Rasanter R45

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How does R45 play against rakza 7 and joola rhyzer pro 45? I tested both (on a slower blade than mine though) and I liked them) I am using right now a DHS gold arc 5 in my blade, and I would like something softer and only a bit faster than it, nothing too springy. Does this rubber fits this description?
I don't have a R45 rasanter, but I have a R50 and I once played Gold Arc 5. I think it will be much faster and spin much stronger. Probably Rakza 7 soft will be closer
 
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Hi, I tested Rakza 7 recently and I though it had a really "squishy" feeling. Can someone tell me if Rasant R45 has this same type of feeling?
R45 is a totally different rubber and it doesn´t feel like Rakza 7.
Still if you don´t like Rakza 7 it doesn´t mean you will automatically like R45 ;-)
And as for your question above how it compares to Gold Arc 5, I couldn´t say because I never tried GA 5. But I tried GA 8 once, quite like it, but thought it reminded me of older generation rubbers like Tibhar Genius. The Rasanter rubbers, especially those with Energy Cell sponge, are a good step onwards in terms of power and spin.
 
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2021 seems to provide a few very interesting new rubbers other than all the hybrids after all.
TIBHAR Evolution MX-D should by all means appear as a fixed star on many forehands when the halls re-open and the leagues are in full swing again.
And andro presents Rasanter R45, a rubber to provide new options for many players on backhand particularly, but not necessarily only there.

I am no professional player, but most my training partners are, means they consider me good enough for sparring and the quality of their game lets me shine a little, too. What you read in the following combines impressions from different skill levels up to Bundesliga in Germany.
At the end of 2 days of intensive testing, I arrived at a surprising conclusion: this new rubber is able to fit the needs of three different types of players.

Players who use soft rubbers (around 42,5 degree sponge hardness), but want more power
Players who use medium rubbers (aorund 45 degrees), but always miss „something“ while it´s hard to pin down what that „something“ is
Players who use medium/hard rubbers (around the 47,5 degree mark) who are looking for more control without sacrifing too much power

R45 vs. soft rubbers

I am no expert for soft rubbers, most of them just feel to mushy overall. I know only one 42,5 degree rubber that I really like, and I prefer a Tibhar Evolution FX-P to all the others I know, just because it feels more compact.
R45 is of course harder, but I am sure most players could handle that as the next step. It offers more power and more spin than its close relative R42, which has an identical top sheet.

R45 vs. other "around 45 degree" rubbers

With andro´s new ENERGY CELL sponge, the rubbers feel softer than you´d expect especially on topspin, not softer overall. An R53 does not play like a 50 degree rubber, an R48 does not play like a 45 degree rubber (if somebody could pin down what „a“ 45 degree rubber is, given that there are so many).

I can best compare R45 to two TIBHAR rubbers (Aurus Select and EL-S) and Hexer Grip.
I like Aurus Prime, but Aurus Select always felt just „nice“, for lack of better word. It does everything, nothing too well, nothing really bad. R45 has way more punch and spin than that, and I´d say it also outclasses EL-S in terms of spin. It is more linear than the latter, which i soften described as giving too much catapult after the first topspin in open rallyes. R45 is stable. As for spin, I think it also out-performs t05fx.

You would expect R45 to be superior to Hexer Grip in terms of spin and speed, and it is. But where would you benefit most? Actually, where you probably don´t dare to go too often with a medium rubber, away from the table.
With Hexer Grip, you´d loop from way down with an open rubber, to put balls on the table, yet not very dangerous balls. With R45 you can still put pressure on your opponent with power spins. There are boundaries of course, but the range most of us mere mortals have is well covered.

R45 vs. harder rubbers

I felt the biggest surprise when comparing R45 to its bigger siblings R47 and R48, as well as a Rhyzer 2.0 (R45 ultramax).
The overall balance of its properties makes R45 a real alternative for this segment, too – if you are looking to gain some control while not loosing too much performance.

Maybe if you play with a 47,5 degree rubber with stiff topsheet you´ll play a few strokes and say „too soft“. One of my training partners said that non-surprisingly, coming from R53. But another, who normally uses Friendship Battle 2, would prefer R45 to R48, and she tested on blades that are not too far apart.

If you play with a rubber that has a soft topsheet you may find that R45 is a great alternative.

I am as surprised as convinced and do not regret testing this rubber. It´s a keeper.
How about r45 vs c45 for bh?
 

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How about r45 vs c45 for bh?
I have used the R45 (max) on my bh on a Stiga Rosewood NCT VII, and my conclusion is that it has too much catapult effect for my liking. That's subjective of course. Especially after 2-3 months and the sponge starts to be loose, then it's difficult (at least for me) to execute shots like chop-blocks, short blocks, and short game in general.
It does have a lot of power on the other end, and it's easy to perform bh punches; the spin is also quite good, but it's generated with the sponge engagement, this is by design as the top sheet is thinner by construction. The grippiness of the top sheet is not the highest even among other ESN rubbers (1.390 Kg see video review). I've tried Stiga DNA Platinum S after the R45 and for me it's much more balanced, it's a little slower but I can do everything with it, with ease. I'm going to try Tibhar FX-D next.
 
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I have used the R45 (max) on my bh on a Stiga Rosewood NCT VII, and my conclusion is that it has too much catapult effect for my liking. That's subjective of course. Especially after 2-3 months and the sponge starts to be loose, then it's difficult (at least for me) to execute shots like chop-blocks, short blocks, and short game in general.
It does have a lot of power on the other end, and it's easy to perform bh punches; the spin is also quite good, but it's generated with the sponge engagement, this is by design as the top sheet is thinner by construction. The grippiness of the top sheet is not the highest even among other ESN rubbers (1.390 Kg see video review). I've tried Stiga DNA Platinum S after the R45 and for me it's much more balanced, it's a little slower but I can do everything with it, with ease. I'm going to try Tibhar FX-D next.
Do these guys have a spreadsheet of sorts over the different rubbers they have tested and their scores in comparison?
 

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Do these guys have a spreadsheet of sorts over the different rubbers they have tested and their scores in comparison?
I wish. Maybe we should start one online as a collaborative effort😀
 
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How about r45 vs c45 for bh?
C45 is very grippy, though not really sticky, and its catapult is lower than that of R45.
As all these different "hybrid" rubbers, it demands and rewards active play.
For me this is really the make it or break it argument: If you play spinblocks and counter topspins on incoming balls "hybrid" can be for you. If your backhand is for pushing and passive blocking, then maybe better stick to something "normal", if you were used to that.
Technology has of course advanced, so "hybrid" comes in all facettes now, not only sticky topsheet on somewhat activated sponge (to mimic Chinese rubbers with booster...), and something like C45/48/53 is totally different from those dull first attempts like BlueGrip and others, but it is a love it or hate it thing ;-)
 
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C45 is very grippy, though not really sticky, and its catapult is lower than that of R45.
As all these different "hybrid" rubbers, it demands and rewards active play.
For me this is really the make it or break it argument: If you play spinblocks and counter topspins on incoming balls "hybrid" can be for you. If your backhand is for pushing and passive blocking, then maybe better stick to something "normal", if you were used to that.
Technology has of course advanced, so "hybrid" comes in all facettes now, not only sticky topsheet on somewhat activated sponge (to mimic Chinese rubbers with booster...), and something like C45/48/53 is totally different from those dull first attempts like BlueGrip and others, but it is a love it or hate it thing ;-)
how would you compare c45 and c48 on bh? Ideally on a butterfly alc blade.
 
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You can search up revspin, not a spreadsheet but a website with users scoring the rubber and blades.
I know about revspin, but having a different source than this "crowdscoring" would help greatly, especially when you have controlled experiments like these guys do ... its much more scientific and much more reliable (higher truth value). Its kinda like comparing wikipedia, which is susceptible to bias of different kinds (ideologies, hype, idol-worship etc.), to an experiment done in the same lab under the same circumstances.

A good example on how revspin inflates scores for hyped up producs is Stiga Dynasty Carbon vs. Stiga Dynasty Carbon Xu Xin Edition, the latter having a different emblem and a signature added and nothing else being different about the blades.



Out of all the thousands upon thousands of educational videos on youtube, I have only seen one channel interested in doing testing this way, but not having the funds to do so:

 
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