Serve return advice for beginners playing other beginners

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Browsing internet and YouTube for return of serve advice aimed at beginners circle back at the same thing over and over again:

You need to read the spin

Well HELLO! I am a beginner playing other beginners.

I can not read spin.
I don’t want to learn to read spin.
My opponents does not serve very spinny or fast serves.
I believe I don’t need to be able to read spin.
I just want to be able to put 2/3 of my returns on the table.

So what is your advice? Just learn to flick everything?
 
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The easiest way to avoid reading spin is to use long pips. Even beginners will adjust the spin of their serve for variety. Moreover they often don't know what spin they put on the ball.

Another way is the read their body motion. They have a different motion for each kind of the spin. Use this for a input-output receive system.
 
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I can not read spin.
I don’t want to learn to read spin.
My opponents does not serve very spinny or fast serves.
I believe I don’t need to be able to read spin.
I just want to be able to put 2/3 of my returns on the table.

I was honestly quite confused when reading this because its essentially saying "I want to know how to play better but I don't want to learn how to play better" but then I saw that your last post says you have only been playing at your local club for 7 total hours.

By going to the club you have started down a path of progression, where you will continually discover more about table tennis. You need skills and knowledge to be able to exert your will on the table, and it takes time and effort to develop and grow techniques and "game language."

7 hours is a grain of sand on a beach. I put in at least that in a week and have been doing so for several years at this point. 7 hours might only be a day or two for someone whos livelihood depends on their performance. To learn something you must practice it, and to learn something right you must practice it right. If you want to improve you have to put in the hours, even 2 hours a week instead of 1 is already double the table time.

I don't think it is the answer you were looking for in your post but any way forwards will need you having to learn how to do something, there is no shortcut for learning how to do something as complex as serve receive. It is not as simple as just "flick everything," you need to know the spin to handle the spin with the techniques you have learned to handle spin with.
 
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Browsing internet and YouTube for return of serve advice aimed at beginners circle back at the same thing over and over again:

You need to read the spin

Well HELLO! I am a beginner playing other beginners.

I can not read spin.
I don’t want to learn to read spin.
My opponents does not serve very spinny or fast serves.
I believe I don’t need to be able to read spin.
I just want to be able to put 2/3 of my returns on the table.

So what is your advice? Just learn to flick everything?
So long as you confine your opponents to those using 10-year-old rubbers which they never clean, you won't have an issue and won't need to learn to read spin. Otherwise, you're going to have to learn to at least differentiate between backspin and topspin services.
 
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Browsing internet and YouTube for return of serve advice aimed at beginners circle back at the same thing over and over again:

You need to read the spin

Well HELLO! I am a beginner playing other beginners.

I can not read spin.
I don’t want to learn to read spin.
My opponents does not serve very spinny or fast serves.
I believe I don’t need to be able to read spin.
I just want to be able to put 2/3 of my returns on the table.

So what is your advice? Just learn to flick everything?
Then don't read the spin but just watch their racket and aim your return in the direction to where their RACKET STARTED.

1: as you look at them, you see their racket move from YOUR left to YOUR right.
Racket started left then aim the return left.

2: Vice versa for racket moving from YOUR right to YOUR left.

3: Racket starts above the ball and moved downwards (ball has backspin)(sorry, I realise you didn't want to know that😉) BUT, racket started high therefore aim the return high.

4: Vice versa for racket starting below ball and moving up, this will produce topspin so you should close your racket angle and aim your return towards the bottom of the net.

Topspin can also be produced by simply rolling the rubber over the top of the ball and the racket movement is simply back to fwd (VV for backspin) (but I assume these two are quite obvious for you anyway) and they can be returned by mimicking the racket motion of the server.

I can't simplify it any further without having to read the spin on the ball.
 
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I have noticed that my best game is the first 10-15 minutes of practice night. And when I train serve at the kitchen table at home, I feel I learn for three minutes and after that I might as well take a break.

I seem to have a concentration problem due to low stamina.

At this point in my development plan, I serve easy serves to my opponents because they cannot return advanced serves, and I want to have some kind of rally going. I also aime to return balls that are a bit easier for them to return for the same reasons. When I got angry with my weak returns last session I smacked a few, they landed and we’re not returnable for my opponents and that was not fun.

Next session, I will decide for two different returns and use them all along, the goal is to make friendly returns. I will not bother with trying to read spin. If it does not work there will be no more Mr Niceguy.
 
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its difficult to tell in words because theres so many different kind of serves. Every player is different. Being able to adapt to any opponent serve is one of the most important skill to have at all levels.

at beginner level, you have to fight with your tools in your arsenal. and also you don't want to develop a chiquita because thats not a beginner skill.

First you have to have a general understanding of spin: backspin, topspin , no spin, sidespin. bat angle is not the same when playing those balls, whether its a push or a loop.

Then in general at beginner level, most serves are LONG == 2nd bounce is off the table, even when it looks like your opponent wants to serve short. Don't believe me ? ask your usual partners to serve, and don't play the ball, just watch if it bounces twice or not on the table.

if the 2nd bounce is off the table, it means you CAN drive / loop / attack this serve. Learn how to do that. spend a big % of your training learning on how to do that.

in the same way, at the beginner level, most serves are NO SPIN, - or have LITTLE SPIN, whether its short, half long or long. it means you have to generate the spin by yourself , and cannot borrow spin from the ball. in your practice don't practice looping or topspin only against backspin. it may look like the server wants to put a lot of backspin to the ball but because he is a beginner, his ball contact is not good and it ends up like a little backspin only which you can mostly ignore if you have a good drive.

if you're like me or many other players, you'll see you make many more mistakes by attacking and receiving OFF the table instead of dumping these balls in the net. To avoid that, an effort must be done on the stance (low, legs well apart, upper body leaning forward, on your toes, weight on RH leg if you play FH, on both legs if you play BH) to see well the top of the bounce. try to play the ball just after the top of the bounce.

also whether you're playing with FH or BH, you must be relaxed and use only a compact swing, using only the forearm and wrist at contact. the part above the elbow should stay as stable as possible.

my coach made the following exercise for me. instead of serving with the racket he would just throw the ball with his hand and i have to receive it. if you do this exercise, probably very quickly you will be able to play this ball correctly. Then in reality, even when your opponent is serving with what looks heavy spin, assume you're playing the same ball that is thrown by hand and tell me what results you get !

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NB I'm a double inverted player. if you play with pips, ask someone else
 
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Try hitting the same side of the ball as the opponent.
He hits:
his right side, you go his right side
His left side, you go his left side
his under, you hit under
his behind or over, you hit behing or over

If he goes down, you hit down under the ball
if he goes upwards, you hit forward/upwars

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Thanks for all advice! Here are my reflections from the latest practice:

Be patient. What might seem as an overwhelming task (to read spin and choose a fitting return) will start to come naturally to you in a some time. Do not stress.

At lower level, you can potentially just pick any stroke you want to practice and use that to return serves. If you do it well enough you will return most serves, just keep in mind that your oppo will have a hard time dealing with the returns.

Most serves at this level are long and can be returned with a firm drive. There are some who serve short, but that bounce will be high and can be returned without too much trouble.

Surprisingly, some advanced beginners cannot return a no spin serve, the ball misses the table with good margin!

Dont think that if you return to the middle of the table your oppo will have an easy shot. On the contrary!
 
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Thanks for all advice! Here are my reflections from the latest practice:

Be patient. What might seem as an overwhelming task (to read spin and choose a fitting return) will start to come naturally to you in a some time. Do not stress.

At lower level, you can potentially just pick any stroke you want to practice and use that to return serves. If you do it well enough you will return most serves, just keep in mind that your oppo will have a hard time dealing with the returns.

Most serves at this level are long and can be returned with a firm drive. There are some who serve short, but that bounce will be high and can be returned without too much trouble.

Surprisingly, some advanced beginners cannot return a no spin serve, the ball misses the table with good margin!

Dont think that if you return to the middle of the table your oppo will have an easy shot. On the contrary!
Imo the more you play serves and service returns come naturally if you play a lot of matches.
Took me 2 weeks of playing matches to understand spin reading and returning.
 
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