What elo rating is TTD and Pongfinity?

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Your estimates are way off, I fear. The numbers would indicate essentially (extended) world class - neither of them are world class (no disrespect meant).
Some of these players play (or have played) in Germany and therefore have a TTR (Table Tennis Rating), which itself is borrowed from the elo system - in other words: TTR and ELO are pretty much the same. I believe that we recently had a similar thread (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...see-elo-ratings-applied-to-pro-players.32882/), in which ttarc also pointed out that TTR and ELO are virtually the same.

Louis Price (Beast) is very likely the strongest one, with a TTR of around 2250 (he recently beat german 2. Bundesliga player Vincent Senkbeil - who happened to play for one of our neighboring clubs when he was a junior - during a Challenger tourney and who has a TTR himself of > 2200.
Tom is still very good, but has lost "recent" matches with Louis (more or less close ones). He did play Regionalliga in Germany some time ago, didn't he? Louis plays at a higher level. I'd say Tom is somewhere between 2100 and 2200.
Mikka is around 2100 TTR currently in Germany (This is from a recent tourney;
). Him and Otto also almost always have close matches when they play each other, so I'd say Otto is around 2100 as well (although I haven't found any official TTR rating for him yet).
I also think that some people underestimate Dan's level. He is certainly a very solid 2000 TTR level player; actually I would put him near Mikka's and Otto's level.
Emil? He is a funny dude, but he is light years away from 2000 TTR (ELO), just like me...:LOL:

Short overview of my (in part) TTR/ELO estimates:
Louis: ≈ 2250
Tom: 2100 - 2200
Mikka and Otto: ≈ 2100
Dan: 2000 - 2100
Emil: < 2000

 
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Your estimates are way off, I fear. The numbers would indicate essentially (extended) world class - neither of them are world class (no disrespect meant).
Some of these players play (or have played) in Germany and therefore have a TTR (Table Tennis Rating), which itself is borrowed from the elo system - in other words: TTR and ELO are pretty much the same. I believe that we recently had a similar thread (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...see-elo-ratings-applied-to-pro-players.32882/), in which ttarc also pointed out that TTR and ELO are virtually the same.

Louis Price (Beast) is very likely the strongest one, with a TTR of around 2250 (he recently beat german 2. Bundesliga player Vincent Senkbeil - who happened to play for one of our neighboring clubs when he was a junior - during a Challenger tourney and who has a TTR himself of > 2200.
Tom is still very good, but has lost "recent" matches with Louis (more or less close ones). He did play Regionalliga in Germany some time ago, didn't he? Louis plays at a higher level. I'd say Tom is somewhere between 2100 and 2200.
Mikka is around 2100 TTR currently in Germany (This is from a recent tourney;
). Him and Otto also almost always have close matches when they play each other, so I'd say Otto is around 2100 as well (although I haven't found any official TTR rating for him yet).
I also think that some people underestimate Dan's level. He is certainly a very solid 2000 TTR level player; actually I would put him near Mikka's and Otto's level.
Emil? He is a funny dude, but he is light years away from 2000 TTR (ELO), just like me...:LOL:

Short overview of my (in part) TTR/ELO estimates:
Louis: ≈ 2250
Tom: 2100 - 2200
Mikka and Otto: ≈ 2100
Dan: 2000 - 2100
Emil: < 2000

Thanks. It sounds like elo is on a different scale from usatt rating?

I just threw out a guess of their usatt rating since thats the scale im used to thinking in.

I dont know how elo relates to usatt actually.

But since world level players like Ma jinbao has a usatt of 2800, I figured Beast might be around 2600?
 
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Since ELO and TTR are essentially the same, you would indeed have to add a few hundred points in order to get a USATT rating estimate. Some players have both a TTR and a USATT rating. It's somewhat personal, but in some cases the difference is "only" 250 points, in other cases it's 500.
If I had to guess the average difference between TTR (ELO) and USATT, I would say it's around 350 - 400 points.
That being said, 2600 - 2650 USATT for Louis sounds about right to me (if we are only looking at the numbers).
I don't know much about Ma Jinbao (almost nothing...). 2800 USATT sounds very high to me. Minus 400 points would put him at 2400 TTR, which is certainly Bundesliga level. My initial thinking would be: If he was really that good, a german pro club would have brought him over here already (see Kanak Jha), or perhaps a french/austrian/belgian etc. club. Has Jinbao ever played in Europe before on a club level?
As I said, I know next to nothing about him and his personal and professional circumstances.
 
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Since ELO and TTR are essentially the same, you would indeed have to add a few hundred points in order to get a USATT rating estimate. Some players have both a TTR and a USATT rating. It's somewhat personal, but in some cases the difference is "only" 250 points, in other cases it's 500.
If I had to guess the average difference between TTR (ELO) and USATT, I would say it's around 350 - 400 points.
That being said, 2600 - 2650 USATT for Louis sounds about right to me (if we are only looking at the numbers).
I don't know much about Ma Jinbao (almost nothing...). 2800 USATT sounds very high to me. Minus 400 points would put him at 2400 TTR, which is certainly Bundesliga level. My initial thinking would be: If he was really that good, a german pro club would have brought him over here already (see Kanak Jha), or perhaps a french/austrian/belgian etc. club. Has Jinbao ever played in Europe before on a club level?
As I said, I know next to nothing about him and his personal and professional circumstances.

Well here is Ma Jinbao vs Lebrun and he went 5 games. He beat some high level players to make the QF as well, but i forgot who.
 
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Here Ma Jinbao beat Kao, who is WR 31. So Ma is a pretty good player
So now I watched the matches vs. Lebrun and Kao.
I agree, Ma is pretty good; in fact he is more than just "pretty good". In the match vs. Lebrun he was clearly outplayed and overpowered in the 2nd and 3rd game and a gap in playing level was visual. In the 4th game Ma was more active again (perhaps Lebrun thought that he had him...) and in the last game Lebrun did what he had to do; he made more quality shots while Ma seemed to have lost some of his focus. Nevertheless Ma confirmed his level by beating Kao, so his match vs. Lebrun wasn't just a fluke.
2800 USATT seems justified. He is better than Price and I would put Ma in the 2300 - 2400 TTR category (closer to 2400). You need to be around 2300 TTR in order to be competitive in Bundesliga play.
The most interesting aspect, though, was to see that Ma uses a straight handle. I didn't expect that.
 
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So now I watched the matches vs. Lebrun and Kao.
I agree, Ma is pretty good; in fact he is more than just "pretty good". In the match vs. Lebrun he was clearly outplayed and overpowered in the 2nd and 3rd game and a gap in playing level was visual. In the 4th game Ma was more active again (perhaps Lebrun thought that he had him...) and in the last game Lebrun did what he had to do; he made more quality shots while Ma seemed to have lost some of his focus. Nevertheless Ma confirmed his level by beating Kao, so his match vs. Lebrun wasn't just a fluke.
2800 USATT seems justified. He is better than Price and I would put Ma in the 2300 - 2400 TTR category (closer to 2400). You need to be around 2300 TTR in order to be competitive in Bundesliga play.
The most interesting aspect, though, was to see that Ma uses a straight handle. I didn't expect that.
There is a local coach in my local area and club who is about 2500 usatt. So maybe he is 2100 TTR and similar level to Mikka.

What TTR would Timo Boll, Ma Long be?
 
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There is a local coach in my local area and club who is about 2500 usatt. So maybe he is 2100 TTR and similar level to Mikka.

What TTR would Timo Boll, Ma Long be?
Of course I don't know the coach. Pointwise it would make sense, but you could probably assess him (i.e. his level) better than me if you see him in person.
As for Boll: If I'm not mistaken, his highest QTTR (TTR over a quarter of a year) was 2678 in 2011, and if Boll is/was 2678 than it would be fair to assume that Ma Long is >2700.
 
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Of course I don't know the coach. Pointwise it would make sense, but you could probably assess him (i.e. his level) better than me if you see him in person.
As for Boll: If I'm not mistaken, his highest QTTR (TTR over a quarter of a year) was 2678 in 2011, and if Boll is/was 2678 than it would be fair to assume that Ma Long is >2700.

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Was at least. Currently (mytischtennis.de -> Andro Rangliste -> all continents) he's at 2700.
Otto is ranked at 2131 QTTR
Miikka at 2126 QTTR
 
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Why is TTR 400 points lower than Usatt?

Shouldn't they all be calibrated together?

And if Boll is 2700 TTR, how can Ma Jinbao be only 2300? Im sure Ma can win matches on Boll sometimes
Elo is meant to give win probability. Any Elo can win against any other Elo. I won again a 2400 MI when I was 1400 Elo. It's a 1% probability, but I made it.
 
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Why is TTR 400 points lower than Usatt?

Shouldn't they all be calibrated together?

And if Boll is 2700 TTR, how can Ma Jinbao be only 2300? Im sure Ma can win matches on Boll sometimes
Quadruple hahahaha.

TTD is Germany, USATT is American... is there some mutually observed fake international God law saying all nations must be the same?

Canada is Canada and their ELO based system is even more extreme on the higher end of amateurs.
 
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Quadruple hahahaha.

TTD is Germany, USATT is American... is there some mutually observed fake international God law saying all nations must be the same?

Canada is Canada and their ELO based system is even more extreme on the higher end of amateurs.
But the Euro players play in America and vice versa. Shouldn't all the ratings converge over time when they play each other enough?

So if Ma Jinbao is 2800 in USATT, but some lowly German guys comes to US and beats him, then Ma Jinbao's rating would decline. and vice versa
 
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Your estimates are way off, I fear. The numbers would indicate essentially (extended) world class - neither of them are world class (no disrespect meant).
Some of these players play (or have played) in Germany and therefore have a TTR (Table Tennis Rating), which itself is borrowed from the elo system - in other words: TTR and ELO are pretty much the same. I believe that we recently had a similar thread (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...see-elo-ratings-applied-to-pro-players.32882/), in which ttarc also pointed out that TTR and ELO are virtually the same.

Louis Price (Beast) is very likely the strongest one, with a TTR of around 2250 (he recently beat german 2. Bundesliga player Vincent Senkbeil - who happened to play for one of our neighboring clubs when he was a junior - during a Challenger tourney and who has a TTR himself of > 2200.
Tom is still very good, but has lost "recent" matches with Louis (more or less close ones). He did play Regionalliga in Germany some time ago, didn't he? Louis plays at a higher level. I'd say Tom is somewhere between 2100 and 2200.
Mikka is around 2100 TTR currently in Germany (This is from a recent tourney;
). Him and Otto also almost always have close matches when they play each other, so I'd say Otto is around 2100 as well (although I haven't found any official TTR rating for him yet).
I also think that some people underestimate Dan's level. He is certainly a very solid 2000 TTR level player; actually I would put him near Mikka's and Otto's level.
Emil? He is a funny dude, but he is light years away from 2000 TTR (ELO), just like me...:LOL:

Short overview of my (in part) TTR/ELO estimates:
Louis: ≈ 2250
Tom: 2100 - 2200
Mikka and Otto: ≈ 2100
Dan: 2000 - 2100
Emil: < 2000

Louis, Tom, mikka and Otto are fine, Dan is nowhere close to 2000. more something between 1800-1900. Emil below 1800.
please be aware that this does not mean Dan or Emil are bad. The vast majority of players in DE is between 1000-1400 points. 1800 equals ~top 5%.
Anyway both do not have any serious chance to against the first 4 players mentioned. If the difference would only be 100 points, they would win every fifth game
 
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Louis, Tom, mikka and Otto are fine, Dan is nowhere close to 2000. more something between 1800-1900. Emil below 1800.
please be aware that this does not mean Dan or Emil are bad. The vast majority of players in DE is between 1000-1400 points. 1800 equals ~top 5%.
Anyway both do not have any serious chance to against the first 4 players mentioned. If the difference would only be 100 points, they would win every fifth game

How would these 2 players do against TTD and Pongfinity?
 
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