Looking for feedback in my FH loop

[isaacdl]

I made a post about my bh loop in the past and it helped me a lot to be aware of my mistakes, so I decided to make the same about my forehand which in my opinion is quite better than my bh (I think this is the common status for most players).

I would like to separate fh loop against backspin and a normal fh loop. Against backspin, I should lean a little more forward? I feel like im totally perpendicular to the floor.
About the latter, I feel like I'm using too much shoulder? What do you think?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

double black rubber, haha

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

1) Feels like your timing is a bit awkward
2) gap between body and ball seems too close (can't see from the angle)
3) 1st top spin against understand, you lifting your upper body backwards
lift the ball, not your body.
4) your counter top spin stroke is a bit big,
5) you jumping up a lot

I would say, you probably will benefit more with a multiball drill if someone can feed to you.
there isn't too much rallies going on.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

also, making way too many service errors, including serving from inside the table.
make use of the drill for quality service too.

could you put the camera behind you?

 

[isaacdl]

double black rubber, haha

I was in a hurry! My G1 was totally dead so I had to play this setup

 

[K.K]

1) Feels like your timing is a bit awkward
2) gap between body and ball seems too close (can't see from the angle)
3) 1st top spin against understand, you lifting your upper body backwards
lift the ball, not your body.
4) your counter top spin stroke is a bit big,
5) you jumping up a lot

I would say, you probably will benefit more with a multiball drill if someone can feed to you.
there isn't too much rallies going on.

good advice, would second both post! especially the service one!

 

[isaacdl]

also, making way too many service errors, including serving from inside the table.
make use of the drill for quality service too.

could you put the camera behind you?

Yeah, totally true, I have several problems with consistency serving wide fh and short, thats why I mixture service with another drills to train both at the same time. I know this is a subject to improve, do you have any feedback to improve fh short serving?

1) Feels like your timing is a bit awkward
2) gap between body and ball seems too close (can't see from the angle)
3) 1st top spin against understand, you lifting your upper body backwards
lift the ball, not your body.
4) your counter top spin stroke is a bit big,
5) you jumping up a lot

I would say, you probably will benefit more with a multiball drill if someone can feed to you.
there isn't too much rallies going on.

Thanks for the answer. In 3, do you mean my upper body does not mantain perpendicular, even I move it backwards as a reflex to lift the ball?
4) Totally true, I have other angles of this same exercise and indeed it's too big and no compact.
5) True.
Problem with multiball is that in my club the ratio coach-player is too low, and coach prefers to train younger players than elderly ones as me haha.
About uploading another angles, I have front and back angles of this same exercise, please, let me ensure they are good quality and Ill post them here. Thanks!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yeah, totally true, I have several problems with consistency serving wide fh and short, thats why I mixture service with another drills to train both at the same time. I know this is a subject to improve, do you have any feedback to improve fh short serving?

serve as much as you can every day.
I used to do 1 hour per day, 7 days a week for the whole year, just to work on my serve.
I did about 1000 serves in that 60 mins

Thanks for the answer. In 3, do you mean my upper body does not mantain perpendicular, even I move it backwards as a reflex to lift the ball?

wait for the ball and just use your forearm to lift the ball over.
your body is going upright and then your forearm is making your body tilt backwards

4) Totally true, I have other angles of this same exercise and indeed it's too big and no compact.
5) True.
Problem with multiball is that in my club the ratio coach-player is too low, and coach prefers to train younger players than elderly ones as me haha.

could players feed to each other?

About uploading another angles, I have front and back angles of this same exercise, please, let me ensure they are good quality and Ill post them here. Thanks!

Damn, you are serious. 3 cameras, WTT going on there by you hey.

 

[Tyce]

If this is training, I think you're going too hard. Dial the effort down so you can feel the whole thing, and so you can get the ball on the table 9/10 times. By going hard you're missing a lot of the power spectrum, accuracy, placement, and plain efficiency helping with stamina.

If you miss 2 balls in a row, take a moment to think about it and dial down until you get comfortable again.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

If this is training, I think you're going too hard. Dial the effort down so you can feel the whole thing, and so you can get the ball on the table 9/10 times. By going hard you're missing a lot of the power spectrum, accuracy, placement, and plain efficiency helping with stamina.

If you miss 2 balls in a row, take a moment to think about it and dial down until you get comfortable again.

I agree, hence I suggest multiball.

I'm not sure if the problem is too hard, or the blocker can't block.
but it is impossible to train well where majority of rallies is only 2 or 3 hits.

 

[isaacdl]

serve as much as you can every day.
I used to do 1 hour per day, 7 days a week for the whole year, just to work on my serve.
I did about 1000 serves in that 60 mins

wait for the ball and just use your forearm to lift the ball over.
your body is going upright and then your forearm is making your body tilt backwards

could players feed to each other?

Damn, you are serious. 3 cameras, WTT going on there by you hey.

Hahaha, by 3 angles I mean same exercise in 3 different angles, moving tripod each 5min to cover all angles.

About feeding, yes, this is something I might consider with my training partner. This time the partner was also a user of this forum! We can try to start using multiballs to train if we are training together.

wait for the ball and just use your forearm to lift the ball over.
your body is going upright and then your forearm is making your body tilt backwards

Sorry, I dont understand this part. Should I not use my body to lift the backspin ball? I dont follow how my forearm is making my body tilt backwards

If this is training, I think you're going too hard. Dial the effort down so you can feel the whole thing, and so you can get the ball on the table 9/10 times. By going hard you're missing a lot of the power spectrum, accuracy, placement, and plain efficiency helping with stamina.

If you miss 2 balls in a row, take a moment to think about it and dial down until you get comfortable again.

I was going loop kills to see how my body behaved when going 100%. I can see the mistakes then. I can perform slow loops consistently if I go 60%.

I agree, hence I suggest multiball.

I'm not sure if the problem is too hard, or the blocker can't block.
but it is impossible to train well where majority of rallies is only 2 or 3 hits.

If it's a problem from someone, its from me, i was going loop kill and not slow loop. I'm uploading the video from a behind perspective!

 

[isaacdl]

And here you have back and front perspectives (I changed the way I was serving cause I feel no confidence at serving short fh). I know im travelling ball backwards when doing hooky serve.

I can see my elbow goes too forward when performing normal loop (in the front video). How I can fix this? I checked quanshibao videos and found these gems:

I think I can start rotating my waist a little bit to use less shoulder maybe?

 

[Yurifi]

1) you elbow doesn’t follow the ball (maybe because of the timing issue? try to get the ball more in front of you, not so much by the side)
2) you are “sitting” on your heels
3) you are not doing any hip rotation
…

 

[latej]

I would like to separate fh loop against backspin and a normal fh loop. Against backspin, I should lean a little more forward? I feel like im totally perpendicular to the floor.
About the latter, I feel like I'm using too much shoulder? What do you think?

Hi @isaacdl, I like the base structure of your FH loop, your elbow is nicely close to body during back-swing and you transfer power well - the proof is the position of your non-playing hand during ball contact. That is actually a thing you should be even more aware of, and experiment with it.

To put it short, the main point for me is this. You are a tall guy, and imo, you should stand signif. wider and thus lower. It's a controversial point, there are people who tell me I stand too wide and low ;-) But I usually point them to look at H. Calderano or P. Franciska. I think this could solve a lot of issues, and imo, you should experiment with it.

The feeling you use too much shoulder during normal loop - it can sometimes come as a result of what happens before. You stand too close to the ball, then during the FH swing you can't rotate and open the chest enough, and the playing hand has no natural place to go/follow... These things you can be gradually more aware of - and you already are, otherwise you wouldn't ask... HTH, cheers.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Hahaha, by 3 angles I mean same exercise in 3 different angles, moving tripod each 5min to cover all angles.

I thought you had 3 camera simultaneously haha

About feeding, yes, this is something I might consider with my training partner. This time the partner was also a user of this forum! We can try to start using multiballs to train if we are training together.

that is great, it will take time to get used to feeder, but once the feeding is great, both the hitter and feeder can improve a great deal.

note - feeding is also ball control.

Sorry, I dont understand this part. Should I not use my body to lift the backspin ball? I dont follow how my forearm is making my body tilt backwards

I will get back to you about this (looking for video)

If it's a problem from someone, its from me, i was going loop kill and not slow loop. I'm uploading the video from a behind perspective!

I saw them, feeding is the way to go.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Here is the upper body example

 

[isaacdl]

Hi @isaacdl, I like the base structure of your FH loop, your elbow is nicely close to body during back-swing and you transfer power well - the proof is the position of your non-playing hand during ball contact. That is actually a thing you should be even more aware of, and experiment with it.

To put it short, the main point for me is this. You are a tall guy, and imo, you should stand signif. wider and thus lower. It's a controversial point, there are people who tell me I stand too wide and low ;-) But I usually point them to look at H. Calderano or P. Franciska. I think this could solve a lot of issues, and imo, you should experiment with it.

The feeling you use too much shoulder during normal loop - it can sometimes come as a result of what happens before. You stand too close to the ball, then during the FH swing you can't rotate and open the chest enough, and the playing hand has no natural place to go/follow... These things you can be gradually more aware of - and you already are, otherwise you wouldn't ask... HTH, cheers.

Thanks, I think I understand quite better now why my elbow goes forward, I lack previously some hip rotation to give space to the ball, even I'm quite late at the stroke. That is something I'll start training next day for sure!

1) you elbow doesn’t follow the ball (maybe because of the timing issue? try to get the ball more in front of you, not so much by the side)
2) you are “sitting” on your heels
3) you are not doing any hip rotation
…

Thanks for the comments, all indeed are related with my lack of hip rotation!

Here is the upper body example

Thanks for your time @Tony's Table Tennis ,you even took your time to upload a video, that's honestly outstanding, thanks a lot. By the video, I see now why you mean by not lifting upperbody. I'll start also tomorrow taking care of this. I think my body is going too upright instead of forward because a lack of movement created by the hip rotation? Is that it?

 

[Yurifi]

one more thing I forgot to add at first place - don't be to stiff! your hand needs to be relaxed, wrist needs to be flex needs to feel almost loose ...

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Thanks for your time @Tony's Table Tennis ,you even took your time to upload a video, that's honestly outstanding, thanks a lot. By the video, I see now why you mean by not lifting upperbody. I'll start also tomorrow taking care of this. I think my body is going too upright instead of forward because a lack of movement created by the hip rotation? Is that it?

you are welcome
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[isaacdl]

you are welcome
please like my channel

Ofc I did!