the rating game

[kukamonga]

rating for these two players?

 

[Gene Tuttle]

rating for these two players?

1500's?

 

[thekleifheit13]

Guy in blue is somewhere around 1700 and red is about 1600 I would say. Red is inconsistent compared to blue but his shots are relatively powerful and spinny. Blue is a safer player and seems to have better feel for spin and variation. If red is having a good day with consistency I would bet his level goes up 100-200 points.

 

[Xylit]

I'd estimate their German TTR around 1550 - 1650 which equals an USATT slightly under 2000.

 

[Boogar]

I'd say the guy in blue has a rating of around 2000 and the red one sligthly lower.

 

[NextLevel]

The guy in blue is over 2200 - how much over, I am not sure. Could be as high as 2400, but I would need to see him play a better opponent.

The guy in red is under 2200 - definitely over 2000 IMO, but not much less if under.

 

[Boogar]

Hmm jea their movement and technique is good. Also the serves look spinny. Hpwever its hard to judge from just one match, maybe the know each other very well and play extraordinary well against each other... just a thougth because they hugged at the end

 

[ttmonster]

I think they are both in the 2300 - 2400 USATT range , due to different skill sets. However, this match up is not the best one to tell their ratings, it seems they play each other all the time

 

[NextLevel]

Hmm jea their movement and technique is good. Also the serves look spinny. Hpwever its hard to judge from just one match, maybe the know each other very well and play extraordinary well against each other... just a thougth because they hugged at the end

Playing well is one thing, but technique does not lie. And other than the inability to read and play the pips ball or return the serve, the player in red did pretty well against balls he read properly.

 

[NextLevel]

I think they are both in the 2300 - 2400 USATT range , due to different skill sets. However, this match up is not the best one to tell their ratings, it seems they play each other all the time

I wouldn't be surprised, but I think one guy is clearly better. And I think the match up is too lopspided for it to be just playing each other all the time.

 

[kukamonga]

Playing well is one thing, but technique does not lie. And other than the inability to read and play the pips ball or return the serve, the player in red did pretty well against balls he read properly.

pips ball?
player in black uses inverted both sides.

 

[NextLevel]

pips ball?
player in black uses inverted both sides.

Yes, I noticed that later - the rubber is not likely to be the same thickness as his forehand. I forget that old school players don't have over the table backhands so I tend to think that they are pushing with pips for some reason. But in any case, he is definitely a class player - amazing touch. Would not be surprised if he was a full pro at some time in his life.

 

[kukamonga]

Yes, I noticed that later - the rubber is not likely to be the same thickness as his forehand. I forget that old school players don't have over the table backhands so I tend to think that they are pushing with pips for some reason. But in any case, he is definitely a class player - amazing touch. Would not be surprised if he was a full pro at some time in his life.

I know what he uses, played him more than once (never in a competition though).
he uses tenergy 25 2.1 both sides.

 

[NextLevel]

I know what he uses, played him more than once (never in a competition though).
he uses tenergy 25 max both sides.

Ahhh... that explains it...

 

[Boogar]

So what is his rating?

 

[kukamonga]

here's another match against a guy with similar level to his.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

There is too much spin and spin deception there for this to be much under 2000. It is obviously a mismatch and the guy in black is very effective at exploiting the guy in red's weaknesses: especially the deep BH vs backspin which also allows black to exploit red's short wide FH also.

I am not really sure of anything but red could be anywhere from 2000-2299 is my guess. Black could be anywhere from 2100-2399.

But, you know what, from a video it is really hard to tell what is really the case. If I found out they were both about 1700 I would be surprised but not too worried about it. And if I found out they were actually 2500 I be surprised but I wouldn't be too worried about that either.

Footwork for red is probably not good enough for over 2300 but good enough to in that range from 2000-2299.


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[NextLevel]

There is too much spin and spin deception there for this to be much under 2000. It is obviously a mismatch and the guy in black is very effective at exploiting the guy in red's weaknesses: especially the deep BH vs backspin which also allows black to exploit red's short wide FH also.

I am not really sure of anything but red could be anywhere from 2000-2299 is my guess. Black could be anywhere from 2100-2399.

But, you know what, from a video it is really hard to tell what is really the case. If I found out they were both about 1700 I would be surprised but not too worried about it. And if I found out they were actually 2500 I be surprised but I wouldn't be too worried about that either.

Footwork for red is probably not good enough for over 2300 but good enough to in that range from 2000-2299.


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Watch the second video - the guy in Black is WAY too good. Would be fun to see him play kowabunga. In any case, I find the U2000 claims interesting. These guys, their serves are easily over USATT 2000. And that is where I usually start. But the touch of the T25 guy, while it is clearly T25 in part, he is just amazingly consistent. And if you have ever used T25, to be able to use it off the table takes a lot of good technique, though the short pushing is extremely heavy and one of the reasons it appeals to players.

 

[yuri.saldon]

I think the man in black is the best!

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[kukamonga]

Watch the second video - the guy in Black is WAY too good. Would be fun to see him play kowabunga. In any case, I find the U2000 claims interesting. These guys, their serves are easily over USATT 2000. And that is where I usually start. But the touch of the T25 guy, while it is clearly T25 in part, he is just amazingly consistent. And if you have ever used T25, to be able to use it off the table takes a lot of good technique, though the short pushing is extremely heavy and one of the reasons it appeals to players.

haven't played him for years but yeah it's a bit confusing, specially the first few times.
the thing is each shot you kind of have to be watching what he is really doing because he hides a lot what he is doing, not only in serves.
I don't remember ever playing a player as deceptive.
even extremely good players, they'll throw bombs or they block to death but it's generally easy to tell what they are doing.

the guy in red I never saw him play but I think he probably looks bad because of the other guy, not because he is that bad.

the other guy in the second video (left handed) is also really good and should beat me.
his game is easy to read but he just goes back and returns everything with semi lob until you miss, super frustrating.