Need help with set up

[ohmysigma]

I am a intermediate player, i still dont have a main focus of playstyle as when i play i dont focus on it too much. I often just play safely and in a fun way. I can attack tho, play spinny plays and be able to actually play with offensive players but i focus on just control plays. I currently use yasaka sweden extra with dignics 09c as my fh and fast arc g1 on my bh. Im planning to change my set up to a carbon blade which is DHS Fang Bo B2. I also plan on changing my FH to vega europe. is there more better options price and performance wise as i want to improve the speed of my game without losing too much control. One consideration that i have is the sanwei hinoki carbon blade

 

[greenbeanmachine]

I am a intermediate player, i still dont have a main focus of playstyle

This doesn't particularly sound like an intermediate player to me. Maybe instead of changing equipment, your next step should be strategic -- thinking about your strengths and weaknesses and trying to develop a coherent playing style. Develop some serve-and-third-ball combinations, maybe even some fifth-ball combinations and rally strategies as well. How long have you been playing?

I think a good benchmark (in terms of skill) for what most people consider an "intermediate player" is being able to consistently loop long pushes. In terms of tactics, most intermediate players are familiar with their strengths and weaknesses, and have started to develop combinations and rally strategies that are built around their particular strengths and weaknesses.

I currently use yasaka sweden extra with dignics 09c as my fh and fast arc g1 on my bh. Im planning to change my set up to a carbon blade which is DHS Fang Bo B2. I also plan on changing my FH to vega europe.

This is a very odd equipment setup. What is your logic here? You have very fast rubbers on a very slow blade, and then you want to change to very slow rubbers on a very fast blade. I'd say you should stay with your current setup compared to the switch you have proposed. Vega Europe is a beginner rubber (a pretty bad one imo) and it will not help you in the power department.

If you want to improve speed, you could use the same rubbers on a faster blade. You could also work on improving your technique so you can hit the ball harder. I would really recommend against switching to Vega Europe.

is there more better options price and performance wise

Price-wise, rubbers like Hurricane 3 Neo or Jupiter 3 or Battle 2 or the Rxton Pro series would be your best bet. Hurricane 3 is, of course, the gold standard for a high-quality cost-effective rubber (on forehand at least). Battle 2 makes for a good backhand rubber. Jupiter 3 is more of a hybrid rubber, more like D09c. As an intermediate player myself, I think it's much better to use these rubbers instead of spending an arm and a leg on D09c. I'm not good enough to notice what I'm missing from D09c. Save D09c for when you get a rating of 2000+ .

 

[PenHoldSandro]

back to the basics: an All wood with classic Chinese/Euro rubbers (like Hurricane, TG, Battle, Mark)
For all woods Yinhe is good.

 

[Andrea Jiang]

I am a intermediate player, i still dont have a main focus of playstyle as when i play i dont focus on it too much. I often just play safely and in a fun way. I can attack tho, play spinny plays and be able to actually play with offensive players but i focus on just control plays. I currently use yasaka sweden extra with dignics 09c as my fh and fast arc g1 on my bh. Im planning to change my set up to a carbon blade which is DHS Fang Bo B2. I also plan on changing my FH to vega europe. is there more better options price and performance wise as i want to improve the speed of my game without losing too much control. One consideration that i have is the sanwei hinoki carbon blade

Hello bro, how are you?
I see u want to try SANWEI Hinoki blade, I think I can give you some advice because I'm a big fan of Sanwei hinoki carbon blades in our department.

For now, I use nova carbon, it is a blade that is relatively balanced in defence and control, while its attack properties are very high.

The Cannon Carbon is a nice spin if you like big power and attack, but its control and spin are a little lacking.

Also, if you like making looping, the Hynover is your best choice; Hinoki and ALC are always a good combination for looping.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Hello bro, how are you?
I see u want to try SANWEI Hinoki blade, I think I can give you some advice because I'm a big fan of Sanwei hinoki carbon blades in our department.

For now, I use nova carbon, it is a blade that is relatively balanced in defence and control, while its attack properties are very high.

The Cannon Carbon is a nice spin if you like big power and attack, but its control and spin are a little lacking.

Also, if you like making looping, the Hynover is your best choice; Hinoki and ALC are always a good combination for looping.

I don't think he should go carbon yet, Andrea... recommend him some wood ones, maybe that'll work

 

[Andrea Jiang]

I don't think he should go carbon yet, Andrea... recommend him some wood ones, maybe that'll work

Lol, you are right my friend, but maybe I don't have enough professionalism on all wood blades.

In China, many old players always told the young players to use all wood blades when young ones played table tennis for only 3-4 years, as it is good for them to improve their small detailed skills.

Maybe you could try Echo, it is a great choice, many players love it， and it is a choice that cannot go wrong

 

[ohmysigma]

This doesn't particularly sound like an intermediate player to me. Maybe instead of changing equipment, your next step should be strategic -- thinking about your strengths and weaknesses and trying to develop a coherent playing style. Develop some serve-and-third-ball combinations, maybe even some fifth-ball combinations and rally strategies as well. How long have you been playing?

I think a good benchmark (in terms of skill) for what most people consider an "intermediate player" is being able to consistently loop long pushes. In terms of tactics, most intermediate players are familiar with their strengths and weaknesses, and have started to develop combinations and rally strategies that are built around their particular strengths and weaknesses.


This is a very odd equipment setup. What is your logic here? You have very fast rubbers on a very slow blade, and then you want to change to very slow rubbers on a very fast blade. I'd say you should stay with your current setup compared to the switch you have proposed. Vega Europe is a beginner rubber (a pretty bad one imo) and it will not help you in the power department.

If you want to improve speed, you could use the same rubbers on a faster blade. You could also work on improving your technique so you can hit the ball harder. I would really recommend against switching to Vega Europe.


Price-wise, rubbers like Hurricane 3 Neo or Jupiter 3 or Battle 2 or the Rxton Pro series would be your best bet. Hurricane 3 is, of course, the gold standard for a high-quality cost-effective rubber (on forehand at least). Battle 2 makes for a good backhand rubber. Jupiter 3 is more of a hybrid rubber, more like D09c. As an intermediate player myself, I think it's much better to use these rubbers instead of spending an arm and a leg on D09c. I'm not good enough to notice what I'm missing from D09c. Save D09c for when you get a rating of 2000+ .

ive been playing for over 7 years, i played on and off and i slowly developed my forms. I have some strategies in play and my main weakness is reading side spin haha. I very much didnt understand my current equipments as well thats why im asking for recommendations. Im actually looking forward for a new blade which is Yinhe Pro 01. Another thing that i found hard for me is using dignics thats why i want to change it. I dont feel very much safe looping in it thats why i want to change it to Vega Europe which gives me a safer playstyle. Im just looking forward for a new set up where i can pretty much have spinny and fast balls while also having the safety of control which my yasaka sweden extra could give the control but not much with its spin and speed

 

[ohmysigma]

Lol, you are right my friend, but maybe I don't have enough professionalism on all wood blades.

In China, many old players always told the young players to use all wood blades when young ones played table tennis for only 3-4 years, as it is good for them to improve their small detailed skills.

Maybe you could try Echo, it is a great choice, many players love it， and it is a choice that cannot go wrong

hello! i also considered the sanwei hinoki blade which has the gold and standard wood color if im not mistaken. Im having mixed feelings about it as there could be much greater blades above it such as yinhe pro 01 but thank you for the suggestion D

 

[ohmysigma]

ive been using all wood blade for my entire time in playing table tennis now and im looking forward in using carbon

 

[PenHoldSandro]

ive been using all wood blade for my entire time in playing table tennis now and im looking forward in using carbon

Depends: can you control where the ball lands? I recommend you switch to carbon when you can control wood very well 🗣🔥🔥

 

[greenbeanmachine]

ive been playing for over 7 years, i played on and off and i slowly developed my forms. I have some strategies in play and my main weakness is reading side spin haha. I very much didnt understand my current equipments as well thats why im asking for recommendations. Im actually looking forward for a new blade which is Yinhe Pro 01. Another thing that i found hard for me is using dignics thats why i want to change it. I dont feel very much safe looping in it thats why i want to change it to Vega Europe which gives me a safer playstyle. Im just looking forward for a new set up where i can pretty much have spinny and fast balls while also having the safety of control which my yasaka sweden extra could give the control but not much with its spin and speed

Oh, I see. Yinhe Pro 01 is a good blade for sure, but it may feel less safe for looping. If you want to change to faster equipment, you're gonna have less control, unfortunately.

If you want a rubber that feels safer for looping, Hurricane 3 will probably be a better bet than Vega Europe. Cheaper, too. You could also try Glayzer 09c, which is supposed to be a safer version of Dignics 09c.

 

[ZFT]

You could upgrade within the Yasaka family. Really great value for money, personally I think it’s the best bang for buck out of any manufacturer.

I have recently purchased Extra, Extra 3D and Extra Offensive.

Extra 3D does feel a touch faster while keeping the same construction. It’s more flexible due to the 3 slits so depending on your technique you should get more spin and/or speed at the cost of less blocking stability and blade durability.

Extra Offensive is at least 2 tiers faster with a lower trajectory. Currently I find it less safe for loop killing vs backspin as I keep clipping the top of the net, though as I figure out the technical changes required, it’s resulting in being very safe for slow looping + strong loop drive follow-up.

Ma Lin Soft Carbon keeps the same construction as Extra with the addition of inner thin composite - I don’t have this/never tried but I would think it would give an upgrade in speed and sweet spot with the compromise of less spin and feeling.

 

[ohmysigma]

Oh, I see. Yinhe Pro 01 is a good blade for sure, but it may feel less safe for looping. If you want to change to faster equipment, you're gonna have less control, unfortunately.

If you want a rubber that feels safer for looping, Hurricane 3 will probably be a better bet than Vega Europe. Cheaper, too. You could also try Glayzer 09c, which is supposed to be a safer version of Dignics 09c.

thank you so much for ur advice D, i have a question tho. How do i pick the right hurricane 3? there are many versions of it such as provincial versions and blue sponges which i dont get (i really dont have much knowledge with equipments)

 

[greenbeanmachine]

thank you so much for ur advice D, i have a question tho. How do i pick the right hurricane 3? there are many versions of it such as provincial versions and blue sponges which i dont get (i really dont have much knowledge with equipments)

The normal commericial version (cheapest one) is good enough for me, the only issue is that it's not so consistent between sheets. If you want something that feels the same when you change rubbers, then you can get the provincial version -- provincial version has better quality control. National version has even better quality control but my sense is that it's generally a waste of money unless you're a really high level player or if you can get it on sale.

Blue sponge gives more power and a lower arc than orange sponge. Orange sponge will be closer to the Japanese rubbers that you're already using.

If you don't want to deal with booster, then you should get one labeled "Hurricane 3 NEO". NEO means it's boosted at the factory. You can get the unboosted plain "Hurricane 3" as well but it will be very slow unless you hit hard -- get this if you really want to focus on control.

 

[Tyce]

I wouldn't recommend changing to Hurricane 3 if you have been playing Euro or D09c all your career.
If you do wish to change to Pro 01 keep in mind it's quite a different blade. It would make sense to keep using the same rubbers so you can develop a feeling of the new blades characteristics.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

I wouldn't recommend changing to Hurricane 3 if you have been playing Euro or D09c all your career.
If you do wish to change to Pro 01 keep in mind it's quite a different blade. It would make sense to keep using the same rubbers so you can develop a feeling of the new blades characteristics.

Hurricane 3 is somewhat similar to D09c, it's not too big of a jump to make. Even Timo Boll said that the closest rubber to D09c is Hurricane 3. OP said they want more safety while looping, hence the Hurricane 3 suggestion. Is there a different EuroJap rubber you'd suggest which is more safe for looping than D09c? I can't think of any, except maybe Glazyer 09c.

 

[Tyce]

There's Glayzer 09c indeed. But I'd say do one better and don't change rubber at all. It will be helpful to see if the problem is with the rubber or the blade (it's going to be with the player).

If OP insists on Hurricane 3 I'd highly recommend getting no more than 39d hardness for starters. The Pro 01 really hardens up the feel of rubbers in my experience. So much that it makes my 37d feel close to a 39d instead of a mushy mess. Another example, Ak47 yellow sponge (43 ESN) on Pro 01 feels like ak47 red sponge (46 ESN) on Pro 05.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Hurricane 3 is somewhat similar to D09c, it's not too big of a jump to make. Even Timo Boll said that the closest rubber to D09c is Hurricane 3. OP said they want more safety while looping, hence the Hurricane 3 suggestion. Is there a different EuroJap rubber you'd suggest which is more safe for looping than D09c? I can't think of any, except maybe Glazyer 09c.

For me it looks like its quite a jump. 09c is faster by a lot, and much less tacky and sticky. Though yeah, for a EuroJap rubber 09c is one of the best bets for an H3 imitation

Also, check you messagez bro 😎

 

[ohmysigma]

Hurricane 3 is somewhat similar to D09c, it's not too big of a jump to make. Even Timo Boll said that the closest rubber to D09c is Hurricane 3. OP said they want more safety while looping, hence the Hurricane 3 suggestion. Is there a different EuroJap rubber you'd suggest which is more safe for looping than D09c? I can't think of any, except maybe Glazyer 09c.

i actually want to change dignics thats why im actually asking for a new one, i didnt like the throw angle at all and i see that all my balls go out. I liked its spin, speed,power, and block as i often surprise my opponents that uses carbon blades and fast rubbers compared to my all wood blade. I tried using hurricane 3 commercial version from another player that i knew and it felt way too fast for me, i can put the ball where i want it to be but i get overwhelmed by its speed. Idk if i just need practice to get used to it

 

[ohmysigma]

For me it looks like its quite a jump. 09c is faster by a lot, and much less tacky and sticky. Though yeah, for a EuroJap rubber 09c is one of the best bets for an H3 imitation

Also, check you messagez bro 😎

hello! im actually want to try a new rubber thats different to dignics thats why most of the replies are confused on why i want a slower rubber like vega europe. Also i dont have any messages that i recieved