The best way to play the drop shot off lobs - any experts for ultimate guide?

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So I never used to play drop shots against lobs, because I simply keep the pressure on and vary my smash spin and strength/location until I win - I am very consistent with this.

However, I finally met my match who has a lot of quality, landing deep with a big kick and suddenly it's hard to dominate and my win rate in these rallies went from about 90% down to about 60% and went a lot longer, leaving me exhausted which sometimes affected subsequent points. (win one point and lose next 2 or 3 - hehe)

So I realised that perhaps the drop shot has a role to play after all, not on these deep spinny lobs, but simply to keep them honest and less comfortable in the back (although this guy then gets me with a ridiculously spinny snake that I couldn't handle either - amazing player!)

Nonetheless, I started practicing - but I wonder what is the best way to play this shot!?

Here are some thoughts:

- don't play on super deep balls, as hard to do.
- don't play on super short balls, as hard to do.
- play on balls in middle of table in terms of depth
- play on balls that are easier to reach with forehand side
- try to add sidespin to keep it short
- soft hands (goes without saying)
- hit the ball low right off the bounce to keep it low (goes without saying - I think 😉)


But here is what I am not so sure about:

1.) how should I play flatter lobs vs topsin vs sidespin lobs (these are rarer)
2.) should I do nothing, add underpin or add topsin (along with any sidespin)


I found that for the lobs with more topspin, that adding a little underspin stopped the ball kicking forward too much, but when I saw Ma Lin doing drop shots, it appears he is more often going up on the ball, so adding or going WITH the spin. This makes sense I suppose, because when we keep sidespin serves short, we go with the spin, right!?


Additional challenges:

1.) I must say that I found it harder than I thought to hit the ball off the bounce, especially if the lob is short. Contact is often too high and then the ball drifts long for any easy counter - sometimes I even missed the contact all together - yikes! Any tips?
2.) I have struggled to add the sidespin - should I be moving the blade perpendicular from left to right, or should I try to contact the side of the ball?


Alternatives:

I have seen some people do a drop smash including Craig Bryant the service guy. This looks interesting, a little challenging to say the least. How is this performed? Should you look for a particular type of ball? (spinny or flat, short or long, what height, what angle???) When do you contact the ball and where do you hit it? Is it late on the drop on a shorter ball and then drop smash wide???


Hope we have some drop shot experts who know how to use the technique rather than just having the right feel so some of us newbies can try to emulate the techniques. 🤞🤞
 
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Learn how to smash the ball directly on bounce this puts a lot more pressure on the lobber. Then if you mask your drop shot well the lobber needs to move fast. This is exhausting too. Because of my shoulder I can’t do many high smashes in a row, so I always tries to smash on bounce. It is difficult but very effective.

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There are techniques for doing drop shots with the spin, and techniques for doing drop shots against the spin. There are also techniques for doing drop shots perpendicular to the spin. It's very hard to describe, you just kind of have to get a feel for it by playing. When going with the spin, you have to chop, push, and scoop the ball a bit. When going against the spin, you have to touch it very gently in the opposite direction of the spin directly after the bounce, and let the upward momentum & spin biting the rubber do the work for you.

There's some grey area in what it means to do a drop shot, and there's not a clear line between drop shots and attacking the ball directly after the bounce. I think the skills for doing both of these shots are intertwined with each other, and should be practiced together. Going with the spin gives a kind of chop-block drop shot, and going against the spin gives more of an attacking drop shot.

Additional challenges:

1.) I must say that I found it harder than I thought to hit the ball off the bounce, especially if the lob is short. Contact is often too high and then the ball drifts long for any easy counter - sometimes I even missed the contact all together - yikes! Any tips?
2.) I have struggled to add the sidespin - should I be moving the blade perpendicular from left to right, or should I try to contact the side of the ball?
You need to stay relaxed when counterattacking off the bounce. It doesn't have to be a powerful smash -- the upward momentum of the ball will do a lot of the work for you. Just focus on making contact with good technique.

Adding sidespin is a tricky science. It's easier to do with short pips, which are not affected by spin. If you're using inverted rubber, then you want to touch the ball on one of the "poles" of the rotation. This will cause the least amount of reaction from your rubber. Touching the ball on the side is a tricky science as well, and depends on the direction that the ball is moving in as well as the spin on the ball.

I think equipment plays a significant role in how easy it is for you to do drop shots. Short pips is the easiest to work with, and playing with short pips will do wonders for your drop shots. It might be worth putting some 802 or 802-40 short pips on a spare paddle so that you can learn the feeling. Once you learn it, you can try to implement it with inverted rubber -- it's harder with inverted rubber because inverted rubber is more reactive, but the idea is the same.

If you're hesitant to use pips, then a sticky Chinese rubber is the next best thing. Ma Lin used Skyline 2, and I have to say this is a great rubber for drop shots. Rasanter is not the best rubber for doing drop shots because it is very bouncy and sensitive to spin. I know there good are reasons to stay with Rasanter, but if you really want to improve your drop shot game then it would be a good idea to try a hard non-tensor rubber.

this guy then gets me with a ridiculously spinny snake that I couldn't handle either - amazing player!
If there is one reason to try playing with pips, it is to respond to snakes with a drop shot. This is one of the most satisfying hits to play in table tennis, and your opponent will have no idea what happened. The ball comes back with ridiculous spin and wobble. Highly recommend.
 
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There are techniques for doing drop shots with the spin, and techniques for doing drop shots against the spin. There are also techniques for doing drop shots perpendicular to the spin. It's very hard to describe, you just kind of have to get a feel for it by playing. When going with the spin, you have to chop, push, and scoop the ball a bit. When going against the spin, you have to touch it very gently in the opposite direction of the spin directly after the bounce, and let the upward momentum & spin biting the rubber do the work for you.

There's some grey area in what it means to do a drop shot, and there's not a clear line between drop shots and attacking the ball directly after the bounce. I think the skills for doing both of these shots are intertwined with each other, and should be practiced together. Going with the spin gives a kind of chop-block drop shot, and going against the spin gives more of an attacking drop shot.


You need to stay relaxed when counterattacking off the bounce. It doesn't have to be a powerful smash -- the upward momentum of the ball will do a lot of the work for you. Just focus on making contact with good technique.

Adding sidespin is a tricky science. It's easier to do with short pips, which are not affected by spin. If you're using inverted rubber, then you want to touch the ball on one of the "poles" of the rotation. This will cause the least amount of reaction from your rubber. Touching the ball on the side is a tricky science as well, and depends on the direction that the ball is moving in as well as the spin on the ball.

I think equipment plays a significant role in how easy it is for you to do drop shots. Short pips is the easiest to work with, and playing with short pips will do wonders for your drop shots. It might be worth putting some 802 or 802-40 short pips on a spare paddle so that you can learn the feeling. Once you learn it, you can try to implement it with inverted rubber -- it's harder with inverted rubber because inverted rubber is more reactive, but the idea is the same.

If you're hesitant to use pips, then a sticky Chinese rubber is the next best thing. Ma Lin used Skyline 2, and I have to say this is a great rubber for drop shots. Rasanter is not the best rubber for doing drop shots because it is very bouncy and sensitive to spin. I know there good are reasons to stay with Rasanter, but if you really want to improve your drop shot game then it would be a good idea to try a hard non-tensor rubber.


If there is one reason to try playing with pips, it is to respond to snakes with a drop shot. This is one of the most satisfying hits to play in table tennis, and your opponent will have no idea what happened. The ball comes back with ridiculous spin and wobble. Highly recommend.
agree here
drop shots is a lot more difficult than one seems.
requires training on the touch/control and understanding spin greatly.

and the part about pips
need to watch Adam Bobrow playing against Hua Ping (LYJ's coach at the filming of that video).
Adams lobs was no match to Coaches drop shots
 
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Do this training a lot. Once you did a lot you will unlock this skill.

Side benefit is that your short push level will also significantly go up.
That's awesome. On the high no spin, he just gives it a slight sidespin rub. I think the chopblock or topspin movement is really only needed when there is heavy topspin! Thanks for that one.
 
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That's awesome. On the high no spin, he just gives it a slight sidespin rub. I think the chopblock or topspin movement is really only needed when there is heavy topspin! Thanks for that one.
Yes you just rob momentum to the sides... no need for any fancy chopblock or topspin movement. If you master this, short pushing sidetopspin short serves is no big deal and this is a huge gamechanger at certain levels.
 
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