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I have been using spin pips red on FH (1 less than max thickness), but have noticed they don't make them anymore! In particular i really like the spin on serves and blocking/countering ability with an amount of spin scrubbing/reversing against topsin which was easy to control. I'd be happy with something firmer but probably not softer. I have used 802-40 but it was far too much like an inverted. I would have thought joola express, yasaka rakza po, or the new victas spin pips, but I can't find much information about any in comparison to spin pips red.