Switching out of T05...

[brossiah]

Hello! A little bit of my history.
I've been playing table tennis seriously for about 6 months now. Used to be an occasional casual player. I stepped up and bought a TBS with a T05 (2.1mm FH) and a T80 (2.1mm BH).

I tried re-gluing my T05 and messed it up (heavy rubber expansion) so I've decided maybe it's time to try out some new stuff because the tenergy line is stupid expensive.

I really enjoy heavy looping with big swing. I just ordered a DHS H3 Neo because I've read some good things about it, but I'm also willing to try a few other rubbers to figure out what I want. I have never tried any other "real" setup aside from what I currently have, so I'm looking to expand to find a great FH rubber that I can loop consistently with. I'd also like to keep it in the affordable range so that when I have to buy new rubbers, I'm not going broke

Like I said, I've never tried any other real setups. I love the T05 for loops but I'm inconsistent with it (about 60-70% success rate on a practice session with an iRobot).

Thanks guys!

 

[Shifu]

There‘s no way you can control that kinda setup with 6 months of playing experience. Especially since you don’t have a coach. Try some Allround 5 ply blades or maybe a primo off- and get 2 Vega intro or something like that.

 

[Airoc]

There‘s no way you can control that kinda setup with 6 months of playing experience. Especially since you don’t have a coach. Try some Allround 5 ply blades or maybe a primo off- and get 2 Vega intro or something like that.

I would not take away a blade from the hands of any player, almost no matter how unsuitable it may seem.
But the general idea of of using less complex rubbers seems logical, and Vega Intro is an attractively priced rubber.
1,8 mm sponge paired with Boll Spirit should be controllable, if exercised regularly.

 

[eduardo1995filipe]

Chinese rubbers:

729 08
729 Battle II
729 Super FX

Didn't had good experience with DHS Commercial Products so I don't recommend it.

European Rubbers:

Any Tensor should to the job, choose the cheapest in your country [emoji6] same for BH rubber!

About the blade, I'll recomend to switch and I'll tell you why, I've changed a bit early to TBS (I came from a primorac off-) and gave me problems to improve my technique and I had regular pratice :/ most of people told me "go for a korbel, this is too fast for you" and I thought "no way, this was Timo Boll blade and now it's Ma Long Blade, I'll not switch it", but I saw players that we're from same gen, improving their technique, and I had to adopt a behind the table game, with only a strong forehand loop, and strong thirdball attack, because my setup was way too fast. I'll switched later to slower blades and my technique is not perfect, but it's way better that before! Who knows if it would be different if I waited a bit more to make my change :/ If you prefer a composite blade, I would recommend you maybe Treiber K, I had one was much slower and flexier that TBS, with a similar feeling, if not I would say to go allwood, but save your TBS, when you feel ready you could change again.

That's my experience, but maybe with a slower and linear rubbers like Airoc said could also work, and also a more cheaper option [emoji6]




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[chintanmashroo]

Chinese:
Friendship Battle II
Hurricane 8

Tensor:
Rakza 7
Rasanter 47
Evolution MXP



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[Tinykin]

There‘s no way you can control that kinda setup with 6 months of playing experience. Especially since you don’t have a coach. Try some Allround 5 ply blades or maybe a primo off- and get 2 Vega intro or something like that.

Agreed. However, 60-70% is pretty decent considering OP's experience. I think that he would have had the same result with any other setup.
I would stick with Tenergy and slow down the blade to the Allround 5-ply. I rate the TBS at about off- so no need for the Primorac.

 

[Shifu]

TBS at Off- id not correct. It’s an off blade with arylate Carbon, probably the most used composition on the world tour. I can’t see how a blade that is good for tour players can be good for a total beginner.

 

[Tinykin]

TBS runs the gamut from off- to off in my experience over several years with several of these blades.
Sure the pros use TBS with T05 or similar setups. But if us hobby players were sensible we'd all still be using Stiga Allround with MarkV 1.8mm. But where's the fun in that.

 

[eduardo1995filipe]

TBS runs the gamut from off- to off in my experience over several years with several of these blades.
Sure the pros use TBS with T05 or similar setups. But if us hobby players were sensible we'd all still be using Stiga Allround with MarkV 1.8mm. But where's the fun in that.

Depends from the point of view, you could improve your technique with that setup, then gradually change to something faster, or for a different feeling, it depends. In my country, I have a friend that's 18/19 years old, hes a double winged spin based looper, uses a All+ Joola blade with Bluefire M2 2.0 in FH and same 1.8 in Backhand. He's so consistent, he's that player that just wins the point because he'll puts one more ball on the table than you. And I'm sure he has fun to play, but also I think he could change to a faster setup.

 

[Tinykin]

I was being a bit sarcastic towards us amateurs. That is, most of us tend to buy equipment that's flashy but ultimately not great for general improvement.

 

[eduardo1995filipe]

I was being a bit sarcastic towards us amateurs. That is, most of us tend to buy equipment that's flashy but ultimately not great for general improvement.

Sorry, i didn't get it :/ Yeah that's true, and I suffered from that when I started to play eheh

 

[Tinykin]

Depends from the point of view, you could improve your technique with that setup, then gradually change to something faster, or for a different feeling, it depends. In my country, I have a friend that's 18/19 years old, hes a double winged spin based looper, uses a All+ Joola blade with Bluefire M2 2.0 in FH and same 1.8 in Backhand. He's so consistent, he's that player that just wins the point because he'll puts one more ball on the table than you. And I'm sure he has fun to play, but also I think he could change to a faster setup.

Your experience is the same as mine.
I've seen players start out with slow gear and become very good at the sport.
I've seen players start out with fast gear and become very good at the sport.
The things they had in common were; reasonable fitness, good coordination and a great desire to improve.

 

[eduardo1995filipe]

Your experience is the same as mine.
I've seen players start out with slow gear and become very good at the sport.
I've seen players start out with fast gear and become very good at the sport.
The things they had in common were; reasonable fitness, good coordination and a great desire to improve.

Yeah that's important, but start with fast gear would be a bit counter-productive, you always would miss the touch, like for example, if you are right-handed, and you start to train left-handed with a stiga allround classic, maybe you could do a forehand topspin with some training, but with a Viscaria or a TBS it would be more difficult to do that, because you lack the touch you need to play with a blade like that in your left hand

 

[jawien]

I get your sarcasm Tinykin, but seems to me there is precisely more fun with the slower blade. You have more time to move arround, which is fun. At least I get less irritated with them when I miss the shot or block. With slower blades I also almost never blame the equipment for the loss. With i.e. TB Alc the immediate thought aftet the losd is to change rubbers.

 

[brossiah]

Thanks guys for your comments. I ordered an evo MXP.

I'll also do a little training video with the iPong tomorrow so you guys can see / critique my form, maybe gauge my level, etc.

 

[Baal]

You just ordered a rubber that has if anything less margin for error than Tenergy. Not going to help you keeping the ball on the table. Also, there is more to TT than the loop and those things need to be worked on too.

 

[Ivan Muratalla]

Chinese Rubber:
Hurricane 8
Friendship
Skyline 3/60

Tensor
BlueStorm z2 (z1 is fast, really fast), Rakza X (Fang bo use T05 or Rakza for BH), Stiga Mantra

Classic Rubber:
Neottec Hinomi M, Mark V or Xiom Vega Intro

 

[brossiah]

You just ordered a rubber that has if anything less margin for error than Tenergy. Not going to help you keeping the ball on the table. Also, there is more to TT than the loop and those things need to be worked on too.

I would say I am decent at everything else. Of course I'm working on backhand block/push/attack, but I'd like to focus on loop at the moment because it is something I'm weaker in vs everything else. And also it's my play style but I haven't gotten a chance to try many setups.

 

[Shifu]

You probably overestimate your skills and don't know what skills you are missing. I'm not saying you can't hit some loops with a very fast setup, but it's probably that you can't play to the ellbow of the opponent if you want to or keep receives super short and spinny if your opponent got a good service.

There's more than looping and to be honest I don't think there's a way that you're close to the level where that rubber would be beneficial for your game and your development if you only started 6 months ago.

 

[brossiah]

You probably overestimate your skills and don't know what skills you are missing. I'm not saying you can't hit some loops with a very fast setup, but it's probably that you can't play to the ellbow of the opponent if you want to or keep receives super short and spinny if your opponent got a good service.

There's more than looping and to be honest I don't think there's a way that you're close to the level where that rubber would be beneficial for your game and your development if you only started 6 months ago.

You are correct. I probably do overestimate my skills. But I would rate myself around 13-1400. At my club, I've beaten some 1500 players but we play together a lot so we have good ideas of each other's styles. I will definitely participate in tournaments soon to get a foundation of my rating.

And you are correct - I most likely am not using the T05 anywhere near its potential, which is why I'm opting for a different rubber that isn't so expensive.

Also, I didn't "start" playing six months ago. I started playing more seriously six months ago. I was a casual player beforehand [killerspin prebuilt, entry level casual racket], so I kind of knew a little bit but it wasn't until I played at a club where I found out that I wanted to step up my game.

Unfortunately, I don't have time to always play at the club as I am a graduate student, but I play after school for a couple hours with others or with my robot. My school has two decent tables. My weekends are generally reserved for studying or other hobbies that have priority in my life, but I am trying to make more time for table tennis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iy-v2huQvc
That's a video of my first session with my TBS and tenergy rubbers. This is roughly a month after I started playing seriously.
You can see my strokes are pretty much all "power" strokes because my old rubbers had no spin so I had little to no form at all.

From this video, I would say I have improved a lot more, but of course, I'm still a beginner / beginner+. My first partner is around mid to high 1700 level and offered to play defense so I could learn. My second partner isn't rated.