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I wish TT were more popular here.
  • I think it's just overshadowed by other sports like basketball, football, and of course Canadians barely know any sports other than hockey.
  • Also, people seem to associate TT as a nerd sport that does not require much physical activity.
  • A lot of misconception and little awareness.
 
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It sounds like you are limited to either the HPL or the HL 5.
If you are open to other lights and other brands, some additional details about what you want from the light (throw vs flood, cool vs warm, etc...) would help.
As much as I like Streamlights this sounds like a time when you might want to consider other brands.
 
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That I'm aware, there is no direct equivalent to the HL5 from Butterfly. Harimoto ALC is the one that comes closest but there are still some fundamental differences. I'm almost sure that the HL5 uses Ayous as a medial ply because that layer is thicker than the top ply. A limba layer that thick would make the blade heavier and harder. I'm not sure about the medial ply in the Harimoto, the thickness is equal to the top ply and Ayous and Limba can be very hard to tell apart by just looking at the end grain. One other difference is that the ALC layer in the Harimoto is ~0.25mm while the Aramid-Carbon layer in the HL5 is ~0.2mm.
 
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It sounds like you are limited to either the HPL or the HL 5.
If you are open to other lights and other brands, some additional details about what you want from the light (throw vs flood, cool vs warm, etc...) would help.
As much as I like Streamlights this sounds like a time when you might want to consider other brands.

What kind of Streamlights do you like using and what do you use them for? Can you explain throw vs flood and cool vs warm?
 
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From what butterfly says,

Harimoto szlc is inner super woven carbon fibre , where as MJszlc and ZJKszlc are outer super woven carbon fibre.

Which also means, that Harimoto szlc will feel more woody as compared to the other two. From one of the online reviews I saw, it has a high curve and a long trajectory, which means it is a fast blade.

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All of the Harimoto line of blades are "Innerforce" style with the carbon layer next to the core and with Limba outer wood.


Also all of the Harimoto blades are 158x152mm (slightly larger than ZJK, viscaria, Jun)


The interesting thing is that for the Harimoto Super ZLC they made it 6.2mm thick. The Harimoto ALC is 6.0mm and the Harimoto ZLC is 5.7mm.


I have a custom made Inner style Super ZLC with limba outer and 157x150, 5.9mm and it is super fast. Not a lot of dwell time. I wonder if the larger head and thicker blade makes the Harimoto Super ZLC more controllable.
 
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All of the Harimoto line of blades are "Innerforce" style with the carbon layer next to the core and with Limba outer wood.


Also all of the Harimoto blades are 158x152mm (slightly larger than ZJK, viscaria, Jun)


The interesting thing is that for the Harimoto Super ZLC they made it 6.2mm thick. The Harimoto ALC is 6.0mm and the Harimoto ZLC is 5.7mm.


I have a custom made Inner style Super ZLC with limba outer and 157x150, 5.9mm and it is super fast. Not a lot of dwell time. I wonder if the larger head and thicker blade makes the Harimoto Super ZLC more controllable.
While I was watching the online review, I felt that Hszlc also has the issue of dwell time.

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While I was watching the online review, I felt that Hszlc also has the issue of dwell time.

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It would not surprise me. (My inner super zlc) It has quite a catapult effect. Super direct and lots of spin if your timing is right. But quite unforgiving compared to viscaria and Long 5x.
 
I do not know how heavy his racket is but I think achieving that amount of speed with minimal movement primarily comes down to technique and equipment. In his backhand he generates a lot of racket speed with his wrists that is why despite having a compact stroke the ball is still very fast. Their equipment is also very fast and I would assume they are heavy. The blade they have is probably about 90+grams
 
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He just is very explosive and thus can generate a lot of power with a short swing. His BH swing is rather short but still powerful while on the forehand he can take big swings but also hit hard with a shorter swing.

That is because he has explosive power. Generally a longer swing generates more speed but if you are explosive and strong enough you can generate power in a short swing too.
 
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Professionals in any sport can make things look 'easy' or 'effortless' just due to years of training, muscle memory and timing.

I think for table tennis 'ball striking' ability sometimes can get lost in the discussion when the focus is on the full FH or BH swing. For me 'ball striking' is the milliseconds before you strike the ball->to actually striking the ball->to just after you strike the ball. Even with a smaller swing path (on the FZD BH) if you can focus your acceleration and power/brush onto 'ball striking'...rather than just swinging...you can have a very efficient stroke.

But on that FH side...FZD has a very long stroke (when he has the time) bringing his paddle behind his leg (with a straight arm) and keeping a pretty straight arm right before contact. His forearm snap as he is brushing makes his stroke look more compact than it is.
 
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