Tenergy05 vs Dignics09c(durability)

[Ash0210]

Sup guys
Recently tried out a Dignics09c on a friends boll alc. Loved it, felt even better on the back hand.No problems playing from mid distance or 3rd Ball attacks from both wings.Forehand was shooting of the end but I only tried it 3 times for an hour each session.Backhand was surprisingly fantastic.
Ive been using tenergies for years and have been quite happy with them but the 09c was something else.how does the durability of T05 compare with 09c?I can push a Tenergy for 8-9 months before it gets eroded completely.

 

[Migzkulit]

Durability goes like this I think.
D05 > T05 > D09c.
It really depends on how sensitive you are to the performance of the rubber.
Since D09c is reliant on it's slight tackiness it may bother you.
Try out someone's setup that has an older 09c, see how it goes.

 

[Ash0210]

Durability goes like this I think.
D05 > T05 > D09c.
It really depends on how sensitive you are to the performance of the rubber.
Since D09c is reliant on it's slight tackiness it may bother you.
Try out someone's setup that has an older 09c, seen how it goes.

The only used 09c ive tried was on a senior players viscaria super alc, very different from my regular viscaria so can't really tell the difference.D05 was a fantastic rubber, got it once for 78usd, loved everything except the short game, pushes were mostly being dumped in the net during critical situations. I know peeps say T05 has one of the worst short games but at least by my technique, my pushes always clear the net, they may overshoot the table but dumping serves in the net was a complete turn off, even after 2 months of intense use.Hence back to tried and tested battle hardened Tenergy.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

T05 and D09c have different durabilities and I think maybe it doesn't make sense to directly compare them to each other. They are both durable in different ways.

D09c is durable in the sense that it lasts a long time without tearing or physically degrading the topsheet. You CAN use it for a long time. However, D09c loses its "boost" within 2-4 weeks of playing, and it will no longer be as springy/spinny.

T05 is less durable in the sense that it tears more easily. But it will play with the same quality as long as you don't tear it.

 

[Ash0210]

T05 and D09c have different durabilities and I think maybe it doesn't make sense to directly compare them to each other. They are both durable in different ways.

D09c is durable in the sense that it lasts a long time without tearing or physically degrading the topsheet. You CAN use it for a long time. However, D09c loses its "boost" within 2-4 weeks of playing, and it will no longer be as springy/spinny.

T05 is less durable in the sense that it tears more easily. But it will play with the same quality as long as you don't tear it.

Loss in speed won't bother me as much as spin and the short game benefit(as they are supposed to be the rubbers real higlights), any methods(illegal probably) to get the tackiness back?

 

[greenbeanmachine]

any methods(illegal probably) to get the tackiness back?

douse your racket with honey

 

[Jslick89]

i'm just a laymen but i find that dignics 09c lasts a lot longer than tenergy rubber. I'm about 7 months in and mine still feels great.

 

[Robin0910]

09c stays grippy longer but it loses its tack in a month. If that doesn’t bother you then go for 09c. Short game is also better

 

[NextLevel]

09c stays grippy longer but it loses its tack in a month. If that doesn’t bother you then go for 09c. Short game is also better

With 09c you can use protector sheets to keep the tack if you care about it. But I have also found that once a rubber is somewhat sticky, even the new Hurricanes, once you keep it clean and take care of it, there is always enough tack for you to tell that it isn't a fast rubber and for me, the less tack but still tack it is, the better it plays. That's 09c, Skyline, Hurricane and Golden Tango for me. There is some mild loss of spring sponge zip but nothing that makes it unplayable unless you rely upon that for your technique. Mine is not that sensitive.

 

[igorponger]

YELLOW BOX.

China national players would discard a lot of rubbers in a week of training. Just due to slight loss of original traction on the rubber surface.

China National Training Center has a yellow box sitting near the change room to collect used table tennis rubbers, they afterwards sharing those second hand materials to school clubs and social facilities. https://www.fppld.org/2021/03/04/have-used-books-dvds-or-cds/

Yes, a crooky China coach is known to get a personal profit from reselling those materials on internet markets. Dont ask me for names, please. 😎

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Yes, a crooky China coach is known to get a personal profit from reselling those materials on internet markets. Dont ask me for names, please. 😎

Can I ask for a website?

 

[Ash0210]

With 09c you can use protector sheets to keep the tack if you care about it. But I have also found that once a rubber is somewhat sticky, even the new Hurricanes, once you keep it clean and take care of it, there is always enough tack for you to tell that it isn't a fast rubber and for me, the less tack but still tack it is, the better it plays. That's 09c, Skyline, Hurricane and Golden Tango for me. There is some mild loss of spring sponge zip but nothing that makes it unplayable unless you rely upon that for your technique. Mine is not that sensitive.

If the 09c can still generate more spin than tenergy05 even after losing its tack im in.
Main reasons i want to switch to 09c is for overall spin and short game control.

 

[NextLevel]

If the 09c can still generate more spin than tenergy05 even after losing its tack im in.
Main reasons i want to switch to 09c is for overall spin and short game control.

Generate more spin depends on what you are trying to do. Short game contril is fairly straightforward. Tenergy 05 has automatic spin and quick ball release and has a spin top end, all tied tonits lower sponge hardness. Dignics 09c will likely spin much better on higher effort shots and allow you to drive and spin (I would argue that T05 hard is probably a fairer comparison to Dignics 09c) but Tenergy 05 spins better on lower effort shorts. Tenergy 05 Hard might be aufficient for what you need but 09c is not bad either.

 

[Ash0210]

Generate more spin depends on what you are trying to do. Short game contril is fairly straightforward. Tenergy 05 has automatic spin and quick ball release and has a spin top end, all tied tonits lower sponge hardness. Dignics 09c will likely spin much better on higher effort shots and allow you to drive and spin (I would argue that T05 hard is probably a fairer comparison to Dignics 09c) but Tenergy 05 spins better on lower effort shorts. Tenergy 05 Hard might be aufficient for what you need but 09c is not bad either.

Spin on max effort shots, never tried an T05 hard so dont know much about. Maybe worth a try as its durability is more or less similar to the regular 05. How does it compare to regular 05?

 

[NextLevel]

Spin on max effort shots, never tried an T05 hard so dont know much about. Maybe worth a try as its durability is more or less similar to the regular 05. How does it compare to regular 05?

The main thing about harder sponge for some players (and I say for some players because somehow other players manage to achieve similar things using different equipment and I am not entirely sure how) is that it doesn't react as much on slower and softer contacts, but when you drive hard, you feel you can spin with thicker contacts. In my personal experience, since I naturally like harder sponge, T05H made more sense to me than T05, which I always felt was too reactive when I just wanted to play a touch shot to return serve and I also felt I could loop drive the ball harder with T05H. But for those low to medium effort spinny shots, T05 is the clear winner so unless you like to force the pace and power consistently in your swings, T05 is easier to play with. The difference between T05H and D09c is largely the difference the mild stickiness makes to the speed and control, in some ways I feel they largely play the same, some shots may just feel safer with D09c but if you are used to a Tenergy, you may not entirely like that sticky safety. Ultimately T05H has the benefits and weaknesses of harder sponge. You have to work harder to play with it on offensive shots, but if your natural instinct is for fast swings, there might be an overall benefit. And for me the fact that players like Lin Yin Ju still use T05H and even Achanta still uses Rasanter R53 instead of the stickier C53 despite pushing short a lot tells me that stickiness isn't everything.

 

[Ash0210]

The main thing about harder sponge for some players (and I say for some players because somehow other players manage to achieve similar things using different equipment and I am not entirely sure how) is that it doesn't react as much on slower and softer contacts, but when you drive hard, you feel you can spin with thicker contacts. In my personal experience, since I naturally like harder sponge, T05H made more sense to me than T05, which I always felt was too reactive when I just wanted to play a touch shot to return serve and I also felt I could loop drive the ball harder with T05H. But for those low to medium effort spinny shots, T05 is the clear winner so unless you like to force the pace and power consistently in your swings, T05 is easier to play with. The difference between T05H and D09c is largely the difference the mild stickiness makes to the speed and control, in some ways I feel they largely play the same, some shots may just feel safer with D09c but if you are used to a Tenergy, you may not entirely like that sticky safety. Ultimately T05H has the benefits and weaknesses of harder sponge. You have to work harder to play with it on offensive shots, but if your natural instinct is for fast swings, there might be an overall benefit. And for me the fact that players like Lin Yin Ju still use T05H and even Achanta still uses Rasanter R53 instead of the stickier C53 despite pushing short a lot tells me that stickiness isn't everything.

Yeah T05 hard feels like a better option as a I am a hard hitter but prefer skinny open ups on the bh side, been checking out T05 hard reviews.Interesting how some of the top pros still aren't caught up in the hybrid hype and prefer setups similar to what they've used for most of their careers.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

In my impression, rubbers like T05 Hard and Stiga Mantra XH play quite similarly to Chinese rubbers, but hybrid rubbers are quite different from Chinese rubbers. As someone who has always used Chinese rubbers, there's something about hybrid rubbers that makes me very uncomfortable -- I think it is the throw angle. But I find it very easy to use non-tacky hard ESN rubbers like T05H and Mantra XH.

I think my next EJ purchase will be a sheet of R53