Yinhe Big Dipper 38 deg (1st version) spin capabilities?

[h3llary]

Can anyone who has played with big dipper 1st version 38 or 39 degrees compare it to older rubbers like Vega Pro, Rakza 7, Fastarc G1 in terms of spin producing? I tried to look info online but couldn't find anything. I had Rakza 7 and it was okay but it didn't seem particularly spinny rubber to me but a lot of people compare BD to H3Neo, saying it produces almost the same spin so I was curious if it is comparable to older gen rubbers or ESN tensors like T05.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Can anyone who has played with big dipper 1st version 38 or 39 degrees compare it to older rubbers like Vega Pro, Rakza 7, Fastarc G1 in terms of spin producing? I tried to look info online but couldn't find anything. I had Rakza 7 and it was okay but it didn't seem particularly spinny rubber to me but a lot of people compare BD to H3Neo, saying it produces almost the same spin so I was curious if it is comparable to older gen rubbers or ESN tensors like T05.

Its spinnier than those mentioned because its tackier and harder

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

This is where comparison is close to useless on forums, especially listing comparisons in general and without taking into account literally every single factor that makes a big different.

From my perspective, Vega Pro, G1 and Rakza 7 is way more spinner than Big Dipper 1.

The only part I will rate BD as a spin threat is on serving and service return, and that is all.
It is not spinny enough to be a Chinese spinning rubber.

For ones who knows how to use medium hard ESN rubbers, my money is on those players to outspin a BD user any day.

If BD can up its top sheet spin capability, it could be a rubber that could make some noise. Other than that, it is okay for its price and that is about it.
BD is a nice and cheap rubber to try out. It is not a god-like equipment that this forums sees it to be. I started this hype many years ago, but since then, maybe more hybrids has arrived. IE, Vega China is way better than BD if you wanted to compare in the Xiom Vega series (age) of rubbers

 

[Mionixxd]

Big dipper is a difficult rubber to play with compared to rakza 7, vut when you hit a clean shot with big dipper you get so much spin, that of course depends on your technique but I get more spin with big dipper than rakza 7.

 

[Attitude]

First of all you are comparing a budget rubber to mostly intermediate to higher level rubbers.

Second the possibility of getting a trashcan instead of a rubber is not that low with bd. Batches differ up to a huge margin.

So to compare it anyway because i played all of them.
In every scenario the following rubbers have way more spin capabilities than bd:
- T05, H3neo, fastarc g1

- Rakza 7 and vega pro might have some issues to perform on the same level in serves and in touchplay compared to bd which is damn easy to use in these scenarios.

That doesnt mean R7 and vp cant perform on the same or higher level as bd, it is just harder to get high quality shots in mentioned scenarios.
In normal drives, loops, flips, topspins and so on they outperform bd in every aspect

 

[h3llary]

Thank you all for answering, I think I've made my decision to stick with tensors/old gen rubbers for now. If it was obvious that BD would beat Rakza 7 type of rubbers by a big margin then I would switch to it, if not, I guess it doesn't make sense to downgrade, especially if it's harder to play with/produce spin from low quality shots.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Thank you all for answering, I think I've made my decision to stick with tensors/old gen rubbers for now. If it was obvious that BD would beat Rakza 7 type of rubbers by a big margin then I would switch to it, if not, I guess it doesn't make sense to downgrade, especially if it's harder to play with/produce spin from low quality shots.

Yes Rakza 7 is easier to play with and for most players they would play better with it.

BD is less forgiving, but has more offensive potential when properly unleashed, especially boosted. It produces a loud satisfying sound, and feels awesome to use when done right.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Thank you all for answering, I think I've made my decision to stick with tensors/old gen rubbers for now. If it was obvious that BD would beat Rakza 7 type of rubbers by a big margin then I would switch to it, if not, I guess it doesn't make sense to downgrade, especially if it's harder to play with/produce spin from low quality shots.

you can consider Vega Pro and G1
These have way more offensive potential than Big Dipper.

There is a big reason why BD has very little market share in Asia, while G1 is huge in 2 of the 4 Top Asian countries (talking top 5 or top 10 seller over the whole market) while Vega Pro is just behind this (in maybe top 10~top 15), Vega Pro in recent years have also been Xiom's top selling rubber.
Big Dipper is.... bottom 5

G1 is actually very underrated, I think outside Asia, there have very little presence. But the rubber is actually really good and balanced.
Most unsponsored players (I would say 70%) of the premier division high school players (females) in Taiwan uses G1 on FH (I spend time in 3 of the top 8 schools, 2 of which are no 1 and no 2).
Nittaku is cheap and quality is great (1 Tenergy = 2.5 x G1). They change every 2 months or so and girls don't have the power that require harder sponges.
Based on USATT rating, these girls are between 1800 to 2500.

 

[hclnnkhg]

you can consider Vega Pro and G1
These have way more offensive potential than Big Dipper.

There is a big reason why BD has very little market share in Asia, while G1 is huge in 2 of the 4 Top Asian countries (talking top 5 or top 10 seller over the whole market) while Vega Pro is just behind this (in maybe top 10~top 15), Vega Pro in recent years have also been Xiom's top selling rubber.
Big Dipper is.... bottom 5

G1 is actually very underrated, I think outside Asia, there have very little presence. But the rubber is actually really good and balanced.
Most unsponsored players (I would say 70%) of the premier division high school players (females) in Taiwan uses G1 on FH (I spend time in 3 of the top 8 schools, 2 of which are no 1 and no 2).
Nittaku is cheap and quality is great (1 Tenergy = 2.5 x G1). They change every 2 months or so and girls don't have the power that require harder sponges.
Based on USATT rating, these girls are between 1800 to 2500.

The fact that Yinhe has >4 variants of BD doesn't help either... same story with their Apollo rubbers. Very confusing