My invovlment in getting players to play League in Europe

[tabletennismaniac]

Hi,

I have played in Germany (6th division), so maybe can share a bit on the topic.

First, in Germany it really depends on where exactly the league is located. For example you have 8 Oberligas in Germany (5th division) and the level will also be different compared to location. In general, I was told that Hessen, NRW and Bavaria are the strongest regions, so leagues in there will be generally stronger compared to equivalent in the east or north Germany.

Second, the real level behind TTR also depends where player is playing. I was able to get above 2100 TTR without beating any player above 2100. But I won against a bunch of 2000-2080 and with almost 0 losses, progressed to quite high TTR. But it’s fair assumption if take a player of 2100TTR who plays in regionalliga (4th division) - it’s very likely that player is stronger, because he/she constantly competes against 2100-2200 range and can’t get almost any points from lower level.

And the last thing - the clubs consist of 4-6 players (depending on the league). And 1-2 in club will only play against 1-2 from other club. This means that usually the level is also different in the same league depending on position you are placed.
In my 6th division 1-2 players were usually around 2000-2150 and 5-6 players 1750-1850.

Hope this helps someone.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Because I assume Kader was the last name. He was at 2438 until inactivity last year (?) and lost 100 for it.

The app is stupid. No matter if surname or name it doesn't allow below 3 letters hahaha

Hi Leno
Could you help me check a few more please:

Feng Yi-Hsin
Huang Yan-Cheng
Chen Chien-An

Thank you

 

[Leno]

Hi Leno
Could you help me check a few more please:

Feng Yi-Hsin
Huang Yan-Cheng
Chen Chien-An

Thank you

Feng Yi-Hsin - 2498
Huang Yan-Cheng - 2468
Chen Chien-An - 2472

 

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LYJ by the way is listed with 2655 at number 1 followed by Kao (2551) and CCY (2541) out of all Taiwan players.

 

[ttarc]

I have to say, before Chang's first match in Austria, I would not put him in TTR2300 range.
probably more 2100~2200, because I was more familiar with USATT and used the OOAK comparison.
The data is his WTT match play. Do you know if QTTR will also incorporate Austrian 1st bundesliga? he played 2 matches the past Sunday.
second, could you help me check the level (and screen shot of point change like above) of these players?

Li Hsin-Yang
Salifou Abdel Kader
Tomas Sanchi
Andreas Levenko
Tomas Martinko
Felix Wetzel

Thank you

I only get an error when trying to view the TTR history of Salifou Abdel Kader.

Li Hsin-Yang

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Btw: I don't see the most recent matches or the daily TTRs because I don't have a premium mytischtennis account.

TTRs of young players might be a bit high because the calculation/constants are a bit different:
Base change rate is 16 but if you are under 16 it's 24 and if you are under 21 it's 20.
For the first 30 matches after an initial rating this change rate is increased by 4.
On top of this there is a quarterly increase by 6 points (under 17) and for foreign players of 14 points (under 16).

https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/imagedata/Aenderung_des_QNEB.pdf

QNEB = Quartals-Nachwuchs-Entwicklungs-Bonus/quarterly junior development bonus

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I only get an error when trying to view the TTR history of Salifou Abdel Kader.

Li Hsin-Yang

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Btw: I don't see the most recent matches or the daily TTRs because I don't have a premium mytischtennis account.

TTRs of young players might be a bit high because the calculation/constants are a bit different:
Base change rate is 16 but if you are under 16 it's 24 and if you are under 21 it's 20.
For the first 30 matches after an initial rating this change rate is increased by 4.
On top of this there is a quarterly increase by 6 points (under 17) and for foreign players of 14 points (under 16).

https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/imagedata/Aenderung_des_QNEB.pdf

QNEB = Quartals-Nachwuchs-Entwicklungs-Bonus/quarterly junior development bonus

Thank you

Li Hsin-Yang is way stronger than Chang Ping-Cheng
Feng Yi-Hsin and Huang Yan-Cheng will also both beat Li Hsin-Yang straights.
Chen Chien-An should be weaker than Feng and Huang and maybe around the same with Li, due to age and injury.
Chang should be below them, but on a good day, could match them (he is the youngest of all, and would still improve).

This is actually fun, in a way.

Thank you all

 

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I only get an error when trying to view the TTR history of Salifou Abdel Kader.

Li Hsin-Yang

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www.mytischtennis.de

View attachment 31994
Btw: I don't see the most recent matches or the daily TTRs because I don't have a premium mytischtennis account.

No changes for Li since April and I'm running into the same issue with Salifou. The site needs to be killed and rebuild from the ground up.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

No changes for Li since April and I'm running into the same issue with Salifou. The site needs to be killed and rebuild from the ground up.

Li didn't play any WTT this year.
he is in a team (can't remember now which, haha) for Bundesliga
But doesn't mean he is in Germany now.
I will know next Tuesday when I'm at there team party

 

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Li didn't play any WTT this year.
he is in a team (can't remember now which, haha) for Bundesliga
But doesn't mean he is in Germany now.
I will know next Tuesday when I'm at there team party

TTC SR Hohenstein-Ernstthal in 2. Bundesliga (that's a mouthful). He is their number 1 and their first match is on Sunday.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

TTC SR Hohenstein-Ernstthal in 2. Bundesliga (that's a mouthful). He is their number 1 and their first match is on Sunday.

I see that he posted that he landed around 3 hours ago

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Hi,

I have played in Germany (6th division), so maybe can share a bit on the topic.

First, in Germany it really depends on where exactly the league is located. For example you have 8 Oberligas in Germany (5th division) and the level will also be different compared to location. In general, I was told that Hessen, NRW and Bavaria are the strongest regions, so leagues in there will be generally stronger compared to equivalent in the east or north Germany.

Second, the real level behind TTR also depends where player is playing. I was able to get above 2100 TTR without beating any player above 2100. But I won against a bunch of 2000-2080 and with almost 0 losses, progressed to quite high TTR. But it’s fair assumption if take a player of 2100TTR who plays in regionalliga (4th division) - it’s very likely that player is stronger, because he/she constantly competes against 2100-2200 range and can’t get almost any points from lower level.

And the last thing - the clubs consist of 4-6 players (depending on the league). And 1-2 in club will only play against 1-2 from other club. This means that usually the level is also different in the same league depending on position you are placed.
In my 6th division 1-2 players were usually around 2000-2150 and 5-6 players 1750-1850.

Hope this helps someone.

thank you for your detailed feedback.
I have heard something similar these few days too and it is very interesting and makes sense.

When I was told 6th div needs to be 2130, afterwards I found it, it is in the stronger region, so that makes senses.
I got the name of the clubs and check the teams and found 1800~2200 in that team., so it is very similar to your team too.

Every day, I'm learning something new about different German leagues.
really interesting

 

[Leno]

No changes for Li since April and I'm running into the same issue with Salifou. The site needs to be killed and rebuild from the ground up.

Salifou might due to be inactivity and not premium only shows QTTR and not the current TTR.
Yea, it's kinda messed up that I have that 3 letters limit and you guys don't haha.

 

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Salifou might due to be inactivity and not premium only shows QTTR and not the current TTR.
Yea, it's kinda messed up that I have that 3 letters limit and you guys don't haha.

There are certain players the site refuses to show me their TTR for and I get the error. I don't know why.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Today I was at Cheng’s team, she shared a lot of info to me, including that of players mentality and adjustments required when position and salary changes.

She has played 4 years in 1 Bundesliga Germany already.
So it was quiet nice hearing how she also started year one and now she is a seasoned pro there.

Seems like the biggest issue Asians have is to maintain the quality of training while waiting for the next league match

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

update.
6 high level players schedule for 2nd half.
My goal was to get at least 10 in, so almost there in terms of numbers, but we still need to link them to clubs.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

update.
6 high level players schedule for 2nd half.
My goal was to get at least 10 in, so almost there in terms of numbers, but we still need to link them to clubs.

so looking to get a player to jump the queue and going in for 1st half in Austria already - Nov/Dec.
so he will be number 2. Hopefully the club can confirm these 2 days, and then we need to sort out federation paperworks/clearances.

Then working on 5 new players for 2nd half, plus the 1st player who will likely be welcomed back by the club and maybe the 2nd player would also go back (making it 7 of my target 10)

Last night, Chang (the first player) played 2 singles and a double, winning a single and double, loosing his other single in the decider (first to 6 wins), so far his performance has been a bit below par, but result is good.
I think with nerves getting out of the way (because he just hardly have any international match experience), and when he plays more freely, then we could see the true him.

Holding thumbs.
Herewith the replays.
Match 1:

Match 4 (doubles):

Match 5

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

is there any users from Austria here?

 

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Caught up with Chang's matches you posted today. Seems like good experience for him. Maybe not the stupid decider to 6 (yeah, I dislike it).

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Caught up with Chang's matches you posted today. Seems like good experience for him. Maybe not the stupid decider to 6 (yeah, I dislike it).

so far, he has a slow start and about mid way mark, he will fight back and come back from behind and win it.
so, he needs to work on that and not make careless mistakes early up.

Chang is good enough, but just lack the match experience.
last night, he played again Croatia number 4, which also has on of the highest player rating in the Austria 1st bundesliga at 2539, while Chang is only 2332. It was a tough match for Chang and he lost 0-3.
I had a look Frane Kojic's ITTF match history and he has a lot of good wins and tight draws again top rated world players.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Chang told me, his mindset was all mess up. This was the first time he played at 3, watching his teammate take 2-0 up (previous 2 match night, he played position 1, and was on the table from the get go).
He said, the 2-0 lead got into his head and by the time he realised and tried to adjust, he was 0-2 in games.
He tried to kick start in game 3, but it was too late.
He felt if he had a more neutral mind, he would be able to play freely, but I still believe this is the different of a lack of WTT match experience and exposure to stronger/taller Europeans. The reason why he is in Austria 1st division is to gain that experience, and wins are just a bonus. Of course, he took the singles lost and the doubles lost at heart and even today, he feels terrible about not giving his team a point (the team walked away with a 3-3 draw)

Here is the replay of Chang vs Kojic