Hybrid rubber comparison (and durability)

[Walalang]

Just curious, to those who use those top and famous hybrid rubbers. How good are the durability. Mostly thinking about xion C55, donic bluegrip J and C series, yasaka rakza series, stiga dragongrip and more others. Just a bonus, how do they compare to the bty tenergy 05

 

[SFF_lib]

Just curious, to those who use those top and famous hybrid rubbers. How good are the durability. Mostly thinking about xion C55, donic bluegrip J and C series, yasaka rakza series, stiga dragongrip and more others. Just a bonus, how do they compare to the bty tenergy 05

C55 is not worth it, early sign of losing grip after 2 months. K3 is also bad

Compare to t05 is unfair, it's a 2008 product with very fragile topsheet. The only hybrid made by bty is D09C or G09C.

Idk why most people ignore Xiom Vega China. It's a very durable hybrid, topsheet slightly more sticky than most hybrid. dangerous spin and responsive 55 sponge at $35USD. The best value in all hybrid.

 

[IB66]

O8 China and Hybrid have better top sheet durability compared to J&H H52,
J&H H52 marks up where ball contact happens the most resulting in a slippy patch, which can’t be rejuvenated by cleaning. I’ve heard the same happens with C55, but I don’t have any experience with C55.

Tau 2 is extremely durable, retains tack after months / years!! although reduced compared to a new sheet. I have some sheets of Tau 2 that are at least 18 months old, they have as much tack as a new sheet of H52 / O8C/H !!!

I was disappointed with Stiga dragongrip (at the time I preferred more tackiness) just didn’t feel it was ‘better’ than equivalent / similar rubbers available.
Bluegrip C1 and C2 (which are likely to be the same rubber as) Xiom O7 China Ying/Guang we’re pretty good, but again didn’t have the tackiness I wanted back then.

Rakza Z & Z EH have more tackiness, which lasts longer (similar to Tau 2) and have good durability as well.

The semi tacky Joola rubbers Dynaryz whatever are basically similar to the Donic rubbers as is the Tibhar K3.

You have to remember that any ESN manufactured hybrid is likely to be the same product sold by multiple brands!! If not the same a MINIMAL change in recipe!!

There is definitely a durability difference between the J&H series and the O8 series, which is a little confusing because I though the top sheet tech is the same but with different sponges? - perhaps I have this wrong?

 

[merlin el mago]

What about Rakza Z & Z EH speed compared vs TGY05 (more BTY speed rebound) or D05 (less BTY speed rebound)?

 

[Airoc]

You have to remember that any ESN manufactured hybrid is likely to be the same product sold by multiple brands!! If not the same a MINIMAL change in recipe!!

Very likely true for some, not so easy to spot, though.

There are various recipes, so one Yasaka might resemble a BlueGrip, one Joola might feel close to a BlueStar, and so on. The newest BlueGrip J rubbers are "hybrids of hybrids", mixing BlueStar topsheet with BlueGrip C sponge (while BlueGrip S series uses older sponges of Acuda rubbers).

Chances are there are similar rubbers, but it´s not like in the early Tensor days anymore, when every brand would release their (minimally changed or identical) version of the same recipe at the same time, sometimes at least varying sponge hardnesses or colours, not just names

On the subject, claimed by andro and confirmed by nearly anyone who bought one, NUZN rubbers excel in durability compared to other hybrids

 

[merlin el mago]

What about spin & speed of NUZN compared vs TGY, Dignics or H3?

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

To me, NUZN 55 feels like a nice in-between of Dignics 09C and 05. Harder than 05, softer feeling than 09C. Bouncier/faster than 09C, slightly more grip than 05. My max sheet was 75.71g uncut and the weight can be felt. Good speed and arc, felt nice overall. Haven't played with it that much yet though.

 

[merlin el mago]

When you said 05 is Tenergy or Dignics?

 

[haggisv]

On the subject, claimed by andro and confirmed by nearly anyone who bought one, NUZN rubbers excel in durability compared to other hybrids

I've heard similar claims about the Donic J series, I wonder if they're similar in that respect?

 

[Doralikesmath]

I have used D09C, H52.5, and J1, all on BH side. In term of durability, D09C easily beats the other two, still remains playable after 200 hours of playing. J1 lasts considerably longer than H52.5 as well. Somewhat related, the sponges of J1 and H52.5 are weirdly hard to remove the glue from, which is another cons for me.

 

[IB66]

Very likely true for some, not so easy to spot, though.

There are various recipes, so one Yasaka might resemble a BlueGrip, one Joola might feel close to a BlueStar, and so on. The newest BlueGrip J rubbers are "hybrids of hybrids", mixing BlueStar topsheet with BlueGrip C sponge (while BlueGrip S series uses older sponges of Acuda rubbers).

Chances are there are similar rubbers, but it´s not like in the early Tensor days anymore, when every brand would release their (minimally changed or identical) version of the same recipe at the same time, sometimes at least varying sponge hardnesses or colours, not just names

On the subject, claimed by andro and confirmed by nearly anyone who bought one, NUZN rubbers excel in durability compared to other hybrids

Looks like ESN have tweaked the top sheet formulas in the latest Gen rubbers - more durability for Nunz, & O8 series, are Bluegrip J series better as well?

 

[andzejgolot]

I Heard that dna hybrid from Stiga Has good durability but price is really close to dignics

 

[KM1976]

Anyone tried Yasaka Shining Dragon II or Rising Dragon II? It would be great to get some feedback on how these rubbers perform on the forehand? I tried using Rakza 9 on forehand but due to very low throw it was a very difficult rubber to use.

 

[SlowPower]

Nuzn topsheet just wont die. But the sponge has to be retuned after a while...

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

Both NUZN 55 and J1 Max feel quite nice for serving, something quite supple about the J1

for ref: have these on backup HTSALC 92g. my J1 was 71.2g uncut - this blade was 188.88g with 09c 2.1 both sides (on for awhile tho), with J1/N55 its 198.21g. you can feel it

 

[ToH]

Anyone tried Yasaka Shining Dragon II or Rising Dragon II? It would be great to get some feedback on how these rubbers perform on the forehand? I tried using Rakza 9 on forehand but due to very low throw it was a very difficult rubber to use.

In my oppinion, Yasaka Shining Dragon 2 is a very good rubber. Compared to DNA Hybrid M and Nuzn 48 it is slower with better control. Its easy to create good spin.

 

[kapahoo]

Nuzn topsheet just wont die. But the sponge has to be retuned after a while...

Aren't most ESN made rubbers like that?

 

[SlowPower]

Which esn topsheet doesn't die as well?

 

[kapahoo]

Which esn topsheet doesn't die as well?

I meant that the sponge dies before the topsheet. But I havent really used ESN rubbers in a while so it might have changed.

 

[Airoc]

Which esn topsheet doesn't die as well?

Fairly easy to answer, just look at the direct competition. K3 quickly looks and not much later is unplayable at any level more than basic. The ones I get handed down are ok for my purposes, but didn´t last the original owner long. No such complaints from NUZN players, hence no handed down NUZN