Imo based on what I see no way Tom or Dan is that low.
Using social media, Victor Moraga's rating is currently at 2165. You can check out his YouTube video and his Instagram to see how he plays.
I understand why you said it is pointless, as you require regular play to reduce the inaccuracy.
Beast is rated 2170 im Germany (Q-TTR)- sounds a little too low for me?!
Based on a forum member who shared on OOAK,
Tony, here is the link to the 2023 US Open results. If you click on the event, you can see the results of round robins all the way to single elimination. If you click on the player, you can find out who they won and who they lost to.
Really puts it into perspectiv. I need to add that the lowest number of the leagues are mostly substitute players and that there is a 3. Bundesliga now. So you might need another bracket. You rarely even see 1800+ in the Oberliga and might have to look really hard for them.
I do like this question (one I've asked before), and there really is no good answer.
Don't think my post says or implies that the USA ratings system is in any way broken ... I certainly don't think it is.Using social media, Victor Moraga's rating is currently at 2165. You can check out his YouTube video and his Instagram to see how he plays.
Victor, Anastasiia and Adam have played lots of USATT tournaments with the latter two not playing as much recently so their ratings are pretty accurate.
Craig Bryant played in the US Open 2022 (just one tournament so it is not as accurate otherwise) and came away with a rating of 2400.
Finally Pongfinity did play some friendly matches in Los Angeles two years ago. The matches are on Diego Schaaf's YouTube channel. You can take a look at yourself. Miikka did not play as well as I thought he should, probably due to jetlag.
I know USA does not produce a lot of top players but the ratings system does not seem to be broken.
US Open will be taking place this year in Las Vegas in middle-to-late December. It will be interesting if TTD can send some members there. Better yet, maybe Adam, Pongfinity and TTD can all join and it will be a love fest
IMO, experienced coaches like yourself (or Eli Baraty, etc) can have a look at a player's match video or even just a warmup routine and make a reasonably accurate estimate about the players's level. So perhaps you could reach out to some coaches in Germany and ask what level your players might be in the Germany's TTR system. Another option is entering an open tournament (like GrandPrix used to be in England, there's got to be something similarish in Germany) but that obviously entails travel/accomodation expences, etcI understand why you said it is pointless, as you require regular play to reduce the inaccuracy.
However, there is no ways everyone can be in the US long enough for regular play or for it to balance out.
For me, I am curious on how to work out the bridge between level and various rating points.
Darryl and Sally are 2500 and they train in Taiwan.
Sally trains with the boys team, and she can't beat many of them there, so I would assume the boys are 2500+ too.
Darryl goes and trains with the same team, but not as often as Sally, and also can't beat many of them there. So this doubles my 2500+ guesstimate.
Then, 2023, another 4 boys with an olympian coach went to take part in the US Open.
the 2 stronger boys are all weaker than Sally/Darryl's training partners, but can beat 2400 players in the US Open.
so based on that limited data, I have set strong tier 2 juniors in Taiwan at 2400, strong tier 1 juniors at 2500+
In fact, our strongest U19, is currently WR03, so he is possible 2600+ range
The kid in Austria now, had a close loss to a 2600 US player in a youth competition this year. So again, probably cements my guesstimate.
Otherwise, how else are we suppose to bridge or do level estimates. We can only try and compare
For me, I have been more keen on these estimates, to that of TTR (Germany), as that would help me understand if we are putting players in the correct division or not. Last thing I want, the division is too low.
Luckily with the other thread, we have some USATT/TTR comparison, and I am able to kindof tell from players level and link them to USATT and then try and convert to TTR..... a huge mess, but so far, hopefully not too inaccurate,
I am hoping there is an easier way
yes, someone who knows the German system well can do that, and that is what we are currently doing.
The ELO system is made so that you have your very first ranking after at least 5 games. Your first ranking represent your global performance against your first 5 (or more if you played more than 5 games in your 1st month of competition). And 30 to 40 games after that, your K-factor changes to stabilize your ranking.
In France, 2000+ players all contest in the national leagues, Pro A and Pro B being the place for 2500+ players. Be aware that what you see on Youtube is slower compared to what you would see 1m away from the table.
