Petr Korbel Vs Clipper Cr

[Asgerje]

Hi im looking into switching to an all wood blade and found these two.
What are the differences?

 

[Gozo Aruna]

The **Stiga Clipper CR** and the **Butterfly Petr Korbel** are both popular offensive blades, but they offer different playing characteristics. Here’s a comparison:

### **Stiga Clipper CR**
- **Construction**: 7-ply all-wood blade with Crystal Technology on the outer layers (which enhances speed).
- **Speed**: Fast, known for its powerful shots, especially in close-to-mid-range play.
- **Control**: Good control for an offensive blade, but the speed can make it harder to handle for some players.
- **Feel**: A bit harder due to the Crystal Technology, but still maintains good feedback for offensive, looping players.
- **Best for**: Aggressive, fast attackers who rely on powerful loops and smashes, especially from mid-distance.

### **Butterfly Petr Korbel**
- **Construction**: 5-ply all-wood blade, which gives it a softer and more controlled feel compared to the Clipper CR.
- **Speed**: Slower than the Clipper CR but offers better touch and control, particularly useful for versatile, all-round offensive players.
- **Control**: High control, great for players who like to place shots with precision and focus on spin.
- **Feel**: Softer feel, with excellent feedback on every shot, making it popular for players who prefer to spin and control rather than hit outright winners.
- **Best for**: All-round offensive players who like to balance speed, spin, and control, and play closer to the table or mid-range.

### **Which to choose?**
- If you prioritize **speed and power** with a bit of extra hardness in feel, the **Stiga Clipper CR** would be better.
- If you prefer **control, spin, and versatility**, with a softer and more balanced feel, the **Butterfly Petr Korbel** is likely the better choice.

It depends on your playstyle—**Clipper CR** for aggressive attackers, **Petr Korbel** for all-round, control-oriented players.

Yours truly,
ChatGPT

 

[Asgerje]

The **Stiga Clipper CR** and the **Butterfly Petr Korbel** are both popular offensive blades, but they offer different playing characteristics. Here’s a comparison:

### **Stiga Clipper CR**
- **Construction**: 7-ply all-wood blade with Crystal Technology on the outer layers (which enhances speed).
- **Speed**: Fast, known for its powerful shots, especially in close-to-mid-range play.
- **Control**: Good control for an offensive blade, but the speed can make it harder to handle for some players.
- **Feel**: A bit harder due to the Crystal Technology, but still maintains good feedback for offensive, looping players.
- **Best for**: Aggressive, fast attackers who rely on powerful loops and smashes, especially from mid-distance.

### **Butterfly Petr Korbel**
- **Construction**: 5-ply all-wood blade, which gives it a softer and more controlled feel compared to the Clipper CR.
- **Speed**: Slower than the Clipper CR but offers better touch and control, particularly useful for versatile, all-round offensive players.
- **Control**: High control, great for players who like to place shots with precision and focus on spin.
- **Feel**: Softer feel, with excellent feedback on every shot, making it popular for players who prefer to spin and control rather than hit outright winners.
- **Best for**: All-round offensive players who like to balance speed, spin, and control, and play closer to the table or mid-range.

### **Which to choose?**
- If you prioritize **speed and power** with a bit of extra hardness in feel, the **Stiga Clipper CR** would be better.
- If you prefer **control, spin, and versatility**, with a softer and more balanced feel, the **Butterfly Petr Korbel** is likely the better choice.

It depends on your playstyle—**Clipper CR** for aggressive attackers, **Petr Korbel** for all-round, control-oriented players.

Yours truly,
ChatGPT

What about clipper wood?

 

[Gozo Aruna]

What about clipper wood?

should be same as CR.

 

[Asgerje]

should be same as CR.

So what is the difference between clipper wood and clipper cr?

 

[Gozo Aruna]

So what is the difference between clipper wood and clipper cr?

The **Stiga Clipper Wood** and **Stiga Clipper CR** are both part of the Clipper series but differ in terms of speed, feel, and their intended playing style. Here's a breakdown:

### **Stiga Clipper Wood**
- **Construction**: 7-ply all-wood blade.
- **Speed**: Fast but slightly slower than the Clipper CR. It provides more control compared to the CR.
- **Feel**: Softer, more traditional wooden feel. The lack of Crystal Technology gives it a bit more feedback and a more solid touch for controlled shots.
- **Control**: Better control than the CR version due to the softer feel, making it more forgiving for players who value placement over sheer speed.
- **Best for**: Players who want a balanced mix of speed and control, with a preference for a classic wood feel. It's great for looping and offensive play while maintaining some flexibility for control shots.

### **Stiga Clipper CR**
- **Construction**: 7-ply all-wood blade with Crystal Technology on the outer layers, which increases surface hardness and speed.
- **Speed**: Faster than the Clipper Wood due to the Crystal Technology that enhances the blade’s speed potential, especially in powerful strokes like smashes and fast loops.
- **Feel**: Harder feel compared to the Clipper Wood. It sacrifices some control for extra speed but is still manageable for experienced offensive players.
- **Control**: Slightly less control than the Clipper Wood because of its higher speed, but still good for offensive players who are comfortable with fast blades.
- **Best for**: Aggressive attackers who prioritize speed and want to dominate with fast shots, especially in mid-to-far distance rallies.

### **Key Differences**
- **Speed**: Clipper CR is faster due to Crystal Technology, while Clipper Wood is slightly slower but offers more control.
- **Feel**: Clipper Wood has a softer, more traditional feel; Clipper CR has a harder, more modern feel.
- **Control**: Clipper Wood offers better control, while the CR is more suited for players who can handle a fast blade.

### Which to Choose?
- Go for the **Clipper Wood** if you want more control and a classic wooden feel with balanced offense.

Yours sincerely,
Chat-GPT

 

[Asgerje]

The **Stiga Clipper Wood** and **Stiga Clipper CR** are both part of the Clipper series but differ in terms of speed, feel, and their intended playing style. Here's a breakdown:

### **Stiga Clipper Wood**
- **Construction**: 7-ply all-wood blade.
- **Speed**: Fast but slightly slower than the Clipper CR. It provides more control compared to the CR.
- **Feel**: Softer, more traditional wooden feel. The lack of Crystal Technology gives it a bit more feedback and a more solid touch for controlled shots.
- **Control**: Better control than the CR version due to the softer feel, making it more forgiving for players who value placement over sheer speed.
- **Best for**: Players who want a balanced mix of speed and control, with a preference for a classic wood feel. It's great for looping and offensive play while maintaining some flexibility for control shots.

### **Stiga Clipper CR**
- **Construction**: 7-ply all-wood blade with Crystal Technology on the outer layers, which increases surface hardness and speed.
- **Speed**: Faster than the Clipper Wood due to the Crystal Technology that enhances the blade’s speed potential, especially in powerful strokes like smashes and fast loops.
- **Feel**: Harder feel compared to the Clipper Wood. It sacrifices some control for extra speed but is still manageable for experienced offensive players.
- **Control**: Slightly less control than the Clipper Wood because of its higher speed, but still good for offensive players who are comfortable with fast blades.
- **Best for**: Aggressive attackers who prioritize speed and want to dominate with fast shots, especially in mid-to-far distance rallies.

### **Key Differences**
- **Speed**: Clipper CR is faster due to Crystal Technology, while Clipper Wood is slightly slower but offers more control.
- **Feel**: Clipper Wood has a softer, more traditional feel; Clipper CR has a harder, more modern feel.
- **Control**: Clipper Wood offers better control, while the CR is more suited for players who can handle a fast blade.

### Which to Choose?
- Go for the **Clipper Wood** if you want more control and a classic wooden feel with balanced offense.

Yours sincerely,
Chat-GPT

Thanks!

 

[Asgerje]

The **Stiga Clipper Wood** and **Stiga Clipper CR** are both part of the Clipper series but differ in terms of speed, feel, and their intended playing style. Here's a breakdown:

### **Stiga Clipper Wood**
- **Construction**: 7-ply all-wood blade.
- **Speed**: Fast but slightly slower than the Clipper CR. It provides more control compared to the CR.
- **Feel**: Softer, more traditional wooden feel. The lack of Crystal Technology gives it a bit more feedback and a more solid touch for controlled shots.
- **Control**: Better control than the CR version due to the softer feel, making it more forgiving for players who value placement over sheer speed.
- **Best for**: Players who want a balanced mix of speed and control, with a preference for a classic wood feel. It's great for looping and offensive play while maintaining some flexibility for control shots.

### **Stiga Clipper CR**
- **Construction**: 7-ply all-wood blade with Crystal Technology on the outer layers, which increases surface hardness and speed.
- **Speed**: Faster than the Clipper Wood due to the Crystal Technology that enhances the blade’s speed potential, especially in powerful strokes like smashes and fast loops.
- **Feel**: Harder feel compared to the Clipper Wood. It sacrifices some control for extra speed but is still manageable for experienced offensive players.
- **Control**: Slightly less control than the Clipper Wood because of its higher speed, but still good for offensive players who are comfortable with fast blades.
- **Best for**: Aggressive attackers who prioritize speed and want to dominate with fast shots, especially in mid-to-far distance rallies.

### **Key Differences**
- **Speed**: Clipper CR is faster due to Crystal Technology, while Clipper Wood is slightly slower but offers more control.
- **Feel**: Clipper Wood has a softer, more traditional feel; Clipper CR has a harder, more modern feel.
- **Control**: Clipper Wood offers better control, while the CR is more suited for players who can handle a fast blade.

### Which to Choose?
- Go for the **Clipper Wood** if you want more control and a classic wooden feel with balanced offense.

Yours sincerely,
Chat-GPT

What about Stiga intensity NCT?
Is there a big difference between Intensity NCT & Clipper wood?

 

[Gozo Aruna]

What about Stiga intensity NCT?
Is there a big difference between Intensity NCT & Clipper wood?

The **Stiga Intensity NCT** and the **Stiga Clipper Wood** are both high-performance offensive blades, but they cater to slightly different playstyles. Here’s how they compare:

### **Stiga Intensity NCT**
- **Construction**: 5-ply wood blade with Stiga’s Nano Composite Technology (NCT), which adds a layer of hardness and speed to the blade.
- **Speed**: Fast, but slightly less powerful than the Clipper Wood due to its 5-ply construction. The NCT coating, however, increases its speed compared to traditional 5-ply blades.
- **Feel**: Medium-hard feel, enhanced by the NCT, but still retains some softness due to the 5-ply composition. It offers good feedback and touch, especially for spin-based play.
- **Control**: Offers a good balance between speed and control. The 5-ply design gives it a bit more dwell time for generating spin and precision, which is beneficial for players who emphasize control and placement.
- **Best for**: Spin-oriented offensive players who value speed but also want control and the ability to play with touch. It’s great for close-to-mid distance play and excels in looping and spin variation.

### **Stiga Clipper Wood**
- **Construction**: 7-ply all-wood blade, making it slightly heavier and thicker compared to 5-ply blades like the Intensity NCT.
- **Speed**: Faster than the Intensity NCT, thanks to the 7-ply construction that gives it more power, especially in harder shots like smashes

Yours sincerely,
Chat-GPT

 

[Federal_Agent]

Gosto de 2 modelos:
1) Nittaku acústico;
2) CYbershape wood

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

What about Stiga intensity NCT?
Is there a big difference between Intensity NCT & Clipper wood?

One problem here as I see it is: the person who is answering your questions has not tried either blade. He is using an AI robot to answer your questions.

It would actually be better for you, if you were able to try some of the equipment you are interested in trying.

Words don't answer the real questions. Feeling the equipment and seeing how it works for you is much more useful.

Do you play in a club? If yes, start asking people if you can take a few hits with their setup and try as many different setups as you can to see what feels best to you.

And I would put money on it that if you tried 10 Clipper CRs, 10 Korbels, and 10 Clipper Woods, there would be some Clipper Woods faster than some of the Clipper CRs, Some Korbels faster than some of the Clipper CRs.

Wood construction of Clipper CR and Clipper Wood is: Limba-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Limba

So, it is 7 plies. Limba on top and all the plies under are Ayous.

CR is a treatment to harden the top ply of the Clipper. From my experience owning and trying many Clippers Wood, CR etc, CR treatment causes minimal change to the top ply. Stiga just likes to promote novel things as big technology. Here is a quote of what CR actually is from STIGA:

"The Clipper CR has the CR-system, a revolution in blade technology. The front part of the blade is UV-finished, which yields a reasonably increased speed to the ball (at least 21% faster than a conventional blade)."

So CR is not crystals as Gozo's Chatbot has said. CR is a UV treatment. I will translate, they treated the top ply with LIGHT to age the wood and remove some of the moisture. There are other treatments that add "crystals to the glue Stiga uses to make the glue between plies harder. But those are different treatments. So, it is possible that Gozo's chatbot just pulled the wrong information since that is all it is doing is compiling information for random sources (some of those sources may be more reliable than others). NCT is a Stiga treatment that they say adds crystals to the top ply but it is really just a hard sealant added to the top ply. I don't know that any "crystals" are actually used or even what Stiga means when they say "crystals" in relation to the NCT top ply treatment.

Another thing you might want to know: the Clipper blades are 7mm thick. For most shakehand players 7mm is thick for a blade and it feels awkward in your hand when you are doing certain things. Gozo uses a blade that is 10mm thick so he might not notice this. But if he ever used a normal blade and then tried a Clipper, he might feel the difference.

Butterfly lists the thickness of the Korbel blade as 5.9mm. I thought I remembered them to be 6.2 or 6.4 mm. But Butterfly may know what they make. Anyway, 5.9mm is a fairly normal thickness.

Korbel's ply construction is: Limba-Limba-Ayous-Limba-Limba

So, 5 plies. That and the larger head size and thinner blade face would make it more flexible, better for looping and allow you to generate more spin. But the Clipper being thicker, smaller blade face and less flexible would make it more impactful in drive loops and flatter hits.

And again, in the end, it would be worth you finding some way to see about getting a bunch of people, like club mates, to let you try their setups so you can get a more accurate view of what actually feels good to you and what might work for your game. Because words are really only words.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

One problem here as I see it is: the person who is answering your questions has not tried either blade. He is using an AI robot to answer your questions.

It would actually be better for you, if you were able to try some of the equipment you are interested in trying.

Words don't answer the real questions. Feeling the equipment and seeing how it works for you is much more useful.

Do you play in a club? If yes, start asking people if you can take a few hits with their setup and try as many different setups as you can to see what feels best to you.

And I would put money on it that if you tried 10 Clipper CRs, 10 Korbels, and 10 Clipper Woods, there would be some Clipper Woods faster than some of the Clipper CRs, Some Korbels faster than some of the Clipper CRs.

Wood construction of Clipper CR and Clipper Wood is: Limba-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Limba

So, it is 7 plies. Limba on top and all the plies under are Ayous.

CR is a treatment to harden the top ply of the Clipper. From my experience owning and trying many Clippers Wood, CR etc, CR treatment causes minimal change to the top ply. Stiga just likes to promote novel things as big technology. Here is a quote of what CR actually is from STIGA:

"The Clipper CR has the CR-system, a revolution in blade technology. The front part of the blade is UV-finished, which yields a reasonably increased speed to the ball (at least 21% faster than a conventional blade)."

So CR is not crystals as Gozo's Chatbot has said. CR is a UV treatment. I will translate, the treated the top ply with LIGHT to age the wood and remove some of the moisture. There are other treatments that add "crystals to the glue Stiga uses to make the glue between plies harder. But those are different treatments. So, it is possible that Gozo's chatbot just pulled the wrong information since that is all it is doing is compiling information for random sources (some of those sources may be more reliable than others).

Another thing you might want to know: the Clipper blades are 7mm thick. For most shakehand players 7mm is thick for a blade and it feels awkward in your hand when you are doing certain things. Gozo uses a blade that is 10mm thick so he might not notice this. But if he ever used a normal blade and then tried a Clipper, he might feel the difference.

Butterfly lists the thickness of the Korbel blade as 5.9mm. I thought I remembered them to be 6.2 or 6.4 mm. But Butterfly may know what they make. Anyway, 5.9mm is a fairly normal thickness.

Korbel's ply construction is: Limba-Limba-Ayous-Limba-Limba

So, 5 plies. That and the larger head size and thinner blade face would make it more flexible, better for looping and allow you to generate more spin. But the Clipper being thicker, smaller blade face and less flexible would make it more impactful in drive loops and flatter hits.

And again, in the end, it would be worth you finding some way to see about getting a bunch of people, like club mates, to let you try their setups so you can get a more accurate view of what actually feels good to you and what might work for your game. Because words are really only words.

One problem I see here is that the person asking the question does not pick up the clue that the answer given are AI generated despite such a glaring clue was given.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Gosto de 2 modelos:
1) Nittaku acústico;
2) CYbershape wood

If English is hard for you, I recommend you use a translator to traslate from Portuguese into English. This is an English Language site. For those of you who did not understand what Federal Agent wrote, here is a translation:

I like 2 models:
1) Nittaku Acoustic ;
2) Cybershape wood

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

One problem I see here is that the person asking the question does not pick up the clue that the answer given are AI generated despite such a glaring clue was given.

I agree with you on that.

 

[Manto76]

It looks like you'll be moving from a Balsa-Carbon blade. Blades with that construction are often used by players who favour a fast, flat-hitting, punch-blocking style.

If that's true of you, then a 7-ply (like a Clipper) might be a more comfortable transition for you.

I'm not suggesting that a 7-ply isn't suitable for a spin/loop game (it certainly can be), just that if there was a spectrum of blades that had Balsa-Carbon at one end (i.e. as very suited to flat/hitting play), and flexible 5-ply all-wood at the other end (i.e. very suited to variable spin play), then your current blade and the 5-ply Korbel are about as far apart as two blades can be on that spectrum. Clipper (or similar) would be somewhere in between, and might be a more comfortable change for you.

On the other hand, Balsa-Carbon blades are usually very light, and the change to a Clipper (which can be quite heavy) might affect your play more than you'd guess.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

I agree with you on that.

One reason I use the Chat-GPT answer is to subtly show fellow forumers and future forumers that all this similar type of question such as: Which is better? Blade A or B? Rubber X or Y can be easily obtained from AI chat bot program such as Chat-GPT ver 4.0.

Some may not get the hint, but hopefully majority gets the hint.

 

[Asgerje]

It looks like you'll be moving from a Balsa-Carbon blade. Blades with that construction are often used by players who favour a fast, flat-hitting, punch-blocking style.

If that's true of you, then a 7-ply (like a Clipper) might be a more comfortable transition for you.

I'm not suggesting that a 7-ply isn't suitable for a spin/loop game (it certainly can be), just that if there was a spectrum of blades that had Balsa-Carbon at one end (i.e. as very suited to flat/hitting play), and flexible 5-ply all-wood at the other end (i.e. very suited to variable spin play), then your current blade and the 5-ply Korbel are about as far apart as two blades can be on that spectrum. Clipper (or similar) would be somewhere in between, and might be a more comfortable change for you.

On the other hand, Balsa-Carbon blades are usually very light, and the change to a Clipper (which can be quite heavy) might affect your play more than you'd guess.

Hi
I actually nearly only loop when playing and the only time i dont is when using my bachand and then its mostly for blocking/opening or if i want to do a faster but more controlled shot so do you still think i should use the clipper instead of korbel?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Hi
I actually nearly only loop when playing and the only time i dont is when using my bachand and then its mostly for blocking/opening or if i want to do a faster but more controlled shot so do you still think i should use the clipper instead of korbel?

I still am going to assert, you are approaching the issue of what equipment to use from the wrong perspective. Anyone who tells you what to use without seeing you play, is giving you faulty information. Anyone who tells you what equipment to use between two specific blades (in this scenario Clipper vs Korbel) without seeing how you do in match play against several different opponents with each blade set up with the same rubbers, would also be doing you a disservice.

Please feel free to post video footage. But people still won't be able to give you an answer that is actually valid and actionable based on just a little video footage.

What you should do is see if you can find people who will let you try their setups and see what works best for you; what feels best to you, and if you like the setup enough, maybe you get the person lending you the racket (blade and rubbers) to let you play a match or two with it to see how well you play in a match scenario with the equipment.

Sometimes something that feels great for a few hits is not good for matchplay. This is especially the case for newer players who have not tried to many different setups.

What someone tells you without seeing you play and without seeing you play with the two blades in question: you should not trust that information.

I know this doesn't help you make a choice as to which blade you should buy. But it is information that is more real than what think you want.

 

[Manto76]

Hi
I actually nearly only loop when playing and the only time i dont is when using my bachand and then its mostly for blocking/opening or if i want to do a faster but more controlled shot so do you still think i should use the clipper instead of korbel?

My point is just that a Clipper (or similar) might be an easier change for you, provided you're okay with the heavier blade.

You can certainly play a very good looping game with a 7-ply all-wood. I've never played with a Clipper, but I've used other 7-ply wood blades, and found them very pleasant looping blades.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

One reason I use the Chat-GPT answer is to subtly show fellow forumers and future forumers that all this similar type of question such as: Which is better? Blade A or B? Rubber X or Y can be easily obtained from AI chat bot program such as Chat-GPT ver 4.0.

Some may not get the hint, but hopefully majority gets the hint.

While I do agree that the OP didn't seem to get that you were just posting information that Chat-GPT gave you without you really knowing anything about either blade, you also could have said:

"I have never tried these blades but here is what an AI Bot has compiled." So that you were also making it clear that you had not tested either blade and that what you were posting was not something you had any knowledge or understanding of. After all, it is possible that there is someone out there on the internet who doesn't know what Chat-GPT is.

And one of the things that is completely overlooked when stating that you don't need humans for the kind of inquiry Asgerje is asking for is:

1) Chat-GPT got what CR is completely wrong. CR is not crystals. It is UV light.
2) Chat-GPT would never be able to get Asgerje to feel the two blades and see which one he actually wants and also is not going to suggest he do that.
3) I don't think Chat-GPT could analyze video footage of Asgerge's game play and sort out anything about what equipment might be useful to him.

So, while those answers, in many way, were useful, they were incomplete and having a human actually give certain kinds of information might be more useful in the long run.

Asgerje, you should go try some rackets from people at clubs near you. It is more than likely that will be the best way to figure out some equipment that might be most useful to you and in the long run, if you do, it will save you a lot of wasted time and money.