Primorac Carbon or similar with rakza 7/X soft rubbers

[Rob_TT]

Hello,

Has anyone been able to try the Primorac Carbon or similar with Rakza 7/X Soft (MAX)?
How much are they able to reduce the speed of this blade?
I would like to add more ball contact time to my spin and reduce the speed but without it being excessive.

I have ITC Athena Platinum blade limited edition(It has a composition almost the same as Primorac carbon.) and Xiom OMEGA III PRO FH/BH

Thanks

 

[mr_rage]

Tacky rubber is the first thing come in mind when finding rubber to reduce the speed for any fast blade, because it has very long dwell time. As my experience, the dwell time is from high -> low (or speed low -> high) from left to right for these type of rubber:

Unboosted tacky -> boosted tacky -> hybrid (J3, rakza Z, dig09c) -> old gen tensor(g1, rakza7, ten05) -> new gen tensor (hammond z2, rakza xx, mxd, dig05) -> boosted tensor (mxp, any rubber with "pro" in the name)

 

[JJ Ng]

Tacky rubber is the first thing come in mind when finding rubber to reduce the speed for any fast blade, because it has very long dwell time. As my experience, the dwell time is from high -> low (or speed low -> high) from left to right for these type of rubber:

Unboosted tacky -> boosted tacky -> hybrid (J3, rakza Z, dig09c) -> old gen tensor(g1, rakza7, ten05) -> new gen tensor (hammond z2, rakza xx, mxd, dig05) -> boosted tensor (mxp, any rubber with "pro" in the name)

Agree with tacky rubber on the forehand side. For fast blades, my backhand go to rubber is Xiom Vega Europe. Cheap (compared to other newer ESN rubbers), soft, easy to use and not too catapulty.

 

[Rob_TT]

Agree with tacky rubber on the forehand side. For fast blades, my backhand go to rubber is Xiom Vega Europe. Cheap (compared to other newer ESN rubbers), soft, easy to use and not too catapulty.

I have read in other posts of yours that you have tried practically all the Rakzas, 7, X, soft versions.
I have not tried soft rubbers yet, I have been reading all the forums for several months looking for technical information on what is more important for the speed , rubbers or blade.

My current rubbers are Xiom Omega III Pro, with hardness of 47º. I understand that soft rubbers can reduce the speed, the important thing is to know more or less what percentage can be reduced. I have read all kinds of opinions about the Rakza 7, X Soft, that they are very slow, that they are very fast, I suppose that all this depends on the appreciation of each person and on which blade have been tested.

That's why I would like to know what sensation these rubbers have on a paddle like the Primorac Carbon, classified as OFF+. Will there be too much difference between my current rubbers and these softer rubbers? Thanks

 

[JJ Ng]

I have read in other posts of yours that you have tried practically all the Rakzas, 7, X, soft versions.
I have not tried soft rubbers yet, I have been reading all the forums for several months looking for technical information on what is more important for the speed , rubbers or blade.

My current rubbers are Xiom Omega III Pro, with hardness of 47º. I understand that soft rubbers can reduce the speed, the important thing is to know more or less what percentage can be reduced. I have read all kinds of opinions about the Rakza 7, X Soft, that they are very slow, that they are very fast, I suppose that all this depends on the appreciation of each person and on which blade have been tested.

That's why I would like to know what sensation these rubbers have on a paddle like the Primorac Carbon, classified as OFF+. Will there be too much difference between my current rubbers and these softer rubbers? Thanks

So the interesting thing is that soft rubber has higher speed when you hit the ball with your blade at lower speed (because softer rubber like Rakza 7 soft and Rakza X soft have that catapult effects). Harder rubber has higher top end speed but only if you hit it hard.

I have used Xiom Vega Pro. I have not tried Xiom Omega III pro.

Knowing that, I feel that Rakza 7 is slightly slower than Xiom Vega Pro so maybe it is slightly slower than Xiom Omega III pro as well?

Interestingly I find Rakza X soft to be much faster than Rakza 7 soft. I cannot control the former but I can control the latter.

Finally, Rakza series are known for how durable they are. They just would not die!

So if you try Rakza 7 regular forehand and Rakza 7 soft backhand, that sounds like a pretty good set up. I think X is faster than 7 and has lower arc than 7 as well.

 

[Rob_TT]

So the interesting thing is that soft rubber has higher speed when you hit the ball with your blade at lower speed (because softer rubber like Rakza 7 soft and Rakza X soft have that catapult effects). Harder rubber has higher top end speed but only if you hit it hard.

I have used Xiom Vega Pro. I have not tried Xiom Omega III pro.

Knowing that, I feel that Rakza 7 is slightly slower than Xiom Vega Pro so maybe it is slightly slower than Xiom Omega III pro as well?

Interestingly I find Rakza X soft to be much faster than Rakza 7 soft. I cannot control the former but I can control the latter.

Finally, Rakza series are known for how durable they are. They just would not die!

So if you try Rakza 7 regular forehand and Rakza 7 soft backhand, that sounds like a pretty good set up. I think X is faster than 7 and has lower arc than 7 as well.

OMEGA III PRO was launch out last year, according to the Xiom catalog they have a speed of 8.6, the Vega X has 8.4 , VEGA PRO , 7,2 (-14% speed)

The Omega III are good rubbers, they have a lot of control, good spin but you need a good technique to get all potential of them with the blade that I have.

My blade has 5 layers, a 3.7mm kiri core, 0.15mm carbon and 1.5mm hinoki kiso , ITC Athena Platinum , made in korea. Excellent blade , good construction with kiso hinoki. A limited edition that is almost impossible to get right now

Right now I would like to have more contact time with the ball in both FH and BH and reduce the speed by 15-20%.

I have clear that the 7 soft can go in BH but I am unsure between X soft and 7 for my FH, if X soft will be too slow or 7 too fast or with little contact time.

 

[JJ Ng]

OMEGA III PRO was launch out last year, according to the Xiom catalog they have a speed of 8.6, the Vega X has 8.4 , VEGA PRO , 7,2 (-14% speed)

The Omega III are good rubbers, they have a lot of control, good spin but you need a good technique to get all potential of them with the blade that I have.

My blade has 5 layers, a 3.7mm kiri core, 0.15mm carbon and 1.5mm hinoki kiso , ITC Athena Platinum , made in korea. Excellent blade , good construction with kiso hinoki. A limited edition that is almost impossible to get right now

Right now I would like to have more contact time with the ball in both FH and BH and reduce the speed by 15-20%.

I have clear that the 7 soft can go in BH but I am unsure between X soft and 7 for my FH, if X soft will be too slow or 7 too fast or with little contact time.

Generally, forehand rubber should be a couple degrees harder than the backhand rubber. So if you pick Rakza 7 soft on the BH side, I don't see why you should not give Rakza 7 regular a shot on the forehand side.

 

[Rob_TT]

Generally, forehand rubber should be a couple degrees harder than the backhand rubber. So if you pick Rakza 7 soft on the BH side, I don't see why you should not give Rakza 7 regular a shot on the forehand side.

I have doubts about whether to put Rakza X soft or Rakza 7 in FH. Maybe the speed of the Rakza X soft is enough and it has better contact time with the ball than the Rakza 7. Rakza X soft is a bit harder than Rakza 7 soft

With the Rakza 7 the doubt if is that the same thing will happen to me as now, that I lack a little more contact with the ball to be able to lift the balls that come with backspin

Thanks for your answers! your contributions are appreciated

 

[Dominikk85]

I would say if you need to slow down a primorac carbon you are probably not ready to play it.

 

[Rob_TT]

I would say if you need to slow down a primorac carbon you are probably not ready to play it.

I've been playing with my new blade for a year, maybe I'll combine it with some rubbers that weren't suitable for the type of game I play, so I'm looking for a rubber that has more contact time with the ball and is a little slower. I'm happy with the blade but I think I need to put in some different rubbers that are more suited to my game. Everyone says a hard blade and soft rubbers is a good combination. With the new rubber I don't want to lose too much speed.

 

[Lazer]

I've been playing with my new blade for a year, maybe I'll combine it with some rubbers that weren't suitable for the type of game I play, so I'm looking for a rubber that has more contact time with the ball and is a little slower. I'm happy with the blade but I think I need to put in some different rubbers that are more suited to my game. Everyone says a hard blade and soft rubbers is a good combination. With the new rubber I don't want to lose too much speed.

Primo carbon has an hinoki outer layer so it is definitely not hard, but it may be a bit stiff.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Rob_TT]

Primo carbon has an hinoki outer layer so it is definitely not hard, but it may be a bit stiff.

Cheers
L-zr

Yes , Hinoki is soft , the blade is stiff

This analysis of the blade is interesting

How different is Butterfly ‘Primorac Carbon’ from other fiber blades? [Lab Test Report]

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