Short review of Glayzer 09c (don't buy)

[banbekas]

Zhu Yuling was dominating the scene with Rozena and Glayzer is even better than Rozena.
I really don't understand the hate on Glayzer, which according to report is like a hot cake.

 

[banbekas]

I tried a clubmate son's setup in today's session which consist of BTY Harimoto ALC with both side Glyzer 09C.

My initial reaction was Woah! So easy to loop. I love the feeling a lot. Not sure whether is due to the rubber or the blade that gives this nice and wonderful feeling.

Comparing this with Dignics 09C that I tried on another clubmate's blade ( on a regular Viscaria ), somehow, IIRC, D09C seems more dead and unresponsive. It could be because of the harder sponge perhaps and it was sometime ago and maybe at that time, my FH technique was poorer back then I suppose, but nonetheless, this was how I remember D09C.

Of course, don't listen to the nonsese that you can't end the point with Glayzer. It's more than powerful enough to if you have the power.

 

[Robin0910]

Of course, don't listen to the nonsese that you can't end the point with Glayzer. It's more than powerful enough to if you have the power.

You can end the point with any rubber if you have the power, even with Sriver. What sucks about G09c is that it’s too slow when you’re out of position which happens to pro players too and happens even more to regular players. Of course Ma Long would be able to beat any of us with a hobby bat that doesn’t mean that bat is good.
By the way, the rubber itself is not bad, it’s the price they’re asking for it is bad

 

[ttarc]

Well, I just tried a brand new sheet and wanted to share my thoughts.
It really is nothing special. It’s indeed meant for beginners to intermediate players who are meant to switch to D09c later on. It’s slow, not that tacky (doesn’t lift the ball at all) but it has decent spin and relatively good control.
I would definitely not buy it for how much they sell it for in Europe (I bought it in China for about half as much). I’d rather get a K3, Gewo codexx ef pro 54 or pay extra for C53, Bluestar A1, DNA Hybrid XH or Dignics 09c.

It is something special. Just 43g to 44g cut on a 157 mm x 150 mm Bty head for such a hard sponge is special. Codexx has lower trajectory, is not really faster (maybe for a short time until the factory booster has worn off) and it's harder to generate quality shots/spin with the Codexx. C53 is imo just a bouncy Rasanter slowed down a bit by its semi-tacky topsheet. K3 is better than C53 but durability close to nonexisting.
Of course G09C is not D09C which has higher limits, is overall faster and more reactive.
Definitely G09C is harder to play when out of position/far away from the table (which rubber with this sponge hardness is?) especially on BH but it's stable and not that spin sensitive which makes it easier to use when defending...
G09C slightly boosted (it reacts quite strongly) could be enough for many players.
Price is also not that bad. 44.90€ is similar to a discounted Codexx over here.

 

[piligrim]

It is something special. Just 43g to 44g cut on a 157 mm x 150 mm Bty head for such a hard sponge is special. Codexx has lower trajectory, is not really faster (maybe for a short time until the factory booster has worn off) and it's harder to generate quality shots/spin with the Codexx. C53 is imo just a bouncy Rasanter slowed down a bit by its semi-tacky topsheet. K3 is better than C53 but durability close to nonexisting.
Of course G09C is not D09C which has higher limits, is overall faster and more reactive.
Definitely G09C is harder to play when out of position/far away from the table (which rubber with this sponge hardness is?) especially on BH but it's stable and not that spin sensitive which makes it easier to use when defending...
G09C slightly boosted (it reacts quite strongly) could be enough for many players.
Price is also not that bad. 44.90€ is similar to a discounted Codexx over here.

Did you try regular Glayzer?

 

[ttarc]

Did you try regular Glayzer?

Not really. Just a couple of hits when it was released. G09C for quite some time maybe 2/3 of its lifespan. Boosted it slightly (nice but not enough) then I used too much and it became too mushy with low trajectory...

 

[banbekas]

You can end the point with any rubber if you have the power, even with Sriver. What sucks about G09c is that it’s too slow when you’re out of position which happens to pro players too and happens even more to regular players. Of course Ma Long would be able to beat any of us with a hobby bat that doesn’t mean that bat is good.
By the way, the rubber itself is not bad, it’s the price they’re asking for it is bad

Even with Sriver, if you have the power and technique, the quality will be good. So, it's the users who are the problem, not the rubber. Let's be honest, H3, Dignics, K3, etc., are even more difficult to use than Glayzer when you are out of position. Your shot quality suffers because those rubbers require so much from you, unlike Glayzer. I don't see you guys complaining about this, even though it could be the reason why you lost games: the inability to generate good spin when out of position due to the difficulty of using those rubbers.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Exactly. If Glayzer 09c was actually "garbage", I'm sure Butterfly wouldn't have released it in the first place. If it was "unplayable" people would stop playing it. If it "couldn't lift backspin if my life depended on it" then it would be worse than $5 Aliexpress rubber.
There's simply no way any of that is actually true. It's either highly exaggerated, or, and I honestly think this is more likely, it's a user error.

So when Gan, a former Chinese provincial player who was likely upwards of 2600 USATT equivalent at his peak, and is one of the only trusted online equipment reviewers by high level players and even pros, says repeatedly in his review that G09c is slow, lacks power, lacks quality, isn't suitable for the FH, that he wouldn't recommend it even for intermediate players, and that if you are looking for a rubber with quality then you "shouldn't consider it"... is that also user error?

It seems like there are 8 pages of comments on Glayzer on this thread, a mixed bag, some compliments, but a lot of dissatisfied users, mostly converging upon that it is a significantly watered down Dignics like Rozena is to Tenergy. Which is exactly what it is. I'm not sure where the "complete garbage" characterization comes into play unless I missed something even though it seems like theres a lot of convergence of opinion that it isn't the most inspiring rubber lol.

edit: meant to say upwards of 2500, so probably high 2500s to 2600, but point stands.

 

[Tyce]

Well.. It's supposed to be a watered down Dignics, why would you expect anything else?

 

[banbekas]

So when Gan, a former Chinese provincial player who was likely upwards of 2600 USATT equivalent at his peak, and is one of the only trusted online equipment reviewers by high level players and even pros, says repeatedly in his review that G09c is slow, lacks power, lacks quality, isn't suitable for the FH, that he wouldn't recommend it even for intermediate players, and that if you are looking for a rubber with quality then you "shouldn't consider it"... is that also user error?

It seems like there are 8 pages of comments on Glayzer on this thread, a mixed bag, some compliments, but a lot of dissatisfied users, mostly converging upon that it is a significantly watered down Dignics like Rozena is to Tenergy. Which is exactly what it is. I'm not sure where the "complete garbage" characterization comes into play unless I missed something even though it seems like theres a lot of convergence of opinion that it isn't the most inspiring rubber lol.

Gan doesn't recommend it, but his hitting friend does. Should we take Gan's word or his friend's?
For me, if Rozena was good enough for ZYL, I'd never say Glayzer isn't good for us.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Gan doesn't recommend it, but his hitting friend does. Should we take Gan's word or his friend's?
For me, if Rozena was good enough for ZYL, I'd never say Glayzer isn't good for us.

His amateur hitting friend said "it is acceptable for the price" and that it would be better suited to a faster blade like ZLC or SZLC to compensate for the low power. I assume most people aren't going to upgrade to a ZLC or SZLC blade just for the privilege of playing Glayzer. The friend also notes that it is low quality compared to other ESN rubbers. So both of their reviews really aren't that far off from what is in this thread.

 

[banbekas]

His amateur hitting friend said "it is acceptable for the price" and that it would be better suited to a faster blade like ZLC or SZLC to compensate for the low power. I assume most people aren't going to upgrade to a ZLC or SZLC blade just for the privilege of playing Glayzer. The friend also notes that it is low quality compared to other ESN rubbers. So both of their reviews really aren't that far off from what is in this thread.

Slower than Dignics but better tolerance and stability with lower price. Good enough for people of their level to play with. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for us.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Slower than Dignics but better tolerance and stability with lower price. Good enough for people of their level to play with. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for us.

It is fascinating that you watched that review and concluded that they said it was good enough for them when he clearly said that he doesn't recommend the rubber even for intermediate players and continually harped on the lack of shot quality which is, again, what people in this thread are saying.

Also that you don't seem to realize that the hitting friend is an intermediate amateur player who Gan intentionally brings on to bring a lower level perspective to his reviews.

 

[zeio]

The English sub is a bit off here and there. Gan actually said he wouldn't recommend them to even advanced players, rather than intermediate, because for him, the [shot (inferred)] quality of both rubbers is somewhat lacking, rather than low.

His sparring partner's assessment, who is coming from double D09C on Mizutani Jun ZLC and that the little tradeoff in performance is not that big of a hit for its price, is more or less in line with Butterfly's positioning of the Glayzer series.

 

[ttarc]

So when Gan, a former Chinese provincial player who was likely upwards of 2600 USATT equivalent at his peak, and is one of the only trusted online equipment reviewers by high level players and even pros, says repeatedly in his review that G09c is slow, lacks power, lacks quality, isn't suitable for the FH, that he wouldn't recommend it even for intermediate players, and that if you are looking for a rubber with quality then you "shouldn't consider it"... is that also user error?

It seems like there are 8 pages of comments on Glayzer on this thread, a mixed bag, some compliments, but a lot of dissatisfied users, mostly converging upon that it is a significantly watered down Dignics like Rozena is to Tenergy. Which is exactly what it is. I'm not sure where the "complete garbage" characterization comes into play unless I missed something even though it seems like theres a lot of convergence of opinion that it isn't the most inspiring rubber lol.

Uninspiring or just good enough😉

or

They say basically the same: good spin, good speed but less than D09C/Dynaryz ZGX and slower when further away/when hitting hard. That can be both positive or negative. Less errors vs harder to overpower an opponent, safety vs speed and so on.

 

[piligrim]

Uninspiring or just good enough😉

or

They say basically the same: good spin, good speed but less than D09C/Dynaryz ZGX and slower when further away/when hitting hard. That can be both positive or negative. Less errors vs harder to overpower an opponent, safety vs speed and so on.

Now we have to find out if they better players then Gan or not )))

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Uninspiring or just good enough😉

or

They say basically the same: good spin, good speed but less than D09C/Dynaryz ZGX and slower when further away/when hitting hard. That can be both positive or negative. Less errors vs harder to overpower an opponent, safety vs speed and so on.

I'm not going to watch another 20 minutes of Glayzer reviews but based on your summary it is again converging on what Butterfly claims the rubber is, what most public reviews say of it, and what this thread says of it.

Whether it is uninspiring or just good enough is up to everyone based on their level, playstyle, and personal preference. The point is that it is very obviously a rubber that has noticeably less top end capability than Dignics and whether that matters to someone is up to them - seems like every equipment thread on this forum inevitably ends up with "well if you're good and powerful enough then you can get enough quality" as an argument for why safer equipment is great.... like yeah obviously but that is a weird way to shut down discussion of differences in playing traits of any rubber or blade.

 

[Robin0910]

His amateur hitting friend said "it is acceptable for the price" and that it would be better suited to a faster blade like ZLC or SZLC to compensate for the low power. I assume most people aren't going to upgrade to a ZLC or SZLC blade just for the privilege of playing Glayzer. The friend also notes that it is low quality compared to other ESN rubbers. So both of their reviews really aren't that far off from what is in this thread.

I just want to mention that by acceptable for the price he meant 25-27 USD because that’s how much it costs in China and for that price I think it’s an okay rubber. (DNA Hybrid or the newly released DNA Dragon Power cost about just as much there).
As I said, it’s not “garbage” it’s overpriced

 

[piligrim]

I just want to mention that by acceptable for the price he meant 25-27 USD because that’s how much it costs in China and for that price I think it’s an okay rubber. (DNA Hybrid or the newly released DNA Dragon Power cost about just as much there).
As I said, it’s not “garbage” it’s overpriced

Same as all Butterfly blades and rubbers )))

 

[NextLevel]

Same as all Butterfly blades and rubbers )))

Lol. Nah, even when people complained about Tenergy, it had a clear performance edge. Now the performance edge is somewhat narrower, but Butterfly has durability and weight advantages.