you have learned the basic table tennis skills.

What is more important really? Having fun or developing? If it is true, which I doubt, that you develop better playing inverted.

And now to my advice. Blade does not matter, just choose to play with something that you like. While you are developing. My take on rubbers for beginners and amateurs is to play with something that feels good! And probably it will feel better with inverted rubbers that have a thinner sponge on your forehand, and if you choose to play with pips out use one that has a thin sponge. Pips our without sponge I guess are a bit limiting! Just a guess - I have never tried them. I have just found the rubbers I really like, I have played for 6 months now and just changed to long pips backhand Yinhe 955 and forehand Hexer Grip SFX 1.7 mm. I am in no hurry to change, but I will definately try a defensive blade at some point, and I am also interested in trying a forehand rubber with even thinner sponge like Pimplepark Epos. Just for fun!
I'm not saying that he needs to play inverted to than switch to long pimples. That is a waste off time.
I'm talking about using long pimples because you backhand is weak. You will get some wins on the low levels, but when you meet players that know how pimples work, you will lose this game !!!

If you don't want to use your backhand because it's weak, why would you twiddle? Than he has to learn 2 things with his backhand. And that was the reason he took on long pips in the first place.

I have played 20+ years inverted. In my youth i played long pimples for a year and don't even know why anymore. Every time I got an opponent with long pimples I knew I would win because in the lower levels 80% plays LP because they have a bad backhand. They didn't want to invest in time to play inverted, they will also not invest in the time to play long pimples. So they don't do anything with it, but winning matches because the opponent is in a loss. That happens. Now I play with long pimples because I want to play with it. My FH was always weaker than my BH.
Just saying ... don't play LP because you have a bad BH. Play with it because you want to play with it and LEARN to play with it.
 
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How about just using grass dtecs on backhand still and just change my forehand rubber to something more simple? Maybe a hurricane 3?
Let's be clear: calling Hurricane 3 "simple" is way off the mark. It's inherently low throw angle demands precise technique and significant body engagement to land quality shots consistently. It's a well-known fact that many players wisely opt for other tacky or spin-oriented rubbers on their forehand as a more accessible starting point before tackling the specific requirements of Hurricane 3 or its Neo variant – and yes, for those who might not know, there is a significant difference between the two.
I'm not saying that he needs to play inverted to than switch to long pimples. That is a waste off time.
I'm talking about using long pimples because you backhand is weak. You will get some wins on the low levels, but when you meet players that know how pimples work, you will lose this game !!!
Honestly, the advice should be to switch away from pips immediately. Without a solid fundamental backhand stroke, using pips is putting the cart before the horse. It's not about needing a full backhand loop, but a reliable backhand punch or push foundation is absolutely essential before considering pips. Look at the greats – many top pips players and defenders built their base with inverted rubber first. I learned this firsthand at a club run by a knowledgeable Korean coach who strongly advised against early pips use. Even my own coach started me with basic inverted strokes before suggesting pips specifically for service returns. This isn't just an opinion; it's a well-trodden path for developing a complete game.

Long pips behave very differently from inverted rubber. They react passively to incoming spin, often reversing or negating it rather than allowing you to generate your own consistent spin. As a beginner, you need to learn how to create spin with your own strokes (loops, drives, serves) to develop a well-rounded game. Long pips can become a crutch, preventing you from learning these essential skills.

While long pips can be frustrating for opponents unfamiliar with their effects, most intermediate and advanced players are better equipped to handle long pips than consistent spin and speed generated by inverted rubber. As you progress, a solid foundation with inverted will likely be more effective against a wider range of opponents.

Lastly, its fine to play with that setup if you don't want to improve fast and are just a hobby player. Many people have different views and sometimes you should just swallow your pride and change for the better.
 
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Why in 2025 advice rubbers like Snipe and AK47? There is hundreds much better rubbers for any level
These are linear, quite soft and not too grippy so I mean that they are great for a beginner. You can't use MX-P to learn the basics of table tennis...
 
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These are linear, quite soft and not too grippy so I mean that they are great for a beginner. You can't use MX-P to learn the basics of table tennis...

There is many much better rubbers for beginners. This rubbers just dead and only little grip. Nobody said beginner should use MX-P but there is rubbers like Vega europe, Acuda and many others that much better then Focus Snipe.
 
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There is many much better rubbers for beginners. This rubbers just dead and only little grip. Nobody said beginner should use MX-P but there is rubbers like Vega europe, Acuda and many others that much better then Focus Snipe.
Sure these rubbers are good, but in my opinion they are too bouncy and grippy for a beginner. But it's just my thoughts...
 
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