Short review of Glayzer 09c (don't buy)

[UpSideDownCarl]

@ThePongCommenter : I am not trying to make things worse. So please just read and take a little time to reflect. No real need for a response. @Tyce : no need for a response on your side either.

It was a simple question which you refused to answer and then threw the first punch.

I am sorry: this is not just a simple question:

After reading through the thread I don't see any those two quotes you mentioned... is it a deleted/edited comment or did you just make up quotes that nobody said lol?

"OR DID YOU JUST MAKE UP QUOTES THAT NOBODY SAID LOL?" Is unquestionably calling into question Tyce's credibility. Here is what it might have sounded like if you were not doing that:

"or are you just trying to paraphrase?".

So, even though you are saying Tyce threw the "first punch", you actually did by an attempt to tarnish Tyce's credibility.

From my perspective, if you two just stay away from each other for a few days, and then start with posts where you find common ground (I am sure there are plenty), that would be good. If you do comment, either of you, simply saying something like: "I am sorry for my part in this", might be the most useful thing to say to each other.

I am confident you can find common ground on many subjects and in person you would likely become fast friends. Often communication on the internet gets people to be contentious because in reading, it is not the same as hearing communication directly from the person.

So, both of you, please drop the subject for a short time, step back, and give it some time. Time often takes care of a lot.

 

[jallz]

From my experience using the Glayzer 09c on an inner-type blade (BTY Ovtcharov InnerForce ALC), it’s pretty fast and spinny—just slightly slower than Dignics 09c. I saw a YouTube video of people using it on Ovtcharov IF ALC, and they had a similar impression. So, in my opinion, the type of blade and your hitting technique really affect how the Glayzer 09c performs. I tend to brush the ball while hitting hard --punch thru it. Based on this experience, I’d say the Glayzer 09c is still a good rubber worth buying.

 

[Egon]

From my experience using the Glayzer 09c on an inner-type blade (BTY Ovtcharov InnerForce ALC), it’s pretty fast and spinny—just slightly slower than Dignics 09c. I saw a YouTube video of people using it on Ovtcharov IF ALC, and they had a similar impression. So, in my opinion, the type of blade and your hitting technique really affect how the Glayzer 09c performs. I tend to brush the ball while hitting hard --punch thru it. Based on this experience, I’d say the Glayzer 09c is still a good rubber worth buying.

I also liked the G09C on a fast blade with internal reinforcement and a fairly soft veneer on the surface. It is very tenacious, not bad in terms of speed, light weight, good control, clear block. Yes, the speed on strong hits is lower than that of the H3, but it is much better than that of the Rakza Z and PK 50, which I played with earlier. I also tried the G09C on a blade with a viscaria structure with koto on the surface and I did not like it, but this is normal for any rubber. Somewhere it plays, and somewhere it does not.

 

[Topspinslinger]

One of my regular opponents/ friend used Glayzer 09c on backhand, he uses Stiga cybershape carbon.
He thought is was pretty good, but now he switched back to dignics 09c.

Just like @jallz and @Choosikick said, innerforce blades seem a really good combo with glayzer 09c.

 

[Jan_]

From my experience using the Glayzer 09c on an inner-type blade (BTY Ovtcharov InnerForce ALC), it’s pretty fast and spinny—just slightly slower than Dignics 09c. I saw a YouTube video of people using it on Ovtcharov IF ALC, and they had a similar impression. So, in my opinion, the type of blade and your hitting technique really affect how the Glayzer 09c performs. I tend to brush the ball while hitting hard --punch thru it. Based on this experience, I’d say the Glayzer 09c is still a good rubber worth buying.

The rubber isn't fast, the blade is.

 

[banbekas]

Seems like Glayzer 09C is in the same class as D09C in speed. Wonder why people say it's slow, it's not that much of a different. Spin is a class lower tho.

 

[latej]

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Seems like Glayzer 09C is in the same class as D09C in speed. Wonder why people say it's slow, it's not that much of a different. Spin is a class lower tho.

It really felt slower, even than D09C, esp. on harder shots... But I also think I could use it instead of D09C, it's a good rubber.

 

[Denso]

I think the Butterfly rubber matrix is spot on. I switched from D09c to G09c on by BH to add a bit of safety to my BH game. Spin-wise, it still has more than any other rubber from the Dignics series I tried except for the D09c.

 

[Egon]

I wrote this post in another thread, but I will duplicate it here, since it is essentially about the Glayzer 09C

I have been playing with sticky chinese rubbers on the forehand for 20 years, 10 of which I only played with H3, when it was not yet mainstream. Recently, I also wondered about switching to hybrid rubbers and did not consider the Butterfly rubber because of the high price. For quite a long time, I played Rakza Z and Nittaku Pk-50, I also tried K3 and D09C from my comrades. In principle, I can play with these rubbers, but they will not fully replace the H3/J3/N80

Now I am trying to play Glayzer 09C and I really like it. This is not an analogue at all, it is simply what suited me now at this stage.
Pros for me:
1) high tenacity and elasticity - this rubber bites the ball;
2) stable properties - no booster and changes in the properties of the rubber over time;
3) low weight - I can play with heavy blades, which I have not played before with heavy chinese rubbers and hard rubber ESN as well;
4) high launch angle, which makes it easier to play with underspin.
5) a shot without spin flies faster;
6) a price that is comparable with ESN rubbers;
7) good durability.
Cons for me:
1) increased sensitivity to incoming spin. It will not work to play passively, counting on the rubber being dead, you always need to be active;
2) high launch angle, which makes it easier for the opponent to counterplay;
3) lower final speed and spin with strong shots;
4) a price that is higher then most chinese rubbers;

For some, even one of these cons will put a fat point on using the G09C instead of the H3. I think these will be high-level players for whom super-spin and speed on strong hits are important, or players who like deadness when receiving. For me, there were more pluses than minuses. I am very grateful to Butterfly for the Glazer series. Whether they read these forums or not, I would read them if I were them . So thank you, guys!

 

[Egon]

And I would also like @Jan_ to remove "(do not buy)" from the topic title.
Let everyone who is interested read and draw their own conclusions about this rubber. Thanks in advance @Jan_!

 

[Jan_]

And I would also like @Jan_ to remove "(do not buy)" from the topic title.
Let everyone who is interested read and draw their own conclusions about this rubber. Thanks in advance @Jan_!

Will not, it's my experience and opinion and I stand by it.

I still find jupiter 3 is higher performance at less than half the cost.👌

 

[Egon]

Will not, it's my experience and opinion and I stand by it.

I still find jupiter 3 is higher performance at less than half the cost.👌

I agree with the booster. But without a booster or quick glue, the Jupiter 3 does not play to its capabilities. For someone, this will be important, like for me now. You can find my early posts about the Jupiter 3. This is a cool rubber for its money, for me it is a workhorse that will not let you down, but there remains the question of the booster, weight and, in some ways, control, forgive me Broken Ball. Besides, time passes and new rubbers appear, which are better in some ways and worse in others. Now I am testing, for example, Loki Arthur China and I like it without a booster, but this topic is still about Glayzer 09C.

 

[Jan_]

I agree with the booster. But without a booster or quick glue, the Jupiter 3 does not play to its capabilities. For someone, this will be important, like for me now. You can find my early posts about the Jupiter 3. This is a cool rubber for its money, for me it is a workhorse that will not let you down, but there remains the question of the booster, weight and, in some ways, control, forgive me Broken Ball. Besides, time passes and new rubbers appear, which are better in some ways and worse in others. Now I am testing, for example, Loki Arthur China and I like it without a booster, but this topic is still about Glayzer 09C.

Haven't tried Arthur, seems people love it. Idk, tried glayzer and 09c again when I saw the guy I sold them to, I still don't like them. Don't know what it is about them, they feel made to a lower standard, like they don't have the feedback/feel Butterfly rubbers are known for and the performance just isn't there. I still think the rozena is superior. I won't even talk about the normal glayzer, might as well play with super fx at that point.

 

[Egon]

Haven't tried Arthur, seems people love it. Idk, tried glayzer and 09c again when I saw the guy I sold them to, I still don't like them. Don't know what it is about them, they feel made to a lower standard, like they don't have the feedback/feel Butterfly rubbers are known for and the performance just isn't there. I still think the rozena is superior. I won't even talk about the normal glayzer, might as well play with super fx at that point.

Perhaps the combination of rubber and blade did not suit you? By the way, I also did not like it very much on the blade of the visсaria structure with koto on the surface, what I wrote about here earlier.

 

[Jan_]

Perhaps the combination of rubber and blade did not suit you? By the way, I also did not like it very much on the blade of the visсaria structure with koto on the surface, what I wrote about here earlier.

Tried them on Viscaria, azalea off, and avalox p700. I just don't feel like they suit any of them. I have a general preference on hard surface blades, only recently I started experimenting with softer woods like korbel and azalea, but they didn't go there very well.

 

[RomanAngerer]

I agree with the booster. But without a booster or quick glue, the Jupiter 3 does not play to its capabilities. For someone, this will be important, like for me now. You can find my early posts about the Jupiter 3. This is a cool rubber for its money, for me it is a workhorse that will not let you down, but there remains the question of the booster, weight and, in some ways, control, forgive me Broken Ball. Besides, time passes and new rubbers appear, which are better in some ways and worse in others. Now I am testing, for example, Loki Arthur China and I like it without a booster, but this topic is still about Glayzer 09C.

I would say Glayzer 09C is worth considering if only it lasted longer. The rubber's performance dips after the tackiness is gone, and it happens in several months, if not faster.

For real, most of the ESN rubbers are just better at a lower price.

 

[_ak]

For real, most of the ESN rubbers are just better at a lower price.

For example? ESN rubbers normally start from 50 euro

 

[piligrim]

For example? ESN rubbers normally start from 50 euro

Vega Pro cost only $25 ))

 

[_ak]

Vega Pro cost only $25 ))

It costs 40 euro 🤷..I used to play with it like 10 years ago and ditched it. You can definitely find some outdated rubbers like Barracuda and so on with discount for the reason, but it's not the regular price. G09c is definitely spinnier and more interesting than VPro. Among modern rubbers Glayzer is priced well.

 

[piligrim]

It costs 40 euro 🤷..I used to play with it like 10 years ago and ditched it. You can definitely find some outdated rubbers like Barracuda and so on with discount for the reason, but it's not the regular price. G09c is definitely spinnier and more interesting than VPro. Among modern rubbers Glayzer is priced well.

https://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/xiom-vega-pro

If you buy 3=4 each rubber will cost $26 with free shipping