Why isn't table tennis equipment produced in the USA?

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Guys, I've been wondering for a long time why table tennis equipment is not produced in the USA? If we list the high-tech centers of engineering and production, for example cars, then there is a European center with some dominance of Germany, a Japanese center, a Korean center, a Chinese center and an American center. All this is clearly comparable to the production of table tennis equipment, except in America. Why?
 
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Guys, I've been wondering for a long time why table tennis equipment is not produced in the USA? If we list the high-tech centers of engineering and production, for example cars, then there is a European center with some dominance of Germany, a Japanese center, a Korean center, a Chinese center and an American center. All this is clearly comparable to the production of table tennis equipment, except in America. Why?
Easy, it is the cost of production. The US is where you want to make high value goods not low cost TT stuff. The US couldn't compete with foreign low cost of labor, lower regulations and LOWER TAXES. I know because my company sell high tech products around the world. There is no way this can be don't selling relatively inexpensive TT gear.
 
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Guys, I've been wondering for a long time why table tennis equipment is not produced in the USA? If we list the high-tech centers of engineering and production, for example cars, then there is a European center with some dominance of Germany, a Japanese center, a Korean center, a Chinese center and an American center. All this is clearly comparable to the production of table tennis equipment, except in America. Why?
Its very complicated.
You have some independent blade makers in the USA, just like many other countries too.
In terms of rubber makers, there is only a handful of company that makes rubbers (Germany, China, Japan, and thats it).
Same with blades, only a handful of them make blades. Many table tennis brands DO NOT make they own rubbers or blades, they outsource them.

You do get USA table tennis brands, like Killerspin and the recently, Joola (it is now an American company)
 
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Easy, it is the cost of production. The US is where you want to make high value goods not low cost TT stuff. The US couldn't compete with foreign low cost of labor, lower regulations and LOWER TAXES. I know because my company sell high tech products around the world. There is no way this can be don't selling relatively inexpensive TT gear.
I don't think that labor is much cheaper in Japan or Germany than in America. Well, the cheapness of goods for table tennis is debatable. There are a huge number of products that are cheaper than table tennis equipment and they are made in the USA.
 
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Its very complicated.
You have some independent blade makers in the USA, just like many other countries too.
In terms of rubber makers, there is only a handful of company that makes rubbers (Germany, China, Japan, and thats it).
Same with blades, only a handful of them make blades. Many table tennis brands DO NOT make they own rubbers or blades, they outsource them.

You do get USA table tennis brands, like Killerspin and the recently, Joola (it is now an American company)
Thanks, Tony, pleased for Joola's company. To be honest, I would really like to see table tennis equipment being produced in the USA. Knowing the Americans, they would definitely come up with something new and unusual.
 
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It is business!
Popularity has nothing to do with it. It comes down to return on investment.
We have a high minimum wage and employees want medical insurance that increases the costs.
Sometimes even getting the right kind of wood is difficult because of import restrictions.
 
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It is business!
Popularity has nothing to do with it. It comes down to return on investment.
We have a high minimum wage and employees want medical insurance that increases the costs.
Sometimes even getting the right kind of wood is difficult because of import restrictions.

BB and Tony correctly point out some nuances and the basic reason:

It is too expensive to make the goods and ship to markets compared to where it is currently being done.
The ROI is not there so no private investor nor VC firm will be willing to throw away resources making a manufacture center for existing brands... and the risk to create a NEW BRAND, build its market and operate is even riskier.

If USA costs to produce were favorable, you would see TT stuff made in USA.

We can get to the complicated things as to WHY the USA has higher production and operating costs. BB correctly articulated a couple aspects, but it is even deeper and more expensive.

Facility: USA costs a LOT more than many places for facilities. Lease and operating costs are not small at all unless the possible market prices for the goods can make it work. There are the obvious fixed and variable costs of overhead and INSURANCE (not cheap)

Laws/Regs/Compliance: There are SO MANY local, state and federal regulation and compliance requirements that make it ridiculous expensive to comply with... other lands do not have it to this extent. Also, construction over-regulation and environment study and such make the cost to make facilities exponentionally higher than needed... plus with few new places made, the existing ones cost more to purchase and operate.

Labor: Leftist organizations have effectively pushed for and gotten higher labor wages in excess of what the market bears. There are additional costs of benefits to employees that you do not see as high costs in places where TT gear is made. These are HUGE costs. Then you have the insurance and payout for workman's comp... An employee can successfully win a case against you complaining that his neck and back hurt from poor workplace design (Enter Sigma 6 consultants) and walk off with big money. You do not have that elsewhere or to this extent.

Legal: In USA, a leftist disguised as someone caring for the environment (but the companies in China pollute the heck outta the environment and use slave labor without penalty)... in USA these leftists can bring a lawsuit to stop building of the facility for YEARS... when the expensive legal process plays out, they will climb up tree on the construction site and delay it years more... then win lawsuits claiming damage... No business will operate in these conditions... that is why businesses are laving California and New York in huge numbers... and when enough leftist move to those states, it will be V2.0 and those businesses move operations out of the country entirely.

Crime: Nearly all USA large cities been run by leftists for decades, very soft on crime, no not hold criminals accountable - it is racist or mean to do so... so criminals see it pays to be a criminal. Other leftists make riots in cities which destroy property (see all that looting and burning down of business on TV over the last few decades?) and the new construction and increased insurance costs make it damn impossible to re-build and operate without large loss. They would also need much higher expense on security... but if security stops thieves, they sue and win court cases claiming the criminal should not have been physically stopped.

This is why in big USA cities you do not see many supermarkets where riots and crime is very high... but the same leftists will gripe that greedy firms are to blame... I do not see Magic Johnson and Snoop Dog investing in city supermarkets, they are both way too wise on the investing of his capital to do that. This is the same concept and operating conditions for a new TT business in USA.

In NYC, car washes used to hire DOZENS of people to hand wash, dry off and finish a car wash. NYC leftists in power made a reg that a car wash needs to pay a huge minimum wage that was WAY HIGHER than what the market demanded, What happened, car washes closed down, or went fully automated... they had to make a capitol investment in machinery, but the ROI was there, since they only had to hire a couple mid managers to operate the show.

RESULT: 90% of car wash employees were out of a job... not what a leftist fights for, but it was expected. Now these displaced car wash employees must work ILLEGALLY out of a van on the street to work in their profession and risk huge fines and harassment for the city. NYC LOVES fining citizens for the max they can get. Ironically, these displaced employees are the very ones they say they serve... even more ironically, the groups of these employees have a long history of voting for and supporting the political left.

This is also pretty much why most of USA manufacturing have moved operations out of USA... leftists and their supporters have gotten majorities in legislature in many urban areas and states from decades ago, whose policies advocated the dynamics of these increased expenses I articulated.
 
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Oh but popularity has everything to do with it. If no one’s knows what it is, why would anyone produce products for it, and how would you produce something you don’t know about? Making a product that makes profit requires understanding of the market you’re trying to enter.
 
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USA table tennis market is actually very small, especially for its population

In Taiwan, where there is a lot more active players than say USA (but only 20 million in total population), there is about 3 "local" brands, of which they are not even in the ranking list.

Table tennis brands/makers have been separated to European (German/Swedish), Japanese and Chinese. Maybe recent the Korean (blades) too.

Basically with DHS and Butterfly being biggest market share, the rest are struggling already.
Yet alone an American brand like Killerspin, who possible fully outsource/subcontract to save on costs.
Just imagine if they make everything in house and say they could get he quality the same or better? (which is very difficult), then the question is, how can they compete in USA against DHS and Butterfly, yet alone the dozen European/ Asian brands?

I think if TT is 100 times bigger in USA, there would be enough market to justify such investment by any American company.
Right now, TT in the USA is just throwing money away - like the new Majoy League Table Tennis league (USD250k donated by the founder)
 
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I think the tabletennis culture is not good enough in the USA. It seems it getting more and more popular? Believe it is more possible in the coming years if the sport keeps growing.
 
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Der Echte and blahness have it right. The others do not.
TT is more popular in Taiwan than in the US but what TT products are made in Taiwan? It isn't about popularity.
Taiwan has some very high tech industries. Why mess with TT products? Local popularity is a false argument because product can be shipped anywhere.

Der Echte brings up another very good but slightly off topic point. Low skill jobs are or going to be replaced by automation. Many of you should pay more attention to that than the myths and opinions you read on this and other forums. Knowing how to automate things will earn one much more money than playing TT. This is a warning but better advice than most of the advice you get here.
 
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brokenball again with his broken theory that he is always right and everyone else disagrees is always wrong.

First of all, no one said popularity is the ONLY factor, it is just part of the problem.

Second of all, just answer this, if a company doesn’t even know the market exists, due to not being popular where the company is located , how would the company even know to produce products to fit the market?

Thirdly, the fact that you always think you’re right is where you’re wrong.

Also, there are quite a few smaller local brands that make products in Taiwan, just because you don’t know about them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Also smaller brands is in comparison to the big ones like DHS or Butterfly. It also doesn’t mean the products are of bad quality or performance. And the fact that you don’t know they exist is the best proof that TT isn’t popular enough in the states for those smaller brands to market their products here. Why would a completely new company even consider to manufacture their products here? Or why would a company that already have an existing production line elsewhere that satisfies the market needs consider building a new production line here?
 
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Der Echte and blahness have it right. The others do not.
TT is more popular in Taiwan than in the US but what TT products are made in Taiwan? It isn't about popularity.
Taiwan has some very high tech industries. Why mess with TT products? Local popularity is a false argument because product can be shipped anywhere.

Der Echte brings up another very good but slightly off topic point. Low skill jobs are or going to be replaced by automation. Many of you should pay more attention to that than the myths and opinions you read on this and other forums. Knowing how to automate things will earn one much more money than playing TT. This is a warning but better advice than most of the advice you get here.
It seems to me that the market is the market and demand creates supply. The fact that the centers of production are located exactly where they are now is due to the past, when the demand for inventory was in these countries in an era without an economy with the ability to ship goods anywhere in the world. And since the demand in the US for inventory is not great, existing manufacturers can still meet this demand. Yes, the cost of production also significantly affects and automation of production can significantly reduce costs, but this is still a consequence, not a cause.
 
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It seems to me that the market is the market and demand creates supply. The fact that the centers of production are located exactly where they are now is due to the past, when the demand for inventory was in these countries in an era without an economy with the ability to ship goods anywhere in the world. And since the demand in the US for inventory is not great, existing manufacturers can still meet this demand. Yes, the cost of production also significantly affects and automation of production can significantly reduce costs, but this is still a consequence, not a cause.
There's also a significant first mover's advantage. Any new entrant to the market would be facing a significant technological disadvantage compared to the incumbents (DHS, Butterfly, Tensor), unless they come up with something groundbreaking that disrupts the market.
 
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brokenball again with his broken theory that he is always right and everyone else disagrees is always wrong.
Has anybody on this forum made a product that they sell world wide?
How many of you have created a company that has lasted 40+ years?

Second of all, just answer this, if a company doesn’t even know the market exists, due to not being popular where the company is located , how would the company even know to produce products to fit the market?
That would be a good question but everybody knows about table tennis.
Why don't the major TT companies make their products in the US? They can be made here and shipped elsewhere.
We make our product in the US and ship all over the world. Again, our product is relatively high tech and expensive.
Also, sometimes you need to create or find the market and sometimes the market finds your product and uses it for purposes the you never thought of when originally doing the design. The main thing is to stay in business long enough so you find the market or the market finds you.

Thirdly, the fact that you always think you’re right is where you’re wrong.
Again, what experience do you have at making a product that gets sold world wide?
I/we have been very successful.
The average company on the SP 500 lasts 21 years have lasted 40+ years. We must know something about making a high tech product and marketing it around the world.

Also, there are quite a few smaller local brands that make products in Taiwan, just because you don’t know about them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Obviously they haven't got around to marketing world wide. There will always be minor players. I wonder if the people that make Valor Table Tennis products in the US do it full time or is it just a passion. So there is some TT equipment made in the US. In any case it doesn't answer the original question about why TT equipment isn't made in the US on a large scale.

Also smaller brands is in comparison to the big ones like DHS or Butterfly. It also doesn’t mean the products are of bad quality or performance. And the fact that you don’t know they exist is the best proof that TT isn’t popular enough in the states for those smaller brands to market their products here.
Wrong! It means those unknown TT companies in Taiwan don't market in the US.
We market around the world. The next international trade show will be the Hannover Messe.
That is a huge trade show where people come from all over the world to see what is new or can be used in their business.
Before covid there were large trade shows in Shanghai too that we would show our products.
We can do that because our products are relatively expensive compared to TT products.
Again, it doesn't answer the OP's original question.
I don't know of any TT trade shows.

Why would a completely new company even consider to manufacture their products here?
Because we have access to high tech things. Some countries like India have huge import duties even on high tech items. China is a little smarter. They have different rates on their tariffs depending on what the country needs.

Or why would a company that already have an existing production line elsewhere that satisfies the market needs consider building a new production line here?
A good example is the auto industry. Japanese automakers have plants in the US but then cars are expensive items and a lot of it is automated. Cars are also expensive to ship. So why don't Japanese, Chinese and even German companies make their TT equipment in the US. I think that answer has been given.

Don't you get it Blahness got it right. Why would anyone mess with TT products when they can make and sell high tech things?
 
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I think the tabletennis culture is not good enough in the USA. It seems it getting more and more popular? Believe it is more possible in the coming years if the sport keeps growing.

It is still however extreme geo locked to few areas and with primary the Chinese and Indian American communities.
I believe they need to get it into the education system and become a school sport in elementary school. That is the only way how sports can get big, not by private clubs (if you take those 100 full time centres and make it 1000, you still can't beat the numbers of 10% of say 65000 elementary schools having some table tennis program/team)

if 6500 schools have table tennis, this create employment for 6500 coaches and with 10 to 20 kids per school (convervative number, Taiwan has schools with 50 to 80 kids in the TT program), that is a whopping 65000 ~ 130000 kids and would instantly make USA one of the biggest market on the planet

Also, difference with club vs school. School you have new recruits every year (4 million born every year in the USA).
Clubs, the players would stay on for years, school, new kids comes in every year.
 
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