Upgrading from tensor to hybrid rubber

[Mayank_Siddharth]

My current setup is tibhar szochs 1 with Fastarc G1 on FH And Rozena on BH. However. I am thinking of upgrading to a hybrid rubber. Any suggestions here?

 

[jk1980]

Tibhar Hybrid MK would probably be the closest with the least amount of adjustment needed, but be aware that it does not last that long. Durability is worse with hybrids most of the time

 

[Airoc]

Durability is worse with hybrids most of the time

That, and the question why such "upgrade" would be desired.

I´m saying this because the properties can be substantially different and while some people love it regardless of their playing level the opposite can also be true - there are players on low levels who think Hybrid rubbers are their dream come true, and also professionals and semi-professionals who just don´t like them.

So, for me it´s a different path rather than an upgrade. Not that you shouldn´t do it, just curious what drives you.

 

[lodro]

I remember a few months back in a long discussion about the merits of Hybrid rubbers I asked for an actual definition of a hybrid rubber and nobody so far has given us one.

So you got hard sticky rubbers on one side and soft rubbers with trampoline effect on the other right and the hybrid is somewhere in the middle ????
Or is it just a fashion invented by the rubber merchants to sell more rubbers ???

It took me about 2 hours play to adjust from hard sticky chinese rubbers to Rozena but did it improve my game or techniques ??
Of course not 😁

 

[RomanAngerer]

My current setup is tibhar szochs 1 with Fastarc G1 on FH And Rozena on BH. However. I am thinking of upgrading to a hybrid rubber. Any suggestions here?

It's not guaranteed that moving from tensors to hybrids will improve your game. For me, it was the opposite--moving away from hybrids to tensors was a major game improvement, and it's very personal across different players.
Maybe try faster/harder tensors instead?

 

[Airoc]

Or is it just a fashion invented by the rubber merchants to sell more rubbers ???

Basically it is the combination of a topsheet with "Chinese" pimple geometry (mostly to some degree sticky) and a dynamic "Tensor" sponge, to rival a boosted Chinese rubber. Simplified, of course, but this "best of both worlds" approach was sometimes used in the marketing as well.

As on top level boosted H3 is the benchmark, early hybrid rubbers were mostly fairly hard and not easy to play for many. But the trend caught on and soon enough hybrid rubbers with softer sponges appeared.

The closer a hybrid rubber plays to a "normal" rubber, the more some people doubt it is a hybrid at all. Take for example Andro NUZN, which is only slightly sticky, feels more alive than many other hybrids, even more alive than some normal Tensor rubbers, hence the claim "that is not a hybrid" by some people who tried it. Well, Andro disagree ;-)
Yet I have also seen claims that some newly released rubber is a hybrid rubber, maybe because it wasn´t too bouncy, and yet it´s "just" a new normal Tensor.

Maybe you can find some information on what this pimple geometry actually is, it has something to do with the form of the pimples etc., but I am not technically inclined enough to explain.

On the new Omega 8 series, XIOM claim that the Hybrid is
"Hybrid of Tension Rubber & Chinese Sticky" while the China version is
"X FACTOR Sticky for Forehand Drive".
Considering Omegas are manufactured in Germany a "Chinese" rubber doesn´t have to be produced in China. ;-)

Confused?

At the end of the day, a fast sticky rubber can be a fast sticky rubber without being a hybrid, a German rubber that hasn´t too much of a catapult effect can be a hybrid, but doesn´t have to, and so on...
Maybe that´s why most companies have Hybrid in the name of their rubbers. The one that kinda started it all (dignics 09c) doesn´t and the term never appeared anywhere I think, same with NUZN.

 

[lodro]

it is the combination of a topsheet with "Chinese" pimple geometry (mostly to some degree sticky) and a dynamic "Tensor" sponge, to rival a boosted Chinese rubber.

Thanks buddy, I can live with that .
🙂

 

[Mayank_Siddharth]

Basically it is the combination of a topsheet with "Chinese" pimple geometry (mostly to some degree sticky) and a dynamic "Tensor" sponge, to rival a boosted Chinese rubber. Simplified, of course, but this "best of both worlds" approach was sometimes used in the marketing as well.

As on top level boosted H3 is the benchmark, early hybrid rubbers were mostly fairly hard and not easy to play for many. But the trend caught on and soon enough hybrid rubbers with softer sponges appeared.

The closer a hybrid rubber plays to a "normal" rubber, the more some people doubt it is a hybrid at all. Take for example Andro NUZN, which is only slightly sticky, feels more alive than many other hybrids, even more alive than some normal Tensor rubbers, hence the claim "that is not a hybrid" by some people who tried it. Well, Andro disagree ;-)
Yet I have also seen claims that some newly released rubber is a hybrid rubber, maybe because it wasn´t too bouncy, and yet it´s "just" a new normal Tensor.

Maybe you can find some information on what this pimple geometry actually is, it has something to do with the form of the pimples etc., but I am not technically inclined enough to explain.

On the new Omega 8 series, XIOM claim that the Hybrid is
"Hybrid of Tension Rubber & Chinese Sticky" while the China version is
"X FACTOR Sticky for Forehand Drive".
Considering Omegas are manufactured in Germany a "Chinese" rubber doesn´t have to be produced in China. ;-)

Confused?

At the end of the day, a fast sticky rubber can be a fast sticky rubber without being a hybrid, a German rubber that hasn´t too much of a catapult effect can be a hybrid, but doesn´t have to, and so on...
Maybe that´s why most companies have Hybrid in the name of their rubbers. The one that kinda started it all (dignics 09c) doesn´t and the term never appeared anywhere I think, same with NUZN.

Great information here. I used to play with h3 neo oh FH HENCE thinking to make a switch

 

[Mayank_Siddharth]

That, and the question why such "upgrade" would be desired.

I´m saying this because the properties can be substantially different and while some people love it regardless of their playing level the opposite can also be true - there are players on low levels who think Hybrid rubbers are their dream come true, and also professionals and semi-professionals who just don´t like them.

So, for me it´s a different path rather than an upgrade. Not that you shouldn´t do it, just curious what drives you.

I used to play with H3 neo on FH. IT USED to give me immense looping potential in Fh But with nittaku I am kind off missing that feeling

 

[joshmak10]

My current setup is tibhar szochs 1 with Fastarc G1 on FH And Rozena on BH. However. I am thinking of upgrading to a hybrid rubber. Any suggestions here?

I used to play with H3 neo on FH. IT USED to give me immense looping potential in Fh But with nittaku I am kind off missing that feeling

If this is really the case, a hybrid that is slower or softer could be good for you to get the best of both worlds. My Recommendations include Yasaka Rakza Z, Andro Rasanter C45/C48, or Glayzer 09c.